There are now a total of 6 lists of 1080P/24 displays:
1. List 1 of 6 contains all the current in production Front Projectors and Plasma Screens that handle 1080P/24 correctly.
2. List 2 of 6 contains all the different versions of LCD screens with LED backlighting that handle 1080P/24 correctly and that are currently in production.
3. List 3 of 6 contains all the Standard LCD screens that handles 1080P/24 correctly and that are currently in production (Part 1, Brands A-R).
4. List 4 of 6 contains all the Standard LCD screens that handles 1080P/24 correctly and that are currently in production (Part 2, Brands S-Z).
5. List 5 of 6 contains the discontinued 1080P/24 display technologies except for standard LCD screens.
6. List 6 of 6 contains all the discontinued 1080P/24 Standard LCD screens.
Note: When I say "handle 1080p/24 correctly", I mean the display according to research has a mode that will display 24fps images on the screen at multiplies of the original frame rate just like a movie projector (no 3:2 pulldown and no frame interpolation).
Many consumers like frame interpolation since it makes film based sources have a artificial smooth video type of look. Most film fans like the repeating frame method since it eliminates 3:2 pulldown judder during camera pans and the image has a natural film quality look during fast moving action.
Last edited by HDTV1080P; 02-08-2010 at 03:27 AM.
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The 8500UB is basically the same as the 9500UB (the latter will support anamorphic lenses and has a 3yr warranty instead of 2) so the 8500UB should be added to the list.
The 8500UB is basically the same as the 9500UB (the latter will support anamorphic lenses and has a 3yr warranty instead of 2) so the 8500UB should be added to the list.
Thanks for the info. I am currently looking in the manual for that model and plan on adding it to the list soon.
Correction to the refresh rate for the EPSON PowerLite Pro Cinema 7100 LCD Front Projector
Originally Widescreen Review magazine reported that the EPSON PowerLite Pro Cinema 7100 LCD Front Projector was going to have a 96Hz refresh rate once it was released. Actual release according to the Epson manual is 48HZ refresh rate for 1080P/24. The list has been updated to 48HZ refresh rate.
The following 4 EPSON Front Projectors are now on the list
The Epson PowerLite Home Cinema 8100 and 8500 both correctly refresh 1080p/24 signals at multiplies of the original frame rate.
1.(8100): According to page 38 of the instruction manual the 8100 will do a 2-2 pulldown (48HZ) for 1080p/24 material. Click link below User's Guide
2. (8500): According to page 39 of the instruction manual the 8500 has true film quality 4-4 pulldown method (improved refresh rate of 96HZ compared to 48HZ models). Also the 8500 offers frame interpolation feature for those consumers that like the smooth artificial video quality look instead of a natural film look. User's Guide
The Epson PowerLite Pro Cinema 9100 and 9500 both correctly refresh 1080p/24 signals at multiplies of the original frame rate.
3. (9100): According to page 38 of the instruction manual the 9100 will do a 2-2 pulldown (48HZ) for 1080p/24 material. Click link below User's Guide
4. (9500): According to page 39 of the instruction manual the 9500 has true film quality 4-4 pulldown method (improved refresh rate of 96HZ compared to 48HZ models). Also the 9500 offers frame interpolation feature for those consumers that like the smooth artificial video quality look instead of a natural film look. User's Guide
The following 6 new JVC Front Projectors have been added to the list
JVC makes state of the art Front Projectors and is known as the industry leader in native contrast ratio with very deep black levels. This years 2010 models have a better picture quality when compared to last years models. Review link follows this post. All 6 Projectors have a true 4:4 pulldown mode and refresh 1080P/24 signals at 96HZ. Also a reverse 2-3 pulldown (also known as 3-2 pulldown) mode is offered on this years models when watching film based 480i and 1080i sources.
1. JVC DLA-RS35 List Price $9,999.95 70,000:1 Native Contrast Ratio
The JVC DLA-RS35U LCOS ceiling mounted Front Projector is the new reference quality projector that all other projectors will be compared to this year.
New State of the art THX certified JVC DLA-RS35U Front Projector is the best of the best.
(Also the true film quality 24fps feature mentioned in this review applies to all the 2010 model JVC projectors located on the list).
All 2010 model 1080P JVC Front Projectors have a true 4:4 pulldown mode and refresh 1080P/24 signals at 96HZ. Also a reverse 2-3 pulldown (also known as 3-2 pulldown) mode is offered on this years models when watching film based 480i and 1080i sources (Film Mode must be set to Film to use this reverse 3-2 pulldown feature).
A new "120Hz Clear Motion Drive" that uses a algorithm to add new frames using a interpolation method is also a option this year. This interpolation of new frames feature can be turned off for those that prefer the film quality repeating of the original frame rate method.
(The following are select quotes taken from the January/February 2010 Widescreen Review magazine)
"Judder (irregular stuttering motion) is created when 3-2 pulldown
is used to convert 24-frame-per-second film to 60-field-per-second
interlaced video, or 3-2 frame repetition is used to create 60-frame-per-
second progressive video from film sources. Many people have
become conditioned to ignore the stuttering motion after years of
watching movies on broadcast television. However, other people are
greatly disturbed by this temporal artifact, and even those accustomed
to the judder of broadcast movies are usually quick to appreciate
the smoother motion provided by displaying film sources at an
integer multiple of the original 24-frame-per-second film rate.
Fortunately, movies are stored on Blu-ray™ (and HD-DVD) discs
with their original 24-frame-per-second film rate, and all current players
output 1080p24 native video. Some standalone video processors
can also deinterlace and upconvert DVD movies to produce 1080p24
signals without 3-2 frame repetition judder."
"The RS35 accepts 1080p24 signals through its HDMI inputs and displays them at an integer multiple of the 24 Hz frame rate. I believe this is so important to reproducing the look of film that I wouldn’t consider purchasing a projector or a video processor without those abilities."
"A new feature has been added to the RS35 that allows it to perform
inverse-telecine deinterlacing on 480i and 1080i signals from film sources
and then display them at an integer multiple of the 24 Hz film frame
rate, rather than displaying them at 60 frames per second using 3-2 frame repetition. The Film Mode must be set to Film (not Auto) to take
advantage of this capability. This built-in feature is particularly valuable
for viewing high-definition movies from satellite or cable."
" Even if those obvious artifacts were completely eliminated, I still
wouldn’t have liked Clear Motion Drive on movies. I want film to look
like film, and it doesn’t with frame interpolation. Motion looks like it
occurs in a viscous fluid, even on the Low setting. It’s the opposite
effect of 3-2 pulldown, which makes film motion irregular. The CMD
makes the 24 Hz film motion look and feel like video."
" The new DLA-RS35U D-ILA® video projector is the crown
jewel of JVC’s recently updated 1080p Reference Series of
home theatre projectors. The DLA-RS35U ($9,995) utilizes
selected optical components, and selected and matched D-ILA
devices, to become the industry leader in native contrast ratio performance. The RS35 easily surpassed last year’s RS20, to produce the highest native contrast ratio I have ever measured from a lamp-based projector."
"The 1080p Reference Series also includes the new DLA-RS15U
($5,495) and DLA-RS25U ($7,995). They replace the previous generation
DLA-RS10U and DLA-RS20U, but have the same
contrast ratio specifications of 32,000:1 and 50,000:1 respectively.
The RS35 has the same feature set as the RS25, but its selected
components raise its contrast ratio spec to 70,000:1, and its
warranty has been increased to three years. All three of the new
projectors now include inverse-telecine processing to re-create
the original 24p frame rate from 480i or 1080i film-sources, and
JVC’s 120 Hz Clear Motion Drive video processing."
" The RS35 measured approximately the same brightness as the
RS20, but produced significantly higher full-field (on-off) contrast
Ratios."
" The RS35 has by far the best native contrast performance I’ve measured from a lamp-based projector, and yet it still produces excellent brightness for moderately large home theatre screens."
" The RS35 produced spatially “pixel perfect” images from 1080p60,
1080p50, and 1080p24 HDMI signals. No pixels were blanked, and
each incoming pixel was precisely mapped to a single projector pixel
without scaling. The projector’s Reon-VX video processor also deinterlaced
static 1080i test patterns to “pixel perfect” 1080p images."
" I was quite satisfied with the sharpness, which exceeds any CRT projector, and film images never look artificially edgy."
" The RS35 surpasses the RS20 in contrast performance and image depth, and equals it in all other respects. All of my DVD and high-definition movie viewing utilized the 24p display capabilities of the RS35 (and RS20) to eliminate 3-2 frame repetition judder. That is a critical factor in duplicating the experience of watching film at a cinema."
" The JVC DLA-RS35U video projector produced the most outstanding
film images I’ve experienced in a home theatre. Its native
full-field contrast ratio is an amazing technical achievement—surpassing
its predecessor as the new leader in the industry. It produces
superlative black levels and unprecedented contrast in dark
scenes, which allows a CRT-like gamma to be used to render exceptional
image depth in brighter scenes. The fully adjustable 6-axis
color-management system (CMS) permits the color gamut to be precisely
calibrated to both standard-definition and high-definition colorimetry
standards. The CMS and built-in gamma creation functions,
combined with unrivaled native contrast performance, make the DLA-RS35U my preferred reference projector."
It is good to support ones local dealer or retail store when purchasing Front Projectors. For those that are into self installs there is some excellent prices that can be found on JVC Front Projectors if one searches the Internet or EBAY. Some mail order places claim to be authorized JVC dealers.
JVC DLA-RS35 list price $9,999.99. Mail order prices around $6,070.
JVC DLA-RS25 list price $7,999.99. Mail order prices around $5,600.
JVC DLA-RS15 list price $5,500. Mail order prices around $3,850.
JVC DLA-HD950 Front Projector (April 2010 Home Theater Magazine review)
On pages 40-43 of the April 2010 Home Theater magazine is a review on the JVC DLA-HD950. What was surprising about this review is it mentions that the JVC DLA-HD950 black levels are not as good as some previous JVC projectors that Home Theater magazine has reviewed. The JVC LCOS Front Projectectors still do not have as good as black levels as a Pioneer Kuro plasma (JVC black levels are still better than any other brand of Front Projector). The ideal display or Front Projector should have as deep as black levels as a 9 inch CRT. Even the last generation Pioneer Kuro does not have as deep as blacks as the best discontinued CRT's. The 10th generation Pioneers were suppose to match the quality of CRT black levels but they were never released since Pioneer left the plasma business. Hopefully future JVC Front Projectors will improve on the black levels. Maybe one day in several years the black levels might match a Pioneer Kuro or even match the quality of a 9 inch CRT.
The JVC Front Projectors will refresh 1080p/24 material at 96HZ using true 4:4 pulldown when the 120HZ Clear Motion Drive is turned off.
The following are select quotes from the April 2010 Home Theater review
"The projector incorporates JVC's 120Hz Clear Motion Drive, a selectable 120-hertz feature designed to produce smoother motion. When 120Hz Clear Motion Drive is off, the JVC's processor stage doubles a 1080p/24 source to 48 frames per second. Then it flashes this 48-fps result on the screen twice, for an effective on-screen refresh rate of 96Hz. If you turn on 120Hz Clear Motion Drive, it will interpolate rather than just repeat the required added frames to reach the effective refresh rate of 120Hz. With a 1080p/60 source(or a lower-resolution source that's first upconverted and/or deinterlaced to 1080p/60), it flashes each frame twice to reach a 120-Hz refresh rate. It will either repeat the extra frame (120Hz Clear Motion Drive off) or interpolate it (120Hz Clear Motion Drive on)."
"For those who are wondering if the 120Hz refresh rate makes this projector compatible with 3D, the answer is no."
"JVC's 120Hz Clear Motion Drive worked as I expected. It provided smoother motion, with a video-like look on film-based material. This result is common to all motion compensation that's based on frame interpolation. I didn't use it for any of my serious viewing."
"Surprisingly, the DLA-HD950 didn't exceed the best black levels we've measured on earlier JVCs."
"In fact, some previous JVCs that have passed through our doors have measured better than the DLA-HD950, but not by much."
"When black bars show up, they don't disappear as they often do on a Pioneer KURO plasma in a darkened room, but I can't name a projector that can do better."
The following 5 new NuVision LCD displays have been added to the list
NuVision LCD displays use true 5:5 pulldown technology and refresh the image on the screen at 120HZ.
Quote " FX5 technology eliminates the need for the 3:2 pulldown algorithm by simply displaying each frame 5 times on the display – creating an effective rate of 120 frames per second and a true motion picture experience."
On pages 44-47 of the April 2010 Home Theater magazine there is a review on the NuVision NVU55FX5LS LCD display. At a list price of $5,999 this 120HZ LCD with Edge-Lit LED backlighting display is very expensive. The 240HZ 55 inch Samsung UNB8500 that uses LCD with Local Dimming LED backlighting has a better picture quality and only lists for $4,499.99.
The following are select word for word quotes from the Home Theater magazine review
"The FX5 setting performs 5:5 pulldown on 24-fps sources, but it repeats the frames instead of interpolating them. The set performed the same on 1080p/24 sources whether it was on or off."
"The set operates at a 120-hertz refresh rate. If you turn on FFM in the Advanced Image Settings menu, the set will interpolate added frames as necessary to reach 120-Hz. For 1080p/24 program material (movies on Blu-ray), four interpolated frames supplement each real frame. For 60-frame-per-second material, the set adds one interpolated frame for each real frame."
"FFM works as you would expect to smooth out motion, but apart from testing I didn't use it. I don't like what frame interpolation does to the look of film."
"The set's major weakness immediately came up when I calibrated it and viewed some low-brightness test patterns. The edge lighting produced uneven illumination, which was mainly visible on very dark, low contrast images or a full black screen."
"I can't quite recommend the NuVision NVU55FX5LS. Why? Primarily, because of its uneven side lighting."
According to page 53 of the LS-3/LS-5 instruction manual and page 56 of the Q-750I instruction manual these 3 projectors will properly display 1080P/24 signals at 48HZ. These 3 Runco projectors will also convert 60HZ film based sources to 48HZ using a reverse 3:2 pulldown process (also called 2:3 pulldown).
Quote from LS-3/LS-5 manual:
"The default setting, Auto, frame locks to the main source if it has a vertical refresh rate of between 48 and 62Hz. Vertical refresh rates of from 24 to 31Hz are doubled. Framerates between 31 and 48Hz and greater than 62Hz are converted to 60Hz.
•Select 48Hz to force the output frame rate to 48Hz. Use this setting to eliminate 2:3 pull-down judder with 60Hz film-based sources."
All displays currently on the list including the Runco Front Projectors only support 2-D 1080P signals.
RUNCO LS-5 1080P DLP Front Projector ($6,995 LIST PRICE)
(May 2010 Home Theater magazine review)
The Runco LS-5 offers a greater contrast ratio when compared to the Runco LS-3. The Runco LS-5 properly displays 1080p/24 signals at 48HZ just like a film projector. The LS-5 will even do a reverse 3:2 pulldown for 60HZ film based material and convert the image to 48HZ refresh rate. The Runco LS-5 projector is only 2-D compatible and lacks 3-D capability. All the displays currently on the list are 2-D only. No movies have been released in the new 3-D BLU-RAY format yet. 2-D movies will be the mainstream way people watch movies for at least a few years and most likely several years from now. Some people will notice rainbow effects from this Runco LS-5 projector since it uses a single chip DLP design. Also the JVC LCOS Front Projectors produce a deeper blacks levels and better contrast ratio when compared to the LS-5. JVC Front Projectors are reference projectors that Home Theater magazine and other magazines use to compare all other high-end projectors too.
The following are select quotes from pages 48-51 of the May 2010 Home Theater magazine
"In the Auto DLP Frame Rate setting, 1080p/24 sources are displayed at 48Hz. The LS-5's highest refresh rate is 60 Hz. Please note that this projector is not 3D compatible or upgradeable."
"Color separation (rainbow) artifacts from the color wheel were occasionally noticeable, but they were never distracting. Overall, if pressed, I prefer the slightly more natural look of my three-chip JVC, not to mention its advantages in blacks and contrast."
"The Runco's blacks and contrast were excellent and very naturally balanced for dynamic image. The projector has a lot of snap. As with every other projector I've tested, it didn't match my reference JVC DLA-HD750 ($8,000) in these regards, but it was still exceptional. Even though it costs less, the Runco is clearly in that upper performance tier that's just below the JVC, which achieves these dark feats without a dynamic iris. The LS-5 dynamic iris maintains strong contrast on star fields and other challenging material"
3 new 120HZ Hitachi 1080P LCD screens have been added to the list
When "Real120 Motion Correction" is turned off, the following Hitachi LCD displays will do a true 5:5 pulldown when a 1080p/24 signal is received (reference located in next post).
The Hitachi L42S503, L46S603, and L55S603 will properly display 1080P/24 signals at 120HZ when "Real120 Motion Correction" is turned off (true 5:5 pulldown). The Hitachi S603 series has 5 HDMI inputs which is a nice unique feature. Most HDTV's have only 4 maximum HDMI inputs. The S503 and S603 series are standard LCD screens that have weak black levels when compared to LCD screens with LED backlighting or a plasma screen like the discontinued Pioneer Kuro.
The following are select word for word quotes from pages 68-70 of the May 2010 Home Theater magazine
"If you turn off Reel120 motion, the set will repeat each real frame four times (a total of five frames) to reach the 120-Hz refresh rate."
"Real120 Motion is Hitachi's 120-hetrz, motion-smoothing feature. When it's engaged with a 24-frame-per second source (such as a Blu-ray Disc), the L46S603 interpolates four new frames for each source frame to reach the set's native 120-Hz refresh rate."
"Real120 Motion does what it is intended to do - it produces smoother motion and reduces motion blur - and it does it exceptionally well. Many viewers (including me) can't stand the soap opera or siticom look that this sort of processing gives to film-based material. I turned it off for all my testing and viewing."
"I confess that I have a weakness for deep blacks that are skillfully balanced by rich shadow detail. I tend to be hard on displays that don't meet that standard. The L46S603 comes up short there. Overall, it's a respectable performer, but it goes up against strong swimmers in its price class."
The Samsung SP-A900B properly displays 1080P/24 signals at 48HZ just like a film projector. The Samsung SP-A900B is designed for 2-D 1080P signals and is not 3-D compatible just like all the displays currently on the list.
The following are select quotes form the March/April 2010 Widescreen review magazine
"The SP-A900B accepts 1080p/24 video sources, which display images at 48 frames per second (fps) by repeating each film frame twice."
"Right out of the box, and prior to calibration, the Samsung SP-A900B displayed outstanding contrast, vivid color, and excellent image depth. Post calibration, it had a rich, detailed image quality that is one of the best I've seen."
The following top of the line Sony XBR8 LCD displays have been moved to the discontinued list
According to several different reviews the 2008 Sony XBR8 series was the best display Sony has every made in terms of LCD picture quality when compared to all other Sony models released in 2009 and the Sony displays released so far in 2010. The black levels of the 55 inch and 46 inch XBR8 are excellent for a LCD with local dimming LED backlighting. Only a discontinued Pioneer Kuro from 2008 and a Samsung UN55B8500 from 2009 offer a better picture quality when compared to the XBR8.
The Sony XBR8 was not popular with some consumers since the 55 inch display is 5.9 inches deep. Sony and other manufactories are now making more LCD's with edge-lit LED technology that is under 1 inches thick, but edge-lit technology does not offer as good as picture quality when compared to Local Dimming technology. Consumers like ultra thin displays and LCD with edge-lit LED backlighting models can be made thinner then LCD's with Local Dimming LED backlighting models. Every year displays that use "Edge-Lit" and "Local Dimming" keep getting thinner.
Hopefully Sony in 2010 or 2011 will release a display that matches or beats the picture quality of the 2008 XBR8 model.
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