3D/2D Displays that support 3D & 2D & 24p at multiplies of the original frame rate

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

I would like to thank HDTV1080P for compiling this thread. It's an invaluable resource and I imagine a ton of work.

Thanks for your comments , and yes it is a ton of work. I wanted to also create a list of A/V receivers that passed 1080P/24 signals along with decoding all the advanced audio formats but I never started such a list since the 1080P/24 displays have been time consuming and I do not have time for other lists. Also for powered external active HDMI switches some of them do not pass 1080P/24 and that information would be useful.

[HDTV1080P]

Epson PowerLite Pro Cinema 1080 UB LCD Front Projector (review)

The Epson PowerLite Pro Cinema 1080 UB and Epson PowerLite Home Cinema 1080 UB both refresh 1080P/24 signals at 48HZ. The only difference between the home and pro versions is for an extra $1,000 the pro version has a replacement lamp, ceiling hardware included, ISF certification, and comes in black case instead of white.

Quotes from Ultimate A/V review link

“One welcome feature is a control called 2:2 Pulldown. When this control is enabled, a 1080p/24 video signal is displayed at 48Hz—each frame is repeated twice, just like in most commercial film projectors. This eliminates the judder of 3:2 pulldown when 1080p/24 is converted to 60Hz, as it is in most modern displays.”

"If you want to save $1000, check out Epson's PowerLite Home Cinema 1080 UB, which is essentially identical to the Pro version I reviewed. What do you miss in the Home version? A replacement lamp, ceiling-mount hardware, ISF certification, and a black case. (The Home Cinema 1080 UB's case is white.) The lamp and mounting hardware cost about $600 to buy separately, so if ISF certification and the color of the case aren't worth $400 to you, the Home Cinema 1080 UB is an excellent alternative.
As noted earlier, the Epson equaled or exceeded the black levels I've measured from all but one or two other projectors, most notably the JVC DLA-HD100. But some of those projectors produced brighter whites to go along with their deep blacks—in particular, the JVC DLA-RS1 (LCoS). The Planar PD8150 DLP model, with its DynamicBlack feature engaged, couldn't match the blacks from the Epson, but it was still good, with dramatically brighter whites—a combination that will benefit users who demand a larger screen. But both the JVC and the Planar are considerably more expensive than the Epson.
Taken as a whole, the Epson PowerLite Pro Cinema 1080 UB can hold its own with any of its competition. It was a pleasure to watch, with no serious flaws and a lot of genuine strengths. If it's in your price range, don't miss the opportunity to check it out."

"Highs

Excellent color and detail
Deep blacks and good shadow detail
Superb video processing in both HD and SD
Wide range of adjustments, including color-point calibration

Lows

Some color misalignment
Not as quiet as some of its competition"

http://ultimateavmag.com/videoprojectors/708epsonppc/index.html

[ussrelativity]

Does anyone know how the Samsung 7 series LCD handled 24p video at 120HZ? Can the motion feature be disabled, allowing the original feel of the 24p source with Blu-ray? If so, then wouldn't the same apply with the 9 series?

Also, does anyone know what the static contrast ratio is on the Samsung 9 series yet?

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by ussrelativity

Does anyone know how the Samsung 7 series LCD handled 24p video at 120HZ? Can the motion feature be disabled, allowing the original feel of the 24p source with Blu-ray? If so, then wouldn't the same apply with the 9 series?

Also, does anyone know what the static contrast ratio is on the Samsung 9 series yet?

If your talking about the Samsung 750 series the reviews are mentioning that the picture quality and features are better quality compared to the Sony XBR4 series and it handles 24fps material correctly.
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=991781&postcount=456

I plan on adding the new Samsung 850 and 950 series to the list soon. The Samsung 950 series has a dynamic contrast ratio of 2,000,000:1 but the more important ANSI contrast ratio number is unknown at this time. Currently Pioneer plasma is the best quality in flat panel but if Samsung and others keep improving on LCD screens perhaps one day LCD’s will be better quality then Plasma. LCD screens need to do a 10:10 pulldown at 240HZ and offer deeper blacks then if and when that happens they should be better quality compared to a plasma screen at 72HZ. Of course Plasma screens keep improving every year on black levels and perhaps one day will refresh at 120HZ when and if 240HZ LCD screens appear on the market. Currently a Pioneer Plasma at 72HZ will out perform any 120HZ LCD on the market in terms of picture quality.

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New Samsung LCD flat panel’s added to the list and some moved to the discontinued list

The following Samsung LCD flat panels have been moved to list 3 of 3 which is the discontinued out of production 1080P/24 displays

Samsung LN-T4069F (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Auto Motion Plus (AMP) is turned off)

Samsung LN-T4669F (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Auto Motion Plus (AMP) is turned off)

Samsung LN-T4071F (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Auto Motion Plus (AMP) is turned off)

Samsung LN-T4671F (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Auto Motion Plus (AMP) is turned off)

Samsung LN-T5271F (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Auto Motion Plus (AMP) is turned off)


The following new Sasmung LCD flat panels have been added to list 2 of 3 which is the current in production 1080P/24 LCD flat panel displays.

Samsung LN-40A630 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Auto Motion Plus (AMP) is turned off)

Samsung LN-46A630 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Auto Motion Plus (AMP) is turned off)

Samsung LN-52A630 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Auto Motion Plus (AMP) is turned off)

Samsung LN-46A850 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Auto Motion Plus (AMP) is turned off)

Samsung LN-46A950 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Auto Motion Plus (AMP) is turned off)

Samsung LN-55A950 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Auto Motion Plus (AMP) is turned off)


According to the official Samsung PDF spec sheet links all the above displays use the Auto Motion Plus feature. When Auto Motion Plus is turned off 1080P/24 is correctly refreshed on the screen at 120HZ without using the 3/2 pulldown process.

Warning about the Samsung spec sheets:

I have noticed many errors with incorrect information while reading Samsung spec sheets. For example the Samsung flat panel displays have only 1 RF input but the spec sheets mention 2 RF inputs.
A few error examples with the Samsung official spec sheets:
Samsung LN52A750 and LN40A650 has one RF input when one looks at the back of the display just like all the rest of the 2008 Samsungs I have seen.
The spec sheet lists two RF inputs which is in error.
http://www.samsung.com/us/system/consumer/product/2008/05/27/ln52a750r1fxza/LN52A750_spec.pdf

http://www.samsung.com/us/system/consumer/product/2008/03/28/ln40a650a1fxza/ln40a650_spec.pdf

The error on listing an extra RF input jack on the Samsung LCD flat panels is not the only error that can be found. The latest Samsung BD-P1500 BLU-RAY player official spec sheet mentions that an S-Video output terminal is included. The spec sheet is in error again. Just take a look on the back of a Samsung BD-P1500 and there is no S-Video jack at all for people that have old legacy 480I TV sets like the official spec sheet mentions.

http://www.samsung.com/us/system/consumer/product/2008/05/22/bd_p1500xaa/bdp1500_spec.pdf

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Panasonic 800U and 850U series have been removed from the list

Panasonic TH-50PZ800U (48HZ Plasma) (Warning unwatchable flicker at 48HZ)

Panasonic TH-46PZ800U (48HZ Plasma) (Warning unwatchable flicker at 48HZ)

Panasonic TH-42PZ800U (48HZ Plasma) (Warning unwatchable flicker at 48HZ)

Panasonic TH-65PZ850U(48HZ Plasma) (Warning unwatchable flicker at 48HZ)

Panasonic TH-58PZ850U(48HZ Plasma) (Warning unwatchable flicker at 48HZ)

Panasonic TH-50PZ850U(48HZ Plasma) (Warning unwatchable flicker at 48HZ)

Panasonic TH-46PZ850U(48HZ Plasma) (Warning unwatchable flicker at 48HZ)

Originally the Panasonic 800U and 850U series were added to the list since technically the displays do bypass the 3/2 pulldown process and display 1080P/24 correctly on the screen at 48HZ (with an unwatchable flicker). When I added the 800U and 850U series to the list there was a big red warning link that let people know that the display is unwatchable when a 1080P/24 signal is applied at the native 48HZ refresh rate mode. It is ridiculous to have the 800U and 850U on the list since one cannot use the 48HZ refresh rate of the display since it is unwatchable. I was hoping that Panasonic would have issued a firmware update to correct this problem.
The fact remains that the only watchable Plasma screen on the market that correctly refreshes 1080P/24 at multiplies of the original frame is the Pioneer brand of Plasma screens. The very first Plasma screen with true 1080P/24 is the Pioneer Elite PRO-FHD1 Plasma and it was introduced back in 2006. For two years Pioneer has been the only watchable Plasma manufactory that correctly refreshes BLU-RAY 1080P/24 signals just like a 35mm film projector. Pioneer is also the only flat panel that automatically selects the correct multiplies of the original frame rate when a 1080P/24 signal is applied regardless of the menu settings. So far every single 120HZ 5:5 pulldown LCD flat panel screen requires the consumer to make special adjustments inside the menu so that 1080P/24 is displayed correctly on the screen.
In the future any other brand or model that has an unwatchable picture when a 1080P/24 signal is applied will not be added to the list. Most consumers are not educated enough on how to setup their displays. Most people that purchase the 800U or 850U and connect it to a BLU-RAY player just leave the Panasonic at the default setting of 60HZ which has no advantage of 1080P/24 signals. The smarter consumers will place the Panasonic 800U and 850U in the 48HZ mode and their BLU-RAY player in the 1080P/24 mode. Then in the 48HZ mode the Panasonic 800U and 850U series has a unwatchable flicker and most consumers will place the display back in the 60HZ mode.

Click on the red link for the 800U and 850U above to see more detailed information about this problem.

[dalemissen]

Thanks for a most educational and valued post...

I was so confused as to why the 800U wasn't on the list until this last page...

I was looking at buying this set in the next couple of weeks, but may decide on something else now? Can the Real Cinema 24 thing be turned off and play normal? Are the results still poor with higher Hz playing BR discs supporting this format???

So confused now!?

Edit, just re read the post, you say that "The fact remains that the only watchable Plasma screen on the market that correctly refreshes 1080P/24 at multiplies of the original frame is the Pioneer brand of Plasma screens"... So what about refreshing at the normal 24? Is that watchable? Sorry for the noob questions...

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by dalemissen

Thanks for a most educational and valued post...

I was so confused as to why the 800U wasn't on the list until this last page...

I was looking at buying this set in the next couple of weeks, but may decide on something else now? Can the Real Cinema 24 thing be turned off and play normal? Are the results still poor with higher Hz playing BR discs supporting this format???

So confused now!?

Edit, just re read the post, you say that "The fact remains that the only watchable Plasma screen on the market that correctly refreshes 1080P/24 at multiplies of the original frame is the Pioneer brand of Plasma screens"... So what about refreshing at the normal 24? Is that watchable? Sorry for the noob questions...

I am sorry for the confusion. Hopefully what I am about to say will clear things up. 35mm and 70mm film is filmed at 24 frames per second. When film is projected on the screen in the theater it is always flashed on the screen at 48HZ or 72HZ or other multiplies of 24. There is no film projectors or consumer video displays that refreshes the image on the screen at 24 frames per second because the image would be unwatchable with a flicker. So any display that accepts 1080P/24 input cannot display the image at 24 frames per second since a unwatchable flicker would occur. 99% of all BLU-RAY movie discs are encoded with 1080P/24 and 100% of all current in production and most out of production BLU-RAY players will output 1080P/24. Many 1080P displays that accept 1080P/24 signals from a BLU-RAY player will convert the signal to 60HZ using a 3:2 pulldown process in order to offer a 1080P display at a lower cost to the consumer. The problem with 60HZ 3:2 pulldown is it adds judder to fast and slow moving camera pans located in the movie. For consumers that want a natural film quality look without the 3:2 pulldown judder the display must refresh the image on the screen at 48HZ, 72HZ, 96HZ, 120HZ, or higher multiplies of 24.
Over the years I have owned Panasonic products and they make some very excellent products in general. For most consumers the 800U and 850U is a great Plasma to watch HD satellite, HD cable, and other sources. The Panasonic 800U and 850U series will also produce an excellent BLU-RAY picture at 1080P as long as 60HZ refresh is used. If the 48HZ refresh mode on the Panasonic did not have the unwatchable flicker problem the BLU-RAY quality would even look better with a more natural film quality look instead of 60HZ video look.
The Panasonic 800U and 850U are Panasonic’s very first models that offer true multiplies of the original frame rate. Both the 800U and 850U refresh the 1080P/24 signal on the screen at 48HZ when that mode is selected in the menu. The problem is according to many user reports and several professional reviews when 48HZ is selected the Panasonic 800U and 850U is unwatchable. The reason I added the Panasonic to the list was technically it does accept a 1080P/24 signal and refresh the image at 48HZ. When I added it to the list I made it clear with a big red warning note that the image was unwatchable if the 48HZ film mode was used. I was hoping that the unwatchable flicker at 48HZ would be fixed with a firmware update.
I then realized that it was ridiculous to have a display on the list and right next to that display a warning message saying that if you use the 48HZ true film mode you will not be able to watch it in that mode since there is an unwatchable flicker. I then decided to make a policy change to the list to not include any display on the list that was unwatchable when the true 1080P/24 film mode is turned on. The Panasonic 800U and 850U were the only display on the list that has an unwatchable flicker when a BLU-RAY player is properly connected.

800U review link
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=952557&postcount=448
850U review link
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=1005174&postcount=469

[HDTV1080P]

Panasonic TH-50PZ800U September 2008 Sound and Vision review link
(800U will not be added to the list because of unwatchable flicker issue)

Here is another review on the Panasonic 800U that mentions the flickering problem when a 1080P/24 signal is applied. Hopefully future models of Panasonic will correct this issue so that BLU-RAY videophiles will have more then one brand of true 1080P/24 Plasma displays to choose from.


Quote from Sound and Vision (September review)


“Although the TV's 24p input mode mostly worked well, smoothing out picture judder in movie scenes with camera pans when the 48-Hz option was selected, it also caused the screen to flicker a bit. The effect could mostly be seen in shots with bright backgrounds such as snow or sky. Once I noticed it, the flickering was tough to ignore, so I decided to use the set's 60-Hz display option for all of my viewing.”

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/hdtvs/2906/panasonic-th-50pz800u-performance-page2.html

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Toshiba LCD Flat Panel 52XF550U (second review link)

Originally in a prior post I mentioned that according to Sound and Vision review link and Toshiba’s spec sheets that the XV540U and XF550U series are both true 5:5 pulldown displays.

Quote
“When sending a 1080p/24 signal to the TV from a Blu-ray player, the Standard mode engages 5:5 pulldown (each original film frame that's been encoded to video is displayed five times to hit the TV's 120-Hz refresh rate).”

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/hdt...-lcd-hdtv.html

New comparison review mentions that the Toshiba 52XF550U has better picture quality compared to Sony XBR4 (black level) but the Samsung LN52A750 is still the best LCD display reviewed in terms of picture quality

The new Samsung LN55A950 LCD flat panel in theory once reviewed should have better picture quality compared to the existing Samsung LN52A750. I am sure Sony will also release some new XBR displays to try and beat Samsung and Toshiba LCD displays black levels. It is great to see so much competition in the LCD world to keep improving true 1080P/24 display picture quality. It is too bad Pioneer is the only Plasma brand to choose from when it comes to the true 1080P/24 feature. Plasma screens still have a better picture quality then LCD screens I just wish there was more Plasma screens to choose from that offer 1080P/24 refresh rates.

Toshiba new LCD screens are excellent quality

Quotes from Ultimateavmag

“At $3300, the Toshiba is $100 more than the Samsung LN52A750 and $700 less than the Sony KDL-52XBR4. Of the three, I prefer the Samsung with its better blacks, frame interpolation, connectivity features, and user interface. The Toshiba beats the Sony's effective blacks, and while their menu systems are very different, I don't particularly like either one. The Toshiba has a much thinner bezel than either of the others, which could be important for buyers with limited space.
There are many things to like about the Toshiba 52XF550U, including detail, color, shadow detail, and black level, the last of which was better than most LCD TVs can manage, at least with a low backlight setting. The 120Hz frame interpolation caused some artifacts in some test patterns, but not with real-world content. Then again, it didn't seem to help much, either.
On the downside, I was unable to fully calibrate the grayscale, though I didn't see any big problems in real-world material because of it. And while the color points were way off out of the box, the ColorMaster controls let me dial them in beautifully—just don't try it at home unless you have a colorimeter and know how to use it.
All in all, the 52XF550U is worthy of serious consideration.

Highs
Great color and detail
Excellent blacks and shadow detail
Color points can be shifted to near-perfection

Lows
Frame interpolation doesn't seem to do much
Standard-def processing not great
Grayscale can't be fully calibrated”
http://ultimateavmag.com/flatpaneldisplays/708tosh550u/index4.html

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Should the Panasonic 800U and 850U be added to the list again?

I have received an email from a person claiming to be a Panasonic 800U owner. This person informed me that the unwatchable flicker problem that the professional reviewers have mentioned does occur at 48HZ but then after around 75 hours after the Panasonics Plasma break in period the flicker issue improved and the display was watchable again. I do realize that film even in the theaters when refreshed at 48HZ has a small amount of natural flicker. If the Panasonics 48HZ refresh mode is watchable after 75 hours then the display should be added to the list again.

This is a complicated issue. Technically the Panasonic has 48HZ refresh but then since it was reported that the mode makes it unwatchable I decided to remove it from the list after making a policy change to remove any display that is unwatchable when a 1080P/24 signal is applied at multiplies of the original frame rate.

Here is a copy of the comments I received in email from a Panasonic 800U user

"I wanted to add something about the flicker in the Panasonic 800U plasma's 48Hz mode. I was bothered by it at first with the brightest scenes, but the effect is essentially non-existent after about 75 hours of use. I have experience with CRT projectors that refresh at 48Hz, and the flicker with this plasma is nowhere near on the same level.

Anyway, you'll find that a lot of 800U owners use the 48Hz mode for 1080p/24 signals. I can no longer notice the flicker at all when viewing in a darkened room. It seems that one's eyes adjust to it and/or the display breaks-in where the effect is significantly mitigated. If I were a reviewer and had limited time with the display like CNET did, then I would definitely note the 48Hz mode as being "unwatchable." But, as an owner who's spent a good amount of time with it, I will now say that the 48Hz mode is desired. The clarity and smoothness that this mode provides with virtually no artifacts is quite impressive.

I just wanted to add my perspective on this issue as an 800U owner who can be obsessive over audio/video quality.”

[HDTV1080P]

Panasonic 800U and 850U added to the list again

Important list Policy change info

The list will continue to include only USA displays that offer an option to bypass the 3/2 pulldown process and refresh the image on the screen at multiplies of 24 frames per second when a 1080P/24 signal is applied. The list will also continue to include the brands and models of displays that some professional reviewers feel do not offer much improvement in quality between 60HZ and true 24P BLU-RAY film mode.

Changes made to the list policy

I have decided to once again add any brand and model of display that a professional reviewer mentions as being “unwatchable” or “unwatchable flicker”. What I will try and do is mark the displays on the list in red with a link to the quote that mentions the display is unwatchable when the true 1080P/24 film mode is turned on. It is possible that to some people a flicker on the screen for some brands and models of displays is watchable and to another group of people the image is unwatchable.
I never thought I would run into a review that mentions a display is unwatchable in true 1080P/24 mode at 48HZ. This has been a difficult decision for me but I think it is in the best interest for the individual consumer to determine if a flicker on the screen is watchable or not watchable. Still since every review on the Panasonic 800U and 850U has mentioned a flicker problem or “unwatchable flicker” problem at 48HZ the list needs to have a warning with a link mentioning the issue. It would be awesome if a future firmware update could some how fix this issue.

[HDTV1080P]

3 New Hitachi 48HZ Plasma flat panels have been added to the list

· 50-inch S-Series (model P50S602): $2,699

· 50-inch V-Series (model P50V702): $3,199

· 50-inch X-Series (model P50X902): $3,699

Hitachi P50X902 (48HZ Plasma) Click link to the left to see Hitachi spec sheet

Hitachi P50V702 (48HZ Plasma) Click link to the left to see Hitachi spec sheet

Hitachi P50S602 (48HZ Plasma) Click link to the left to see Hitachi spec sheet

Quote from Hitachi press release

"The new PictureMaster™ VI digital video processor features the second generation of Hitachi’s Reel60™ technology, a patented innovation that eliminates “judder” for the ultimate in smooth, clear motion. The new HDTV’s also debut a new feature for film fans called Cinema48™. Working exclusively with 24p HDMI inputs, Cinema48™ provides viewers with the same visual timing and feeling that they experience in movie theaters.”.

http://www.hitachi.us/Apps/hitachicom/content.jsp?page=PressReleases/details/06122008_2.html&path=jsp/hitachi/aboutus/Press-Media/

The Hitachi P50X902 and P50V702 include a free weekly on screen TV guide. The Hitachi P50S602 includes a free daily on screen TV guide. I would like to see a review on the Hitachi P50X902. The P50X902 appears to be a high quality display with a two year parts and labor warranty and custom white balance with digital color management control. The Hitachi’s only have 3 HDMI inputs. Other brands like Pioneer and Samsung flat panels have 4 HDMI inputs.

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The Samsung LN52A550 will not be added to the list since it is a 60HZ only display

Quote
“The set's HDMI ports are also compatible with the 1080p24 (24 Hz) video signals that some Blu-ray disc players, such as the Panasonic DMP-BD30, can provide. However, the 60-Hz display technology lacks the frame interpolation/repeating capabilities of the more costly 120-Hz–enabled sets such as the LN52A750 and the LG 47LG60, capabilities that can minimize the judder that occurs when 24-Hz material is converted for display at 60 Hz.”

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2326476,00.asp

[BettiePage]

does this model qualify?

It has 120HZ but does it do 5:5 when it's turned off... assuming you can turn it off that is.

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product...rodid=11267656

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Originally Posted by BettiePage

does this model qualify?

It has 120HZ but does it do 5:5 when it's turned off... assuming you can turn it off that is.

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product...rodid=11267656

This is a unique display you have found at Costco. This model is Costco exclusive and basically is a little less quality then a XBR4. The model number for this display does not show up on the Sony website but according to the Costco link you provided it uses the exact same 120HZ with motionflow feature as does all other 120HZ Sony’s. When motionflow (Sony's motion Enhancer) is turned off the Sony 120HZ displays become a true 5:5 pulldown display. I see the Costco warranty on this display includes a two year extended warranty and a 90 day return policy. I am sure Costco will sale many of these 52” 1080P displays for $2,599.99.

[HDTV1080P]

2 New Mitsubishi LCD flat panels have been added to the list

The Mitsubishi 149 series flat panels bypass the 3:2 pulldown process when a 1080P/24 signal is applied and smooth film motion is turned off.

Mitsubishi LT-46149 Simplay HD certified for maximum HDCP compatibility

Mitsubishi LT-52149 Simplay HD certified for maximum HDCP compatibility

149 SERIES SPEC SHEET

http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/img/696202/LT-52149%20Product%20Specifications.pdf

1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ without 3:2 pulldown (also called 2:3 pulldown) when Smooth Film Motion is turned off.

According to the spec sheet above the 149 series has the same smooth 120HZ film motion that CNET reviewed in detail on the 148 series. The major difference between the 148 and 149 series is the 149 series has a built in cable card (one way cable box) and on screen interactive TV guide.

Quote from CNET on the 148 series review
“We also checked out how the Mitsubishi handled a 1080p/24 source by setting our PS3 in that mode and turning off the TV's Smooth 120 dejudder processing. The result was the best we'd seen so far from the set. Like the Sony and the Samsung, the 120Hz Mitsubishi displayed the 24-frame source faithfully, with standard film judder but without the characteristic extra hitching motion caused by the 2:3 pull-down process (which isn't necessary with 120Hz TVs displaying 24-frame content). Compared with the Panasonic, which we set at the standard 60Hz mode, the pan over the aircraft carrier, for example, looked more natural and smoother (in a good way!) on the 120Hz LCDs than on the Panasonic plasma. Of course, to most viewers the difference will be subtle, but for people with Blu-ray players who pay attention, it's worth it.”

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/mitsubishi-lt-46148/4505-6482_7-32924014.html

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Pioneer Kuro PDP-6020FD Plasma

Sept 2008 Home Theater review info

On page 68-71 of the September 2008 Home Theater magazine, Thomas J Norton has written a review on the Pioneer KURO PDP-6020FD. Overall the picture quality is better on this new 9th generation display compared to the 8th generation display but the cheaper priced 9th generation comes at a cost with reduced features compared to last years model. In a prior post I went into details about the inputs in the back that were eliminated and other features that were eliminated to cut cost on the new 9th generation Pioneer’s. Thomas J. Norton over at Homer Theater magazine mentions the remote control is not as good this year and the menus on the non Elite’s this year offer no color-temp control and other menu settings are not included to simplify the menus. The new Elite and Signature series which cost more will offer these advanced adjustments.
An excellent feature that only Pioneer offers is that it is currently the only flat panel brand that will automatically turn on the true 1080P/24 film mode when one inputs a 1080P/24 signal from a BLU-RAY player, then the flat panel refreshes the image properly at 72HZ regardless of any menu settings. All other Plasma and LCD flat panel screens so far that I have seen and have read reviews of all require consumers to mess around with the motion features or other settings need to be changed in order to properly display 1080P/24 like a film projector. It is so nice and easy for the consumer to just place their BLU-RAY player on 1080P/24 and the Pioneer will automatically do the rest in terms of properly displaying the 72HZ film rate.

Highlights from the Home Theater review

“However, if your program material is already at 1080p/24, the Pioneer automatically converts it to a display frame rate of 72fps (using repeated frames, not interpolation), regardless of the PureCinema control setting.”

“State-of-the-art black level, shadow detail, and contrast ratio”

“Color temperatures are inaccurate and cannot be calibrated”

“Some video processing artifacts”

“The Pioneer remote lacks backlighting, and it has smaller buttons than the remote that came with last year’s model.”

“Pioneer clearly made a concerted effort to simplify the operation of its standard sets. However, this simplification comes at a price. The set includes few specialized controls:no color space options, no gamma settings, no noise reduction, no enhancements, and no other special tweaks.”
“Perhaps most important, none of the picture modes offers any color-temperature control. They don’t even provide fixed settings such as Low, Middle, and High. Plus, according to Pioneer, you can’t calibrate the gray scale, even via the hidden service menu. You just get what the factory ordered, no more and no less. This would not be a problem if one or more of the modes adhered closely to the D65 color temperature standard. But none of them does.”
“Potential buyers should know that the new Pioneer Elite sets and the new Signature Series monitors will offer extensive adjustments. Thankfully, they will both include full calibration controls for color temperature.”

Conclusions
“The Pioneer KURO PDP-6020FD excels in far more than just blacks. But I can’t overstate the importance of rich blacks, particulary if you are a movie fan. I never once wished for deeper blacks or better shadow detail. “
“Yet, I do wish that the set’s color temperature were more accurate. And I don’t like to see any manufacturer eliminate the ablity to correct color-temperature deviations. I particularly don’t like to see Pioneer do it, since its sets are arguably the best on the market. For that reason, my recommendation here is less enthusiastic than it might have been otherwise.”
“But unless another manufacturer springs an unexpected surprise, Pioneer’s ninth-generation plasma will be the sets to beat this year.”

WEBLINK
http://hometheatermag.com/plasmadisplays/908piokuro/

[lgrangjr]

Does anyone know if the Sharp 52SE94 lcd or the Samsung 61A750 led dlp displays 1080p/24 sources correctly?

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Originally Posted by lgrangjr

Does anyone know if the Sharp 52SE94 lcd or the Samsung 61A750 led dlp displays 1080p/24 sources correctly?

The Sharp LC-52SE94U most likely will take a 1080P/24 signal and use a 3:2 pulldown process and convert the image to 60HZ. Then the 60HZ image is frame doubled to 120HZ. I am not sure if the Sharp LC-52SE94U properly does a 5:5 pulldown when a 1080P/24 signal is applied. I looked at the specs but it did not mention how 1080P/24 is handled. One will need to wait for a professional review to know for sure.
To my understanding the Samsung HL61A750 and all other current rear projectors on the market from all manufactories that are still making rear projectors use a 3:2 pulldown process when a 1080P/24 signal is applied. There is no advantage to 1080P/24 when 3:2 pulldown is used. The only two manufactories that I know of that did offer true 1080P/24 refresh rates for rear projectors was Sony and NuVision. Both Sony and NuVision no longer make rear projectors and those models are listed on list number 3 which is the out of production list.