HDR Discussion Thread

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by lelabodejay

Hi there, not sure to understand every word you say but to make things clear...

LDJ, your intentions with your video were good and I don’t find any misstep on your part. My impression is that Florian takes every opportunity available to him to promote HDR10+ and certainly 8K.

Originally Posted by lelabodejay

He is independant,

I’d say not so with regards to Samsung, but that would be the case with Sony -

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by lelabodejay

OLED TV may be the best for Blacks but have big flaws

True and I think stating that on the forums (this, AVS, etc.) is tantamount to committing a mortal sin.

Originally Posted by lelabodejay

Thanks for sharing my Work
regards from France

we are an international thread for sure –

Show and Film looks from 2021 - iColorist Color Space Cadets livestream, Ep2 - YouTube

among other things ^ delves into - do I really want to spend the extra money to get HDR content?, HDR vs. SDR grain

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

True and I think stating that on the forums (this, AVS, etc.) is tantamount to committing a mortal sin.

It is indeed. But there's not much that can be done to challenge the orthodoxy/hegemony of "perfect black" now, though it doesn't help that content creators are more than willing to overlook (or perhaps don't even see, owing to custom firmware) the flaws as OLEDs are pretty much the default client monitors worldwide. That article you linked about the finish of Wandavision was a case in point, the production shipping LG OLEDs to the post-production principles so they could post the movie remotely during the pandemic.

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Mike, in the case of videos involving working professionals in the industry, any conflict of interest is easily intuitive to the reader/listener as those videos clearly are produced by the respective companies (Dolby, LG, whomever) and in cases where they are not and there is a third-party host, the employee bio is clearly made evident to the public, e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLBPUN_S-ms#t=1m18s

With another third-party hosting example being - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qgKFYEXAIw#t=57m13s , a disclosure practice, even in this case the presenter apologizing for naming names so as not to be self-promoting of DoVi, that Florian should be familiar with.

Florian is the CEO of FF Pictures or whatever it’s called in Germany. A casual reader/listener may be unaware of any past or ongoing collaboration between Samsung and Florian, (who gives the impression of being an independent analyzer in LDJ’s YouTube video which you linked).

Addendum:
In the second SMPTE video above, featuring Raymond, he has since moved onto Amazon Studios this year.

So why not call out every post in the HDTV test thread?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Agent Kay

So why not call out every post in the HDTV test thread?

They are not working professionals directly involved in the filmmaking industry.

I admit that at this point I’ve developed a bias against HDR10+ which sticks in my craw a bit. As an analogy, how would you like it if you worked for years and spent a lot of money to produce a revolutionary medication to improve one’s eyesight for seeing things they’d never seen before and then someone quickly comes along and reverse engineers that outcome using a different methodology, then in turn, gives it away as a generic on the cheap and promotes it as the only drug available for that purpose to JoeQPublic in their own drugstores, of which there are more than any other type drugstore in the country.

I think that would make me reluctant to invest the time, money and effort into a new revolutionary product. Then at the end of the day when there is an atmosphere created to impede developing something truly cutting edge, ultimately, I think the consumer loses out most and we are left with marginal improvements year to year.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by cricepng

I come to this thread for HDR discussion, not generally Hollywood news.

Hollywood meets Silicon Valley - https://infinityfestival.com/

[BrownianMotion]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

As an analogy, how would you like it if you worked for years and spent a lot of money to produce a revolutionary medication to improve one’s eyesight for seeing things they’d never seen before and then someone quickly comes along and reverse engineers that outcome using a different methodology, then in turn, gives it away as a generic on the cheap and promotes it as the only drug available for that purpose to JoeQPublic in their own drugstores, of which there are more than any other type drugstore in the country.

That's competition.

I'd be motivated to create something better.

[Geoff D]

I agree with your sentiment Penton but you won't tug at anyone's heartstrings with an analogy like that. Seems rather tone deaf in this day and age.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Did you write that down?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by BrownianMotion

That's competition.
I'd be motivated to create something better.

although excluded from some TVs from the get go, still the gold standard - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU3ZhrOR3w4#t=15m31s

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I agree with your sentiment Penton but you won't tug at anyone's heartstrings with an analogy like that. Seems rather tone deaf in this day and age.

best I could do on short notice, but I think that philosophy applies to any revolutionary process/product brought to market when nobody else had even thought of such a thing

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

Did you write that down?

borrowed

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

best I could do on short notice, but I think that philosophy applies to any revolutionary process/product brought to market when nobody else had even thought of such a thing

As I said, I agree with the sentiment but using an example of a rival drugs company putting out a life-enhancing treatment for free (those evil BASTARDS) would only seem to appeal to those who had shares in the company that sold the drug for $500 at a time.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by BrownianMotion

That's competition.

I'd be motivated to create something better.

They did.
And you can use it on sets from every display maker - except Samsung.

Dolby invents HDR10 - gives it away. Develops Dolby Vision for enhanced application.

Samsung takes Dolby's HDR10 tech, gives it a squirt of metadata and calls it HDR10+. Bull-shit.

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

They are not working professionals directly involved in the filmmaking industry.

I admit that at this point I’ve developed a bias against HDR10+ which sticks in my craw a bit. As an analogy, how would you like it if you worked for years and spent a lot of money to produce a revolutionary medication to improve one’s eyesight for seeing things they’d never seen before and then someone quickly comes along and reverse engineers that outcome using a different methodology, then in turn, gives it away as a generic on the cheap and promotes it as the only drug available for that purpose to JoeQPublic in their own drugstores, of which there are more than any other type drugstore in the country.

I think that would make me reluctant to invest the time, money and effort into a new revolutionary product. Then at the end of the day when there is an atmosphere created to impede developing something truly cutting edge, ultimately, I think the consumer loses out most and we are left with marginal improvements year to year.

How would I like the opposite?
A monopoly by one company?
I call out the stupid fanbots who worship Dolby for no reason.
I picked my TV and 4k player so I have all formats, I wanted Vision and have it.
But in saying that, I don't see DV as some magic that makes it all better and can compare all the formats.
So one video gets posted about 10+ and very excited has a headfit?
Its a bit pathetic when we have thousands of DV videos and it's evangelised and never called out.
One video talking about how it works and comparing to 10?
Somebody think of the children!
Change of thread name to Dolby discussion thread?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

As I said, I agree with the sentiment but using an example of a rival drugs company putting out a life-enhancing treatment for free (those evil BASTARDS) would only seem to appeal to those who had shares in the company that sold the drug for $500 at a time.

Oh, I know Geoffrey, the biggest irony is that I am Far from being a fan of Big Pharma (google - YouTube of Watch: Katie Porter Uses Famous Whiteboard To Blast Pharma CEO For Inflating Drug Prices), but at the moment of responding I just couldn’t think of a future revolutionary AV device yet to be invented taking years to develop (and then essentially copied by someone else) to make the point.

If this pans out to be a success - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...c#post19434528 , I hope those folks are duly rewarded for their efforts without being marginalized by copycats.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Agent Kay

How would I like the opposite?
A monopoly by one company?
I call out the stupid fanbots who worship Dolby for no reason.
I picked my TV and 4k player so I have all formats, I wanted Vision and have it.
But in saying that, I don't see DV as some magic that makes it all better and can compare all the formats.
So one video gets posted about 10+ and very excited has a headfit?
Its a bit pathetic when we have thousands of DV videos and it's evangelised and never called out.
One video talking about how it works and comparing to 10?

Mike, mike….chill.
I’d, and I’ll bet Peter, too, would feel the same if the shoe were on thee other foot – Samsung inventing something out of the blue and Dolby tweaking it a bit, but essentially copycatting it and then excluding it from their consumer TVs if they manufactured TVs. It’s the principle.

As far as your comment ‘one video gets posted about 10+ and very excited has a headfit’, FYI not on this thread, but just within this past month I was forwarded another video produced by Florian in which he slid in a short segment comparing Dolby Vision to HDR10+ suggesting equivalency in picture quality and actually superiority of HDR10+ for UHD BD. Myself being exposed to two different videos within a couple weeks of each other is a bit irritating given the history of HDR.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Agent Kay

Somebody think of the children!

OM being in the top 4 :
https://www.google.com/search?q=olym...hrome&ie=UTF-8

Maya would be ecstatic – https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1069689...ttspec_spec_tt
Mike, I also watch and enjoy SDR, as during date night last night, after dinner I spun this for the wife and I – https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Still...lu-ray/295415/

Check it out

[Agent Kay]

I know not to post non Dolby content here

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Agent Kay

here

location, location -
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...s#post16738832
^ update, winners for this year -> https://locationmanagers.org/winners...l-lmgi-awards/

Mike, come the 10th Annual LMGI Awards, I hope we are at least in agreement as to desiring which motion picture is at least nominated for Outstanding Locations in a Contemporary Film - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...s#post17404180

And, while up north, snow-capped hills - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...k#post16088914

P.S.
No hard feelings as to the difference of opinion regarding HDR dynamic metadata platforms, for if you ever get to Comic-Con again, dinner on me….with the caveat that you like Poms –

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

even the Pomeranian was impressed –