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Old 01-19-2009, 01:06 PM   #681
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Hey, it looks like the formal list is for 'in production' displays, but I figured I would throw in this note about the upcoming Sony XBR9s.

Sony has a news release here: http://news.sel.sony.com/en/press_ro...ase/38666.html which talks about their intent to release the product in spring 09, so mighty soon.

http://www.productwiki.com/sony-bravia-xbr9-series/
Provides a good round up of preview information, including a quick rundown of specs including 1080p native resolution, 240 Hz refresh rate, 24p support. As well as a rundown of the different models being mentioned:
KDL-40XBR9 KDL-46XBR9 KDL-52XBR9 as well as the KDL-32XBR9 which has 120Hz instead of 240Hz, and is lacking a few other features.
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Old 01-21-2009, 05:26 PM   #682
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Pioneer Elite PRO-101FD 1080P Plasma Monitor
(January 2009 review link)


Scott Wilikinson over at UltimateAVmag.com has written a professional review on the Pioneer Elite PRO-101FD display. Both the PRO-101FD 50 inch and PRO-141FD 60 inch are Pioneers top of the line 9th generation Plasma monitors. Manufacturing a plasma screen can vary in quality level depending on the parts. Just like computers have variations in quality levels for memory and CPU's so do electronic components in plasma screens (The Following quote is from Feb 2009 Home Theater magazine page 46 comparing a standard Kuro to Elite Kuro. "In fact, our PDP-6020FD actually had marginally deeper measured blacks than the PRO-111FD tested here-a difference that was most likely caused by inevitable production variations. But if you want the most accurate color Pioneer has to offer, you'll want a fully calibrated Elite KURO model."). The new Pioneer signature series monitors have the best picture quality since precision parts are hand inspected and certified to offer the deepest blacks with only the best quality components used. The Pioneer Elite Signature Series are the only 9G Pioneers that offer worldwide signal support. The Signature series will display native NTSC, PAL, and SECAM along with 1080P, 1080I, 720P HD formats. These Signature series monitors do not have a TV tuner or speakers in order to keep the price lower while at the same time allowing for the best possible picture quality. Having a dedicated circuit board for video only increases quality. A Stereo system or surround system with an external tuner like a cable box or satellite receiver is required to watch and listen to TV programs. The Pioneer signature series is similar to a front projector in the sense that a dedicated home theater room is needed. All ceiling mounted front projectors have no tuners or speakers just like the new Pioneer signature series. The Pioneer signature series also has no 480I S-Video jack which is useful for connecting a old legacy S-VHS machine. It would have been ideal to include at least one S-video jack. Also a KRP-WM01 wall mount and a KRP-TS01 tabletop stand are sold separately. $350 for the wall mount and $400 for the table top stand.

The following are word for word quotes from the review link

"All Pioneer Kuro TVs and monitors have the ability to display 1080p/24 at 72Hz, repeating each frame three times. This avoids 3:2 pulldown altogether and results in much smoother motion on film-based material. I know of no other flat panels with this rare and important feature.”

"In addition to Pioneer- and Elite-branded plasma TVs, the 9G lineup also includes two Elite Kuro Signature Series monitors, such as the 50-inch PRO-101FD reviewed here, that have no built-in audio or tuner. These monitors are said to be the best of the best, with more adjustability and better performance than ever before. The intended market is high-end custom installation, which is clearly reflected in the $4500 price tag. At that level, buyers will surely have a good outboard surround-sound system and a TV source such as cable or satellite, rendering these functions unnecessary in the display itself. (Note: the monitors also do not come with a table-top stand, which can be purchased separately.)"
"It's important to note that 9G is the last generation that will be manufactured entirely by Pioneer. Subsequent plasma glass will be supplied by Panasonic, though Pioneer will continue to manufacture the final product, incorporating all of the company's proprietary processing and other enhancements."

"Even better, these settings are independent for each signal resolution and frame rate. This is supremely flexible, but it's a bit of a pain to have to re-enter all your settings for 1080i, 1080p/60, and 1080p/24, not to mention 720p, 480p, and 480i. I wish there was a copy function for all the user controls, which would make it fast and easy to copy the settings for one input or resolution to another that you could then tweak as needed."

"Also available are three deinterlacing modes for 480i and 1080i signals. Standard mode reassembles the original film frames and displays them in a 3:2 cadence at 60Hz (a procedure called "inverse telecine"), while Advance mode does the same thing but displays each frame three times at a display rate of 72Hz, avoiding 3:2 pulldown. Smooth mode reassembles the original film frames and interpolates new frames between them as needed to achieve a display rate of 60Hz."

"The menu is improved somewhat over previous models, even those of 9G vintage. When you first enter the menu system, you still see only a list of main categories, such as Picture, Sound, etc. I would prefer to see the basic controls of each category in this topmost level. But most of the advanced picture controls are all visible at the third level rather than having to enter each advanced category separately, which is a big improvement when setting up the monitor."

"I've been using Stargate: Continuum on Blu-ray as a real-world test quite a bit lately, but with blacks this low, I had to see its opening star field, which was breathtaking—I felt as if I was floating among the stars. Blacks this low really make the picture pop, which it did in every scene I played. The color of skin tones, blue sky, green foliage, and everything else was rich yet completely natural, and shadow detail aboard the Achilles and in the Russian stargate facility was superb, revealing many more dim details than I normally see. Overall detail in things like the rusting hull of the Achilles and spaceships was likewise exceptional, almost three-dimensional."

"Comparisons & Conclusion

It's difficult to think of another flat panel that I can fairly compare with the PRO-101FD—except another Pioneer Kuro set. The PRO-111FD is about equal to the PRO-101FD in terms of black level, peak-white level, and other picture attributes. The only significant differences are that the PRO-111FD has an onboard audio system and tuner as well as Home Media Gallery, and it comes with a table-top stand, all for an additional $500. If these things are worth the extra dough to you, go for it. If not, you get the same picture quality with the PRO-101FD for $500 less.

The only other valid comparisons I can make are with the Samsung LN55A950 and Sony KDL-55XBR8 LCD TVs with LED backlighting. Both achieve black levels that are truly zero thanks to local dimming, and both produce a fabulous picture. But the Samsung is $500 more than the Pioneer, and the Sony is $2500 more. Granted, both have onboard audio and tuners, but as I said at the outset, these are relatively unimportant at this price level. And truth be told, I prefer the picture of the Pioneer over either one.

Few would deny that Pioneer's Kuro plasmas are among the very best flat-panel TVs available today, though they're also among the most expensive. Fortunately, you can save a few bucks by choosing one of the Signature Series monitors such as the PRO-101FD. If you already have an audio system and TV source such as cable or satellite, and you want the very best flat-panel picture you can get, this is it.

Highs
Deep, inky blacks
Excellent shadow detail
Gorgeous color
Stunning detail
Displays 1080p/24 at 72Hz
ISF calibration modes

Lows
Above-white is clipped when DRE is off
Incomplete color-management system
Table-top stand not included"

Entire review can be read at the following link:

http://ultimateavmag.com/flatpaneldisplays/pioneer_elite_pro-101fd_plasma_monitor/index.html

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Old 01-22-2009, 04:51 PM   #683
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The Mitsubishi LT-52149 1080P LCD flat panel will not be added to the list since it uses 3:2 pulldown for 1080P/24 signals

All Mitsubishi LCD flat panels still are using 3:2 pulldown when a 1080P/24 signal is received. Hopefully future 120HZ models will offer true 5:5 pulldown feature.

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"While the set accepts a 1080p/24 input, it does not keep it in that form (or a direct multiple of 24 fps) all the way to the display. Instead, it first converts 1080p/24 to 1080p/60 by adding 3:2 pulldown (which eliminates the main benefits of a 24-fps source). To match the panel’s 120-Hz refresh rate, it then further converts the signal to 1080p/120. It converts other source resolutions (480i/p, 1080i, 720p) to 1080p/60 and then upconverts them to 1080p/120. "

http://hometheatermag.com/lcds/mitsubishi_lt-52149_lcd_hdtv/
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Old 01-23-2009, 01:17 PM   #684
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It looks like the new V-Series plasma's from Panasonic will use 4:4 pulldown for 24Hz sources, refreshing at 96Hz.

This is what the pro series currently does. The pro series supports up to 120Hz vertical refresh rate through HDMI and PC input.

http://www.panasonic.com/business/pl...sma-series.asp

These are professional monitors though and shouldn't be added to the list, but the specs are there if anyone's interested.

First V-series models for consumers will hit in March.

http://www.panasonic.net/avc/viera/u.../v_plasma.html
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Old 01-24-2009, 10:30 PM   #685
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It looks like the new V-Series plasma's from Panasonic will use 4:4 pulldown for 24Hz sources, refreshing at 96Hz.

This is what the pro series currently does. The pro series supports up to 120Hz vertical refresh rate through HDMI and PC input.

http://www.panasonic.com/business/pl...sma-series.asp

These are professional monitors though and shouldn't be added to the list, but the specs are there if anyone's interested.

First V-series models for consumers will hit in March.

http://www.panasonic.net/avc/viera/u.../v_plasma.html
THE FOLLOWING INFO SOUNDS LIKE GOOD NEWS FOR PANASONIC FANS

FOLLOWING ARE ALL QUOTES FROM THE LINK BELOW

"The ability to properly deal with native 1080p/24 content is a big deal to some videophiles, because it guarantees that a display can capture the correct cadence of film. Panasonic tried and failed to implement 24p with its plasmas last year, but, according to the company, it has improved its processing for this year with the V10 series.
The four-model V10 plasma lineup includes the 50-inch TC-P50V10 and the 54-inch TC-P54V10, both due in June, as well as the 58-inch TC-P58V10 and the 65-inch TC-P65V10, due in August. As expected, prices were not announced.
Panasonic's V10 models are the company's only televisions for 2009--aside from the ultra-thin Z1 flagship--to feature so-called 24p Cinematic Playback. We spoke to a representative at the company's booth and he claimed that the improvement from last year's 480Hz subfield drive to this year's 600Hz version eliminates the flicker in 24p mode that we complained about last year in our reviews of the PZ800U and PZ850U models. We're looking forward to seeing for ourselves."

http://ces.cnet.com/8301-19167_1-10137076-100.html

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Old 01-25-2009, 03:11 AM   #686
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I have a BenQ W5000 1080p projector, and can confirm that when switching to 24p, it refreshes at 48Hz.

It states this in the menu, I've confirmed it with Benq's techos, and the wheel can be heard slowing down. As you'd expect, there's a slight difference in motion judder and clarity, depending on the source.

As the W20000 is almost identical internally (the DLP chip is the only difference), it's fair to presume that it too would correctly support 24p.

You might want to add them to the list on Page 1 !!


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I have a BenQ W5000 1080p projector, and can confirm that when switching to 24p, it refreshes at 48Hz.

It states this in the menu, I've confirmed it with Benq's techos, and the wheel can be heard slowing down. As you'd expect, there's a slight difference in motion judder and clarity, depending on the source.

As the W20000 is almost identical internally (the DLP chip is the only difference), it's fair to presume that it too would correctly support 24p.

You might want to add them to the list on Page 1 !!

Thanks for the information. I just searched online and in the 53 page manual for the Benq W5000 and it does not mention what refresh rate is used for 1080P/24. Since some front projectors refresh 1080P/24 at 60HZ with 3:2 pulldown the list requires documented proof before a projector gets added. There are 4 new JVC front projectors that also should be on the list but I am waiting for documented review or specs from JVC. The Benq W5000 and maybe the W20000 will be added once a link to official documentation mentions the refresh rate.
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Are there any 32" LCD's out there that are true 1080p24's? The LG 32LG70 says it supports 24p, but in the spec sheet it says the refresh rate is 60hz, so I am thinking this is not true 24p. So with that, are there any true 32's out there with 24p?
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Are there any 32" LCD's out there that are true 1080p24's? The LG 32LG70 says it supports 24p, but in the spec sheet it says the refresh rate is 60hz, so I am thinking this is not true 24p. So with that, are there any true 32's out there with 24p?
After going deeper within the LG, I just found they have a 3:2 pulldown correction.
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After going deeper within the LG, I just found they have a 3:2 pulldown correction.
Let me ask this. And this would help me tremendously. What would one expect to pay for a "true" 1080p24 HDTV in a 32"? What I have now is a Sharp 1080p60, I never play any Blu-Ray's on it through the PS3, I watch DTV HD and play the PS3 through it. Would I really see any difference? This LG I am looking at is $799.99, my Sharp works wonderfully, but was messing with it last night when I found out about the DTV 1080p stuff. Ran the "test" on mine and it said it was a incompatable signal. Which after looking thats what the DTV sends it signal at 1080p24. I would love to use the 24p feature on the PS3 & through DTV, but not if I won't see a difference. What all I have read here, some say you can see a difference, some say you can't. So any help would be much appreciated.
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Old 02-02-2009, 03:59 PM   #691
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Are there any 32" LCD's out there that are true 1080p24's? The LG 32LG70 says it supports 24p, but in the spec sheet it says the refresh rate is 60hz, so I am thinking this is not true 24p. So with that, are there any true 32's out there with 24p?
No 32 inch sets yet with this feature. 37 inch is currently the smallest with true 24p refresh rates.
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No 32 inch sets yet with this feature. 37 inch is currently the smallest with true 24p refresh rates.
Thanks! I was thinking that same thing. Any info as to knowing if there will be? As well is it a waste of money to go with that LG I was talking about above? Considering I have a 1080p HD already? Since it does still have 60hz refresh rates?
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Old 02-02-2009, 10:28 PM   #693
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Thanks! I was thinking that same thing. Any info as to knowing if there will be? As well is it a waste of money to go with that LG I was talking about above? Considering I have a 1080p HD already? Since it does still have 60hz refresh rates?
Setting your PS3 to 1080P/24 or 1080P/60 would not matter that much since the new 32 inch LG display converts everything to 60HZ anyways (Now if the PS3 or the TV did a better conversion to 60HZ you might see a minor improvement in 3:2 pulldown processing under idea conditions ). Bypassing 3:2 pulldown 60HZ is the primary purpose of 1080P/24 signals. 1080P at 60HZ still looks good. True 24fps refresh rates just gives the image a more of a film look with no 3:2 pulldown judder during camera pans. If you are happy with your existing Sharp 1080P 60HZ I would recommended staying with that display until you want to upgrade. In the future in a year or several years from now if you are looking to upgrade to a bigger screen like 50 inches to see more 1080P detail then definitely get a display that properly handles 1080P/24. More important in terms of picture quality is contrast levels, shade details, and black levels. Also a 50 inch or larger display is more enjoyable for 1080P viewing. There will be under 32 inch true 1080p/24 displays most likely in 6 to 18 months if you need that screen size (estimate only).

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Setting your PS3 to 1080P/24 or 1080P/60 would not matter that much since the new 32 inch LG display converts everything to 60HZ anyways (Now if the PS3 or the TV did a better conversion to 60HZ you might see a minor improvement in 3:2 pulldown processing under idea conditions ). Bypassing 3:2 pulldown 60HZ is the primary purpose of 1080P/24 signals. 1080P at 60HZ still looks good. True 24fps refresh rates just gives the image a more of a film look with no 3:2 pulldown judder during camera pans. If you are happy with your existing Sharp 1080P 60HZ I would recommended staying with that display until you want to upgrade. In the future in a year or several years from now if you are looking to upgrade to a bigger screen like 50 inches to see more 1080P detail then definitely get a display that properly handles 1080P/24. More important in terms of picture quality is contrast levels, shade details, and black levels. Also a 50 inch or larger display is more enjoyable for 1080P viewing. There will be under 32 inch true 1080p/24 displays most likely in 6 to 18 months if you need that screen size (estimate only).

Thanks again for the info. Settles my case.
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Panasonic TH-65VX100U 1080P Plasma Monitor (Feb review link)

The new Panasonic TH-65VX100U and TH-50VX100U have been added to the list. According to the review the 100U series displays 1080P/24 at 48HZ with a "pseudo 96Hz" refresh rate to minimize flicker. On the spec sheet of the professional review by Thomas J Norton the display is listed as "Display 1080p/24 at: 48Hz" http://ultimateavmag.com/flatpaneldisplays/panasonic_th-65vx100u_plasma_monitor/index5.html

The TH-65VX100U and TH-50VX100U are not exactly the same when it comes to picture quality. According to Panasonic the 65 inch model has a 60,000:1 Contrast ratio where as the lower cost 50 inch model only has a 40,000:1 Contrast ratio.
http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ModelList?storeId=11201&catalogId=13051&catGroupId =126503&surfModel=TH-65VX100U

The Panasonic TH-65VX100U is the best Panasonic Plasma display that has been reviewed so far. This display cost $10,000 and is a monitor only. Since it is a monitor only it does not have any tuners or built in speakers. It also will not support Deep Color since the HDMI inputs are only 1.2a. The display also has no 480I legacy S-Video and composite video inputs which is a disappointment. A external video processor or high-end A/V receiver is required for any old 480I devices that use S-Video and composite video. The great feature about this Panasonic is that it has removable video modules that is similar to a computer motherboard in some ways. It is an awesome feature to be able to upgrade the inputs when and if Panasonic makes future hardware module improvements. The new Panasonic TH-65VX100U, Sony XBR8, and Pioneer Kuro are some of the best displays on the market. The Panasonic is at least as good as the Sony XBR8 series but does not have the inky black levels that a Pioneer Kuro can according to the review. Of course a side by side comparison should be made for a more accurate review. The Pioneer PRO-141FD 60 inch 1080P monitor costs $7,000 which is $3,000 cheaper compared to the Panasonic TH-65VX100U. Even though the Panasonic black levels measured the deepest of any flat panel so far, in real world viewing of BLU-RAY's that contain the darkness of space the Pioneer had an overall better picture quality according to the reviewer. The $10,000 65 inch Panasonic TH-65VX100U, $7,000 Sony KDL-55XBR8 55 inch , and $7,000 60 inch Pioneer PRO-141FD are all excellent displays to own. Hopefully a future review will have a face off between all 3 of these displays.

The following are all word for word quotes from the Feb 2009 UlimateAVmag.com review


"If the set receives a 1080p/24 source, it first doubles it to a 48Hz refresh rate. This is further processed into a "pseudo 96Hz" refresh rate to minimize flicker. According to Panasonic, this is done by using "intelligent subfield distribution." I could not get a clear explanation of this process—if I could describe it here, it would likely make your head explode—but the important point is that a 24fps source is not compromised by conversion to 60fps via 3:2 pulldown as it is in many sets."

"A big image commands your attention. And with its dominant 65-inch image, Panasonic's new TH-65VX100U monitor certainly does just that. It's pricey at $10,000; a smaller, less-expensive 50-inch version should be out soon. But put a great high-definition image on its screen and you won't want to do anything but sit back and watch. "

"The 65VX100U is unique among the Panasonic displays we've reviewed—it's a monitor rather than an HDTV. Marketed through the Panasonic Professional Display Company and not Panasonic's consumer division, you won't find it in the aisles of Best Buy or with a Viera label attached. It's available only through your friendly neighborhood custom installer."

"As a monitor, the 65VX100U adds controls and features that are seldom found in conventional HDTVs. But it's also missing a few features that may be important to some buyers. There are no onboard TV tuners of any kind, either SD or HD. If you rely on an over-the-air antenna, you'll need an outboard ATSC tuner, which was common in the early days of HDTV but scarce in today's consumer market. If you use a cable or satellite set-top box, you won't need an onboard tuner.
The set also lacks a full audio system. However, unlike some monitors, it does have a built-in stereo amplifier. If you plan to use the onboard audio system (even just occasionally), all you need is a pair of speakers. And with speakers of reasonable quality, you'll get far better sound than from any other flat-panel set we've reviewed. But please, Panasonic, what were you thinking with those cheap, push-and-grab terminals for the speaker leads?"

"The video inputs are arranged on removable modules that slide into three slots. In the standard configuration, slots 1 and 2 each have two HDMI ports and slot 3 has a single component/RGB input with analog L/R audio connections. You can order a variety of HDMI or component combinations (but no more than two HDMI modules), or even DVI-D and HD-SDI (high-definition serial-digital Interface) boards. HD-SDI is a pro connection format, but it may be useful in some custom installations. There are no composite or S-video options. But a product such as this will normally be used with a flexible preamp/processor or A/V receiver that can get around this issue with its own video switching, processing, and cross-conversion."

"The HDMI inputs are 1.2a, not 1.3. That means no Deep Color (increased color bit depth) or x.v.Color (expanded color gamut) when—or if—these two features ever become important in commercial content. There is little activity on that front apart from video games and a few HD camcorders."

" With standard-definition cable programming of variable quality, whether output from my cable box at 480i or 1080i component or 1080i HDMI, I did see frequent motion artifacts. Yes, these artifacts were, from all the evidence, inherent in the sources. But despite the Panasonic Premiere's generally good performance on material free of serious artifacts, its video processing did a worse job on marginal sources than other—and often less expensive—displays. For example, a Sony VPL-HW10 projector ($3500) showed far fewer visible artifacts on the same material, and on a much bigger screen (90 inches diagonal)."

"Comparisons & Conclusion
Speaking of dark scenes and shadow detail, this brings up the $10,000 question: Just how good are this set's blacks compared to the current state of the art? Panasonic makes much of this in its press release for the Premiere Series sets. It trumpets its new plasma panels, which include a "Dynamic Black" layer on the front, a reduction of the pre-discharge idling current to one sixth of its previous value (which results in less residual light output in black areas of the image), and a claimed contrast ratio of 60,000:1.
Does all this deliver world-leading blacks? World-leading, no. World-class, yes. Put a full black field on the screen in a darkened room, and it's clearly lighter and more visibly gray (rather than inky black) than you'll see on, say, a Sony XBR8 LCD with local dimming or a Pioneer Kuro plasma.
The differences are most obvious on star fields—probably the darkest type of image that still has significant detail. The star field at the beginning of Stargate: Continuum (one of the most dynamically layered star fields I've ever seen on film) is superb when viewed on the Panasonic Premiere without benefit of a side-by-side comparison. It's arguably at least as good as on a local-dimming LCD like the Sony XBR8.
I was unable to view the 65VX100U directly next to a Pioneer Kuro in time for this review, but the Panasonic Premiere clearly doesn't deliver quite the same sensation of inky, infinite blackness of space behind the stars that the Pioneer can. This also translates to a slightly less rich look on other very dark scenes having few bright highlights, such as the darkest scenes in Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World. And the black letterbox bars on 2.35:1 films, while respectably dark on the Panasonic Premiere, are more visible than on a Pioneer.
In these comparisons, I'm definitely splitting hairs. But such hairs must be split considering that the Panasonic Premiere is much more expensive than the Pioneer and Sony flagship sets, which aren't exactly selling for chicken feed themselves. Still, apart from those sets and other LCDs with local dimming, the 65VX100U's blacks are the deepest we've yet measured on any plasma or LCD flat panel. The Panasonic Premiere never failed to produce a convincing image on any high-quality source, and by any reasonable standard, its overall performance on dark scenes is excellent.
And the 65VX100U's shadow detail is superb—arguably as good as or better than on those other sets. It's largely immune to the gray-fog effect—a lightening that can subtly wash out the dimmest regions of a dark scene. The inherent ability of plasmas to deliver punchy highlights in otherwise low brightness scenes also works to the Panasonic Premiere's advantage.
I had no complaints with the 65VX100U's performance in any other important respect. Motion lag was not an issue. Like other plasmas, it can be comfortably viewed from far off axis without any visible image degradation. And while reasonable caution should always be exercised with stationary or partial-screen images on any plasma display, including this one, I found its resistance to image retention—the first stage to possible permanent burn-in—well above average for a plasma.
Many if not most of the sets we review these days are excellent performers, but they nearly always have one or two major weaknesses, such as motion lag, off-axis viewing, video processing, or black level and shadow detail. This 65VX100U isn't perfect either (what is?), nor is it the best set we've reviewed in every respect. And it's undeniably pricey. But given good program material, it offers a canny balance of strengths with no serious weaknesses. It's the type of set that draws you in, the type of set that keeps you up to 1 AM watching stuff that's been sitting on your PVR for weeks, waiting for you to find time to see. It's the type of set that turns well-made and great-looking program material into compelling entertainment.

Highs
Attention-grabbing size
Superb detail
Near reference-quality blacks

Lows
No tuners or speakers
Color gamut wider than HD standard
No color-management system
HDMI input is 1.2a, not 1.3"

http://ultimateavmag.com/flatpaneldisplays/panasonic_th-65vx100u_plasma_monitor/index.html

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Does the samsung hl67a750 LED DLP do the 1080p/24? I know when I watch a blu ray that sometimes the info displayed during the movie says 1080p@24hz, and the picture looks fine to me. I don't see any juddering.

EDIT! Nevermind. Found my answer over at another site (not sure if I can post which site).

Yes the samsung HL67a750 does 1080p/24 fps.

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Does the samsung hl67a750 LED DLP do the 1080p/24? I know when I watch a blu ray that sometimes the info displayed during the movie says 1080p@24hz, and the picture looks fine to me. I don't see any juddering.

EDIT! Nevermind. Found my answer over at another site (not sure if I can post which site).

Yes the samsung HL67a750 does 1080p/24 fps.
All the current Samsung DLP rear projectors accept a 1080P/24 signal but they use 3:2 pulldown. That is why the Samsung rear projectors are not on the list. 1080P displays that use 3:2 pulldown still have a good picture and judder usually only occurs during fast moving action and camera pans. Since the 50's almost everyone that has owned a TV is use to 3:2 pulldown judder.

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Pioneer Alert:
All Pioneer Plasma displays and the one and only Kuro LCOS Front Projector will most likely be moving to list number 3 of 3 which is the discontinued list pending further information from Pioneer

According to this news release Pioneer will stake its future on its profitable car stereo business and will pull the plug on the money losing flat screen business.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/29065848

More details will be known on Thursday:
" In a statement, Pioneer said the news reports were not based on official information from the company. It said details on restructuring measures would be unveiled Thursday when it releases earnings."

Every single professional review has mentioned that the Pioneer plasma panels have the best picture quality compared to any other brand. Back in 2006 Pioneer was the first and only flat panel manufactory that released a 1080P display that processed 1080P/24 correctly at multiplies of the original frame rate. This feature was important to film fans and BLU-RAY player owners. What is disappointing is that the majority of consumers have spoken with their wallets and they are more interested in low prices compared to high quality. It is too bad that the high quality, medium quality, and low quality displays cannot coexist in this economy. Many people want under $1,000 1080P displays and the average consumer is not aware of important picture quality features like black levels, ANSI contrast ratios, and true 1080P/24 refresh rates.

The following displays will be moved to the discontinued list pending further verification from Pioneer.

Front Projectors

Pioneer PRO-FPJ1 LCOS Front Projector (96Hz refresh rate for 1080P/24) 60HZ sources are refreshed at 120HZ

Plasma (flat panel)

Pioneer Elite Kuro PRO-101FD 50” Plasma (72HZ)

Pioneer Elite Kuro PRO-141FD 60” Plasma (72HZ)

Pioneer Elite Kuro PRO-111FD 50” Plasma (72HZ)

Pioneer Elite Kuro PRO-151FD 60” Plasma (72HZ)

Pioneer Kuro PDP-5020FD 50” Plasma (72HZ)

Pioneer Kuro PDP-6020FD 60” Plasma (72HZ)




P.S.

It might be 2 or 3 years before we see a flat panel display that matches or beats the picture quality of existing 9G Pioneer Plasma's. Possible in a few years future LED LCD technology with 240HZ refresh rate (10:10 pulldown) will match or beat the Pioneer as long as viewing angle problems can be solved with LCD'S.

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^^^You know thats right , 9G Kuro's are something to behold. I hope they last a long time for me & all the others.
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Sharp AQUOS LC-46D85U March 2009 Home Theater Magazine review (pages 68-70)


This is the second professional review that mentions that the Sharp 85U series refreshes 1080P/24 correctly on the screen at 96HZ using 4:4 pulldown. What is even better is this LC-46D85U Sharp will always refresh 1080P/24 signals at 96HZ automatically regardless of menu settings. It use to be that Pioneer was the only flat panel on the market that automatically refreshed 1080P/24 correctly regardless of menu settings, it is nice to know Sharp has the same auto film feature. When a 1080P/24 signal from a BLU-RAY player is received Fine Motion Enhanced and 120HZ is automatically disabled and 4:4 pulldown 96HZ is automatically triggered on the Sharp LC-46D85U.

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"This set retains the advantages of film-based 1080p/24 sources all the way to the screen. According to Sharp, 24-Hz signals are displayed at 96Hz using 4:4 pulldown."

"As with many new LCD sets, the LC-46D85U operates at a native refresh rate of 120 hertz. Sharp's Fine Motion Enhanced feature is designed to make use of this higher refresh rate to reduce motion blur, which is common problem with LCD sets (though less so now than in the past). It adds new, interpolated frames to the source frames to smooth the motion and bring the refresh rate up to the panel's native 120 Hz. Fine Motion Enhanced cannot be used with 1080p/24 sources."

"The problem with this technique (variations of which are available in 120-Hz sets from all manufactories) is that it can make film-based material look like it was shot on video. The resulting smoothness is definitely not film-like. Some viewers don't dislike or even mind this. Others (including me) hate it. The good news here is that this effect is very subtle in the Sharp. The bad news is that the changes the Fine Motion Enhanced feature produces are so subtle, they had practically no visible effect on motion lag. Fortunately, the Sharp's inherent motion lag is relatively low. I left Fine Motion Enhanced off for all my tests."

http://hometheatermag.com/lcds/sharp...d85u_lcd_hdtv/

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