Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (USE SPOILER TAGS!)

[rickah88]

Hmmm, Lucas bashing...how original.

[mrpink134]

Originally Posted by rickah88

Hmmm, Lucas bashing...how original.

Trolling! How Original! Go back into your gave little boy

I posted the pic because it was funny, no need to bash Lucas now sense he is gone

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by Ryan0503

Disney also owns ABC and ESPN ... both company's still operate as their own company

Of course. But when ESPN management makes bad decisions, the boot comes down. Disney is the Boot. Same thing with ABC. Of course they "operate as their own identity". I don't think most Americans know the revered "Monday Night Football" is owned by Disney. I don't think most Americans know "Shakespeare in Love" and "The English Patient" were Disney properties. Pretty sure that's how they'll handle things with LucasFilm. Disney isn't going to throw people from Lucas' organization out into the street. But they will consolidate eventually. Why wouldn't they? Why wouldn't you? Skywalker Ranch is prime studio space, but Disney doesn't need it to make Star Wars films.

[Duffy12]

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From Marketsaw

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Friday, November 02, 2012

EXCLUSIVE: More Secret Details Revealed From My Original STAR WARS Source! SKYWALKER Returns Again!!


Ok guys, by now you know of my history with this particular source and the stellar information that has been given us about STAR WARS way back in 2009. We remain in touch to which I am deeply grateful. Again this source has spoken up about what we can now expect from the Disney / Lucasfilm tandem in the coming years, and it is all very, VERY exciting.



Here is what my source has told me, some segments and some word for word, from his email I just received:

"Disney now has the power to make STAR WARS films, and everything else in the Lucasfilm archives. The movies I told you about are indeed the primary focus. Luke Skywalker is a primary focus, as are many of the original trilogy cast. Disney also realised that George Lucas and STAR WARS are one and the same, so George will certainly have a voice on any angle taken, in fact I believe it's one of many stipulations. However he will no longer have creative control, and as I said before George was already looking at other creative talents to bring his canon to life back before Disney and Lucasfilm really started negotiating (or at least to the best of my knowledge)..."

"Way back when I told you about the new movie trilogy planned, I never explained to you that they were being rewritten from previously secret drafts from way back during the making of the original trilogy. The main problem was the age of the cast, and the tone of the story. Now I do believe that Walt Disney intend on playing to the cultural significance of that original trilogy. You will see a tone more in line with the original trilogy, and specifically featuring that cast, if everything shakes out as intended. Which it will, I promise you.

You can expect to hear more news on the live action TV show in the near future, as the scripts already written will be absorbed in some way into a TV format. The nature of the show and the technical requirements needed to meet a TV budget and schedule are pretty ambitious. Basically they are 45 minute long feature films. With concepts that are very ambitious and the fact that it focuses on characters that are not known and are completely different to what people may have in mind about a STARWARS TV show. This was the problem at the time, and I am pretty sure this is still a problem. At least on the live action front. I am told that soon there will be some kind of material released relating to shot footage and tests on that concept. So look out for that.



A NEW DAWN.

I don't believe the empire was completely destroyed by the end of Return of the Jedi.

Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, Chewbacca, Princess Leia, C3PO and R2D2 are I am assured to feature prominently in the new trilogy, as was always the idea. Apparently some have already been approached. Quite a while back too to my understanding. Hamill is a certainty.

There are two trilogies planned, all following an original overview by Lucas, which was always planned as a multi generational saga. Movies 10 - 12 are from my understanding about the offspring of the Skywalkers, set many years later with the surviving cast playing much older versions of themselves and featuring a female protagonist named Skywalker. This is something that I understand is being discussed as the latest trilogy may end up being an amalgamation of the two using themes and ideas from both, but still keeping the general story, also allowing for continuity of cast.

The movies from what I understand will adopt the Harry Potter model, and will be aggressively brought to the forefront of popular entertainment once again with consistent installments. This is just for starters though, especially for those who hold the original trilogy in high regard, they should be happy. You can expect lovingly restored prints of the original trilogy to surface in the near future. That's a no brainer. I along with the rest of the world want those movies in their original glory. Disney are all over that, believe me.

From my understanding the movies that follow will be far more in line with the original trilogy in regards to tone and method, and from the few names I have heard being banded around I am very excited, as they are all choices that I think people will get behind.

- Steven Speilberg, who may actually get to direct his episode of STARWARS after all.

- Neil Blomkamp, District 9, Elysium.

- Alfonso Cuarón, Children of Men, Gravity (which is a masterpiece by the way) When I was told this name, I said that's the guy.

- Matthew Vaughn. Kick Ass, First Class.

- Darren Arnofsky, The Fountain, Noah. (very popular candidate) and has been for a while.

- Joss Whedon. Serenity, The Avengers. That could work as Joss is currently overseeing Marvels next onslaught under the Disney Banner, but don't hold your breath for a directing gig for many years down the line. He may well have his part to play though ;-)

So very exciting times ahead if you are a STARWARS fan, and especially if you are an original trilogy fan.

Watch this space."



WOW. VERY interesting!! HUGE opportunities for the franchise and look at the names being considered at the top of Lucasfilm!

You can count of this information as being 100% accurate as of NOW. Of course things can change over time, but the main thrust remains - just look at the info given to us 3 years ago - it all still happened: Next trilogy in 3D in development and Lucas not directing.

So you can discount those rumors of a complete detachment from the original trilogy with the sequels 7, 8 and 9... and even 10, 11 and 12 with the second generation of Skywalkers! Stay with the best source for STAR WARS information on the interwebs today: MarketSaw!!

More the second I get it!

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[mrpink134]

Wow!! I love the fact that the UOT will be released

[Beast]

Originally Posted by mrpink134

Wow!! I love the fact that the UOT will be released

I wouldn't count that particular chicken until the egg has hatched. Especially from some unsubstantiated rumor.
Which reads like it's simply a collection of the various rumors and known information about what's planned.

Especially when the rumor monger uses words like "That's No Brainer". It's less actual info and more educated guessing.

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

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From Marketsaw

So, Marketsaw can make the exact same wishful blue-sky guesses we've been making ("Wow, Spielberg will direct, and Disney will make the UOT reappear from ashes!"), only they print it and now it's fact?

...Yyyyeah.
Even Disney doesn't know what they'll do with them yet--I don't think I'll create reality with the power of my mind, just yet.

[Angel Eyes]

Great News indeed, in fact hearing the news that the OUT will be released in 1080 is the most important thing to come out of this sale. Even more important than carrying on with the series.

[mrpink134]

Originally Posted by Beast

I wouldn't count that particular chicken until the egg has hatched. Especially from some unsubstantiated rumor.
Which reads like it's simply a collection of the various rumors and known information about what's planned.

Especially when the rumor monger uses words like "That's No Brainer". It's less actual info and more educated guessing.

Well I think Disney will release it by time the new movie comes out. Yes I know Fox has distribution rights but Disney will still make money. Don't forget Paramount has right to Avengers. I have to ask do you want the UOT to be released or no? It seems like you don't want it released.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by mrpink134

Well I think Disney will release it by time the new movie comes out. Yes I know Fox has distribution rights but Disney will still make money. Don't forget Paramount has right to Avengers. I have to ask do you want the UOT to be released or no? It seems like you don't want it released.

They have no rights to release it. Fox owns distribution rights for A New Hope in perpetuity. And the other films til 2020.

So yeah, it'll require playing ball with Fox. So there's no real guarantee of it happening anytime soon. Especially given the work that needs done.

And frankly? No... I don't really care if the UOT is ever released. I have my copies on Beta, VHS, Laserdisc, and DVD. Never watch them.

I'm just stressing for now that nobody should assume and expect that this is going to get them the UOT anytime soon.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by Nicky and Sue

I don't think you understand your own opinion is two yards from crazy. And you hardly understand a public entity like Disney....No way are they going to "fire" Kathleen Kennedy. Are you literally mentally challenged? They just publicly greenlit 3 films (minimum) with her, one of the most powerful and successful producers in history in charge. You can't walk back from that even if you "wanted to" (which there is no reason they would want to..)

You are acting as though they would strip Lucasfilm down (ignoring the lucasfilm culture that already exists and works) and just integrate star wars property into primary Disney corporate structure. If you really believe that is realistic? I'm upgrading you to two feet from crazy

BTW...Lucas downgraded himself, and you say it as though Disney denied him more power when its been said he is in retirement. When someone is a president of a company and retires they often consult and sit on the board. That doesnt translate to "the company wants them to have almost no power" Sigh..

Well...the fact in any acquisition is that sometimes they work and sometimes they don't, frequently depending upon how much corporate interference there is, differences in corporate culture and the egos of those involved. Yes, Kathleen Kennedy is the President of Lucasfilm and will be around for a while but in the end, it's Disney's company and they will do what they want. If Kathleen is successful for Disney, no problem. But if she's not (and this would be down the road), she'll be out. Just look at what happened between Miramax and Disney. In her favor, Iger seems like a guy who holds his ego in check and tries to work through differences - that's how he wound up acquiring Pixar from Steve Jobs, who was ready to find a new distributor for Pixar films.

Secondly, senior corporate executives (and I've been an executive at three different media companies) really only do two things: they either centralize or they de-centralize. With Lucasfilm, it can go either way. Down the road, there could be a fight between executives for power and they could decide to merge Marvel and Lucasfilm. Disney just had their best year in history, so no problem in the short term. But if things turn sour, you can expect changes. My bet is that ILM and Skywalker Sound get sold or spun off within five years because generally, these types of organizations are not big money makers. They were important to Lucas because he wanted to control everything, but in today's films, there are so many special effects that they usually have to be farmed out to multiple effects houses anyway. While it's nice to have these things in-house, there's a very large cost base that needs to be supported to keep these organizations going.

There is one thing about all this that disturbs me: a two year schedule for each new Star Wars film makes business sense, but it might be too intensive a schedule to produce real quality. Although technology has changed drastically since the original trilogy, they were produced on a three year schedule as was the prequel trilogy. These are complex films with huge sets (whether practical or virtual) and tons of special effects. Forcing them to release every two years might produce junk.

[mrpink134]

Originally Posted by Beast

They have no rights to release it. Fox owns distribution rights for A New Hope in perpetuity. And the other films til 2020.

So yeah, it'll require playing ball with Fox. So there's no real guarantee of it happening anytime soon. Especially given the work that needs done.

And frankly? No... I don't really care if the UOT is ever released. I have my copies on Beta, VHS, Laserdisc, and DVD. Never watch them.

I'm just stressing for now that nobody should assume and expect that this is going to get them the UOT anytime soon.

Yes Fox owns the rights but it can still be released by Fox and Disney. Just Like the Avengers with Paramount. I don't expect the UOT soon but I do think they will be out by 2015 along with the new movie.

[Nicky and Sue]

Originally Posted by supersix4

Creating something only gets you so far, and had he still had a controlling interest in the franchise they'd be forced to work with him, but he doesn't and I doubt they'd have bought say a 49% share in it. He turned over the keys and if they take his idea's it'll be nice for him, but trust me that kind of catering will only go so far when you spend the kind of money Disney did.

I don't trust you, and pretty glad you aren't in control

You'd want to be a Disney exec with money on the mind and produce something Lucas fought against, ignore his treatments and make decisions that go against Kathleen Kennedy (who is in GL corner on this transition), and see those decisions fail?? That person would have to resign.

It's more likely they allow Lucasfilm to stay the course of Kennedy being in charge of producing a product that Lucas has passed on (treatments, notes), which by the way is what has been stated publicly by all parties. In reality more people would be worried if lucas had nothing to do with it.

Resting on the whole (well its Disneys property now) to suggest Lucas and Kennedy will have their contributions set aside once the movie is nearing is very out of touch with what history will prove.

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by Nicky and Sue

I don't trust you, and pretty glad you aren't in control

You'd want to be a Disney exec with money on the mind and produce something Lucas fought against, ignore his treatments and make decisions that go against Kathleen Kennedy (who is in GL corner on this transition), and see those decisions fail?? That person would have to resign..

You should I have plenty of family members on top company boards, in EVP/SVP spots you seem to put too much stock into creating something... Even if it bombs (which Phantom sucked and it didn't) they'll simply go through the motions till they get it right, which is why its good. If Lucas had laid an egg on his own he might have packed his toys up and never done another one. That won't happen with disney.

[Breather]

Originally Posted by Beast

I'm just stressing for now that nobody should assume and expect that this is going to get them the UOT anytime soon.

I think they'll come out eventually. If I had to guess, I'd say 2.5-5 years. I don't think their release is a certainty, as you stated it was the other day, but I think it will happen eventually.

[AmrlKJaneway]

Originally Posted by Nicky and Sue

I'm suprised no one has mentioned this..

The second the episode 1-6 3D conversion was announced was a stealthy tip off new movies were coming!

Think about it.. George knew that any future SW movies would be made for 2D and 3D, either by native or conversion at theatrical.

So he made sure 1-6 would also be in 3D optional for years to come. Remaining consistent with new features.

3D haters in this thread will play down the importance of films being in 3D, but since big spectacles are being made for 3D in hollywood now, and not some little phase like people biasly lament (its here to stay); really this was an imminent sign new star wars movies were going to exist.

2 years ago we should have known this. But because 3D is seen as a phase and/or cash cow by most people, there weren't enough people seeing the writing on the wall, to figure it out beforehand.

I did, last year, in the Phantom Menace 3D thread. I did again many pages ago here, but it's easy to get lost here.

My logic last year, was that the SE was testing effects for Episode I, so TPM 3D was testing 3D for Episode VII.

[Breather]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Lighten up, Francis.

Disney *can* fire Kennedy, doesn't mean they *will*. Disney *can* assimilate ILM into their in-house VFX wing, doesn't mean they *will*. But they don't need to make the SW films at the Ranch, as they have their own production space. Point is, Disney owns all of it now. They are ultimately in control, even over George, who is a consultant, not even a producer. Kennedy is in charge of LucasFilm, but Disney now owns LucasFilm. She's an employee.

YOU sound crazy, freaking out like that. Not me.

I completely understand what you're saying, Ernest. Your original post clearly stated what could happen and what often does happen in acquisitions. You didn't state what will happen in this situation. I understood that from the first reading.

Having worked for an entity that was part of an acquisition myself, it often starts out as a hands-off approach, everything nice with guarantees of autonomy or promises of minimal oversight. Yet, the truth of the matter is, the parent corporation will often slip their own corporate culture and influence in, quite slowly in some instances and quickly in others. And the first time something isn't successful, the overseer will wield their power and begin to make wholesale changes.

If everything goes well, you'll see Kennedy stay in charge. As the release said, she'll be reporting to Alan Horn, and you can be sure Iger as well. If things aren't to their satisfaction, she'll be jettisoned like any other executive. No one spends $4 billion to sit on the sidelines.

[Blu-21]

I personally think this is great news. Lucus has been past it for many years as evident by the horribly written and amateurishly directed prequels. He no longer cared about storytelling or good characters, he only cared about cramming the screen with as much CGI as possible. Ejecting some new blood back into Star Wars can only be a good thing. I'm hoping the sequel trilogy captures the magic of A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back.

As far as I am concern, Lucus started changing for the worse in 1983. He became a sell out with it hurting the film badly. Those stupid childish Ewolks were cringe worthy which was the developing base for Jar-Jar.

[Groge511]

As much as I am a Joss fan on this occasion I have to go with Spielberg. Hes always wanted to do one and being, basically, GL's best mate since film school he knows Star Wars and he knows how Lucas does what he does. Not only does he understand what it takes to make Star Wars but he would be perfect for the job. We all know what he can do and when it comes to sci-fi and/or fantasy hes one of the first go-to-guys. He would manage to make it remain family entertainment as well as please hardcore fans. He is a trusted film maker and should definitely be given a chance and one chance only!

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by AmrlKJaneway

My logic last year, was that the SE was testing effects for Episode I, so TPM 3D was testing 3D for Episode VII.

Well, CtToI, that's certainly better than the "Cameron and Lucas got so giddy after hearing there was this new Shiny Magic Button they could push on their computers and 3D would pop out" theory I was going with at the time...

(Lucas admitted the '97 SE's were raising capital for production on Ep. 1, so it's possible that he may have been trying with the 3D's to get things in place for the deal.)