Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (USE SPOILER TAGS!)

[aiman04]

While I don't mind it, I'm not gonna ask for it either. Post-credit scene is just not Star Wars, that's all. Next, please.

[rickah88]

I don't give a rats ass one way, or another. Just bring on the film!

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by klauswhereareyou

Over-used nowadays. Sickening how today's audiences whine when there isn't one. Save for Iron Man, the only other good ones were at the end of Strange Brew and Ferris Bueller.

Lethal Weapon 3, Pirates of the Caribbean 2 & 3, Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets are some I think were pretty well done.

Originally Posted by CinemaBlu

I think they're stupid and annoying. Anything worth including should be included in the body of the film itself.

Strongly disagree. I always watch the credits (I like knowing who did what and the score) and it's always great to see something the impatient miss. And it's usually hilarious jokes that have no real place in the film, such as the stinger for Airplane!, Planes, Trains and Automobiles, South Park: Bigger, Longer, and Uncut, and Idiocracy.

[Al_The_Strange]

Originally Posted by chip75

They're pretty common in in original movies (where he usually almost gets killed doing his stunts) and later in his US movies like Rush Hour where he can't get his lines out. I think when you see movies for the star power and performance like Jackie provides, you don't mind a bit of extra time with him out of character, the same goes for Burt and Dom in the Cannonball Run pictures.

Originally Posted by DragonOfTheBlackPool

That's pretty much what they show at the end of Jackie Chan movies... his stunts gone wrong. Amazing stuff, especially his older films.

You know, I might have seen the ones for Rush Hour, but forgot all about them. Will have to watch his older work some day. The man is skilled.

[aiman04]

Originally Posted by aiman04

This pilot looks very much like Adam Driver.



He might not be a villain after all.

Seeing that new picture of Kylo reminds reminds me again of the picture above. Is Kylo playing both sides like Palpatine did?

[CinemaBlu]

Originally Posted by aiman04

Seeing that new picture of Kylo reminds reminds me again of the picture above. Is Kylo playing both sides like Palpatine did?

That would give this film kind of an interesting twist: A Resistance fighter turned Sith vs a Stormtrooper turned Jedi.

[aiman04]

Originally Posted by CinemaBlu

That would give this film kind of an interesting twist: A Resistance fighter turned Sith vs a Stormtrooper turned Jedi.

Yup. Or he probably was a Sith from the beginning, being a spy in the Resistance?

[Himmel]

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[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by CinemaBlu

That would give this film kind of an interesting twist: A Resistance fighter turned Sith vs a Stormtrooper turned Jedi.

Maybe an intentional leak to throw off the rumor sites. Happens a lot.

[JamesBenjamin]

Originally Posted by Terminated

3 X-wing Squadrons Confirmed for Star Wars: The Force Awakens.

Black Squadron, Red Squadron, and Blue Squadron.

http://makingstarwars.net/2015/08/3-...force-awakens/

This confirms nothing for the movie, it just confirms that the miniature game will have those squadrons.

[Himmel]

Empire magazine has revealed a bit of an interview with J.J Abrams in it Kylo Ren is discussed as well as Supreme leader Snoke and the First order.

“Kylo Ren is not a Sith,” confirms JJ Abrams in the new issue of Empire. “He works under Supreme Leader Snoke, who is a powerful figure on the Dark Side of the Force.”

Snoke, you will recall, is a performance-captured digital character played by Andy Serkis, who can be heard growling the voiceover on the first teaser. Aside from shedding a little light on Ren’s origins, Abrams gave some background on the state of the universe when The Force Awakens begins, including the origins of the First Order, who are not quite the Imperial remnant many had taken them to be.

“That all came out of conversations about what would have happened if the Nazis all went to Argentina but then started working together again?’” Abrams reveals. “What could be born of that? Could The First Order exist as a group that actually admired The Empire? Could the work of The Empire be seen as unfulfilled? And could Vader be a martyr? Could there be a need to see through what didn’t get done?”

http://www.starwars7news.com/2015/08...-magazine.html

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by Terminated

Empire magazine has revealed a bit of an interview with J.J Abrams in it Kylo Ren is discussed as well as Supreme leader Snoke and the First order.

“Kylo Ren is not a Sith,” confirms JJ Abrams in the new issue of Empire. “He works under Supreme Leader Snoke, who is a powerful figure on the Dark Side of the Force.”

Snoke, you will recall, is a performance-captured digital character played by Andy Serkis, who can be heard growling the voiceover on the first teaser. Aside from shedding a little light on Ren’s origins, Abrams gave some background on the state of the universe when The Force Awakens begins, including the origins of the First Order, who are not quite the Imperial remnant many had taken them to be.

“That all came out of conversations about what would have happened if the Nazis all went to Argentina but then started working together again?’” Abrams reveals. “What could be born of that? Could The First Order exist as a group that actually admired The Empire? Could the work of The Empire be seen as unfulfilled? And could Vader be a martyr? Could there be a need to see through what didn’t get done?”

http://www.starwars7news.com/2015/08...-magazine.html

ok, I'm really not liking what I hear there. this is tempering my initial excitement a good bit

[MechaGodzilla]

I like the idea of Kylo Ren and Snoke not being Sith but a different kind of dark side users. It gives us something new yet familiar.

[aiman04]

Explains what the Knights of Ren really is, they're just Sith Inqusitors without Force ability. Also suggests that Kylo is not a

[Show spoiler]Skywalker

, as I mentioned he doesn't look like one to my eyes. Or if Kylo is Force sensitive (the teaser kinda show he is) but not a Sith, are they changing the rule? I thought a Force user can only be a Jedi or a Sith.

And what about that the rumor that they're looking for a new actress to play

[Show spoiler]Han's daughter

in Episode VIII?

Is Snoke a Sith without a disciple?

[Al_The_Strange]

Originally Posted by aiman04

Or if Kylo is Force sensitive (the teaser kinda show he is) but not a Sith, are they changing the rule? I thought a Force user can only be a Jedi or a Sith.

I'm not sure if that was ever truly a "rule," given that Leia was Force sensitive and was able to sense things and reach out to Luke and stuff.

At that point, if neither Jedi nor Sith recruit a Force-sensitive person, I assume they'd always remain neutral or undiscovered.

Originally Posted by aiman04

Is Snoke a Sith without a disciple?

Maybe, or maybe it's all a new Dark-Side organization or faction that doesn't obey the "there's always two" rule.

I always thought that was a flaky rule anyway, especially with all the treachery and mistrust among the Sith.

I welcome jazzing up the way things work; if nothing else, it shows that the universe is always changing and evolving, and it makes sense to me that with both the Jedi and Sith out of the picture in the post-OT world, there would be different groups emerging (or perhaps, awakening?).

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Al_The_Strange

Maybe, or maybe it's all a new Dark-Side organization or faction that doesn't obey the "there's always two" rule.

I always thought that was a flaky rule anyway, especially with all the treachery and mistrust among the Sith.

I've never really understood (or got along with) the Rule of Two, you have two Sith a Master and Apprentice, but you can have thousands of Jedi. We had Palpatine and Darth Maul, but Count Dooku was in the background alongside General Grievous and Asajj Ventress, was Dooku bumped up the order when Maul was killed? It's implied that Dooku has Ventress as an apprentice in The Clone Wars.

It's seems lopsided to only have two Sith fight all the Jedi, unless they can have Dark Side warriors fight alongside them ready to take the place of the Apprentice.

[aiman04]

Originally Posted by Al_The_Strange

I'm not sure if that was ever truly a "rule," given that Leia was Force sensitive and was able to sense things and reach out to Luke and stuff.

At that point, if neither Jedi nor Sith recruit a Force-sensitive person, I assume they'd always remain neutral or undiscovered.



Maybe, or maybe it's all a new Dark-Side organization or faction that doesn't obey the "there's always two" rule.

I always thought that was a flaky rule anyway, especially with all the treachery and mistrust among the Sith.

I welcome jazzing up the way things work; if nothing else, it shows that the universe is always changing and evolving, and it makes sense to me that with both the Jedi and Sith out of the picture in the post-OT world, there would be different groups emerging (or perhaps, awakening?).

Makes sense. And I guess those who are never trained don't matter much. I posted this in another discussion on Facebook but here it is again. What about that talk of the prophecy then, to destroy the Sith and bring balance to the Force? If there are Force users of the dark side other than Sith, how does that fit into the prophecy? Vader being "the one" won't matter anymore then.

The Jedi & Sith are important in the main saga, they're in the title of two episodes. If anything this got me even more curious to see this episode.

[Pounder]

So what are the odds Kylo Ren is

[Show spoiler]Han and Leia's kid? Just Han's? or no relation whatsoever to the Original Characters?

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by Roonan

I find them to be great (independent) movies. Original, creative, well acted, with great scope, themes and characters.

Great? No. They aspired to be great, but they weren't. And while I'm not a Lucas basher, there was one scene is a making-of documentary where Lucas is obsessing over some special effects and then he says, "I guess I'd better start writing this thing now". It left me with the impression that the actual story and dialog was among his lowest priorities. And we know that he didn't really like working with actors and monitored their performances from a separate room.

Independent? I don't see how the prequels represent the vision we traditionally associate with an independent filmmaker. Imagine Star Wars the way Scorsese would have told it (thinking about both his gangster films and "Hugo").

Original? Not really. What originality did we see in the prequels that we hadn't already seen in the OT? And while I consider the OT to be original, there are those who would argue that it was totally based on traditional myths as well as serials like Flash Gordon, but with super-large budgets.

Creative? I'll give you that.

Well Acted? No. Please. There were a few acceptable performances, many performances that were of no consequence either way, and several bad performances (whether it was the actor's faults or not) that have been discussed to death.

Great Scope: Yes in the sense that we saw lots of worlds, but IMO, nothing in the PT as effective as when Luke first met Yoda, which had a very Edgar Rice Burroughs feel to it and really made me smile the first time I saw it. I remember thinking to myself, "this is exactly the way it should be."

Great Themes: No, I think the themes in the PT were terribly confused. Among many other problems, I'd like a relatively intelligent person who saw the PT only once to explain the Separatists Movement and how it related to everything else that was going on. Now ask a 13-year-old who is not a geek. I bet all they can say is that Dooku was a bad guy who was once a Jedi. That's not good storytelling.

Great Characters: I think the young Obi-Wan and maybe Qui-Gon were good characters, but everyone else left me cold. I don't even think Count Dooku was a great character, even though Christopher Lee's performance was as good as could have been expected under the circumstances.

And you left out the most important thing of all: "great writing". The writing of the PT was terrible and as I've written many times before, it was written without an audience in mind. So we have things written for the kids, like the boy Anakin and Jar Jar, combined with plot elements like the Trade Federation blockade and confusing politics that no young kid could understand, as well as a romance where there was no chemistry between the characters at all, largely due to dialog with the sophistication of puppy love letters from sleep-away camp. And that's aside from all the geek stuff that I don't care about, but many other people do and all the errors introduced by trying to write around the OT and the fact that Vader never made all that much logical sense in the first place and he made even less sense once his backstory was told.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by aiman04

What about that talk of the prophecy then, to destroy the Sith and bring balance to the Force? If there are Force users of the dark side other than Sith, how does that fit into the prophecy? Vader being "the one" won't matter anymore then.

The Jedi & Sith are important in the main saga, they're in the title of two episodes. If anything this got me even more curious to see this episode.

Since the previous films demonstrated that the Jedi were wrong about everything 95% of the time and seemed to make the worst decisions imaginable, I would have no problem if "the prophecy" turned out to be total b.s. and was either ignored in the new films or treated as if it was nothing more than religious myth. I'm hoping there's some aspect of the new films where Luke realizes the weaknesses of the Jedi and rejects some of the teachings.

The Sith were great organizers, manipulators, politicians and builders. If they didn't kill millions (billions?) in the process, they would have been heroes.