4K Movies Releases

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I was hoping we could pick up Benzema.

I believe Arsenal will sign at least 1 major player before the close of the window.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

...gamma.

I would like to avoid an intensive discussion on B.T.1886 (linked by Stacey here - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...on#post3103648 ) because for one thing, it hasn't replaced 709 industry-wide, but for those neophytes to the home theater hobby who are totally unfamiliar with gamma function and how it can effect the appearance of an image,

check out Matt’s old (now, vintage) pdf, around pages 30-34 (the stockbroker sleeping on the park bench)….http://www.etconsult.com/papers/Imag...tt%20Cowan.pdf

[Penton-Man]

^
P.S.
b.t.w., Matt will be presenting next month on the subject of luminance and dynamic range effecting cinema motion for those of us not fearing to visit earthquake country (I'm talking to you Rick).

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

That is no trivial task (or at least it did not use to be, retired 2004). Getting two or more professional monitors of the same brand and model to look the same was a challenge and time consuming. The pain was made worse by having models from Conrac, Tektronix, Barco and Sony...

Lots of monitors to choose from these days….http://www.postmagazine.com/Publicat...eye-on-4K.aspx
The newest kid on the block now demoing around zee world is the 4K Canon (of course, 10 bit).

[HeavyHitter]

I've got a question which relates to a concern Joe Kane has about UHD: At see the 9:00: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1471727/joe-kane-on-4k

In a nutshell: since 4K (4096 lines) actually has very slightly more resolution than UHD (3840 lines), how will movies scanned at 4K be handled for UHD?

Will they be scaled from 4096 -> 3840 which would cause some loss in resolution; or will the movies be "center cut"? This would would mean about a 6% overall loss around the edges of the frame according to Joe Kane but you keep the 1:1 pixel resolution for the rest of the frame and no scaling.

Furthermore, how are they doing this today with Blu-ray 1080p since it's in the same situation compared to having slightly less lines than 2K?

I assume 4K scans are downscaled to 1080p. Or, are they downscaled to 2K and then center cut?

Anyway, just a few questions.

[Geoff D]

Well, cropping would be preferable to scaling. A 1.85 2K DCP comes in at 1998x1080, so you'd only have to lose about 78 horizontal pixels for it to 'fit' the HD resolution. Widescreen 2.39 is a little more at 2048x858, so you'd have to crop 128 pixels. (Double those pixel counts for 4K to UHD.)

As to who's doing what, I don't know for sure; it depends on whoever's doing the Blu-ray mastering and what their personal picture peccadilloes are. Some may prefer to crop, others to scale. But I don't think it's a coincidence that a great many new Blu-ray transfers tend to lose slight amounts of picture info compared to older transfers...

[Richard Paul]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

he gives for why ____ future feature (like HFR) can be added to a Netflix 4K content more easily than BD 4K content is wrong. And I gave the perfect real life example before, with look at 3D. Was it impossible for BD to add 3D? No there are many 3D BDs out. Did BD get 3D support years before Netflix did? yes. So how can one be certain the same can't happen for HFR or HDR or what ever else might make s3ense to be added later.

3D Blu-ray represents only a small percentage of Blu-ray titles. For someone that hopes to see the Rec. 2020 color space used in consumer video I dislike the idea of 4K Blu-ray getting released without it and than having it added on later as an optional feature. It makes sense for the CE companies since they could than double sell future 4K Blu-ray players but it would be a poor deal for consumers.

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

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So, question to all the video interface experts out there (reporters not apply) ….How much bandwidth would it require in order to transport videophile PQ nirvana? ala...

For 4K at 60 fps using 12-bit 4:4:4 the calculation for HDMI would be 4400 x 2250 x 60 x 36 = 21.4 Gbps.

Originally Posted by saprano

It won't beat a new print setup properly. But I would still take an old print, damages and all, over digital.

Modern digital cameras can do better in color space and luminance range than film or the current DCI specification which is rather limited as seen in this comparison of different color spaces.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Well, cropping would be preferable to scaling. A 1.85 2K DCP comes in at 1998x1080, so you'd only have to lose about 78 horizontal pixels for it to 'fit' the HD resolution. Widescreen 2.39 is a little more at 2048x858, so you'd have to crop 128 pixels. (Double those pixel counts for 4K to UHD.)

As to who's doing what, I don't know for sure; it depends on whoever's doing the Blu-ray mastering and what their personal picture peccadilloes are. Some may prefer to crop, others to scale. But I don't think it's a coincidence that a great many new Blu-ray transfers tend to lose slight amounts of picture info compared to older transfers...

Yup.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

I've got a question which relates to a concern Joe Kane has about UHD: At see the 9:00...

To your query, 2 years prior to being presented by video gurus on consumer talk shows, the same conundrum was presented here….https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ng#post5724086

And answered a few weeks later after giving everyone a chance to think about it (#2 being the correct answer, as Geoff has indicated).

In a word, I suspect most content creators of packaged media deliverables in Hollywood facilities will produce 4K BDs which come from 4K DIs, similar to how they now make 1080p BDs from 2K DIs…..

Crop.

But what do I know? Because the love of my life hasn’t returned home yet and my cable went out last night!….

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[Penton-Man]

Note to pentatonic, I haven’t disregarded nor forgotten your thoughtfulness ….

Originally Posted by pentatonic

Hey semi-bro, been a while. How is your Island peach doing? And your health, out of the adapting period?
Wow, Redray, completely forgot about them lol. I used to receive updates as I was a member by curiosity and the emails apparently stopped. talk about having a great idea and product but f*ckin it up so bad. I wonder if the raving lunatics are still "on" hehe. Wow, I'm sure they are also in the Dictionary as the perfect example of fanboyism.

take care buddy

I’m working on posting a pic of a memento (it’s hanging somewhere amongst a bunch of clothes in our cedar closet) from the event in the Pacific at which I met my Island Princess who eventually became my wife and is due home this evening, thank God, to pamper me given my latest health affliction.

But hey, things could always be worse, I figure it’s better than being stranded alone on a ship full of cannibal rats http://www.nbcnews.com/science/ghost...rse-2D11985346

As to RED, I’m really beginning to think that the Dragon camera was RED’s last hurrah, which is why a couple key people have departed from posting on that company’s website for RED users.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

Modern digital cameras can do better in color space and luminance range than film or the current DCI specification which is rather limited as seen in this comparison of different color spaces.

For interested readers, a new magazine debuted yesterday, scroll up… http://community.sony.com/t5/F5-F55/...t/false#M11640

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I believe Arsenal will sign at least 1 major player before the close of the window.

I like Giroud and what he has brought to the team but I think he misses too many scoring chances which would be a slam-dunk for a player of Benzema’s quality.

Many times, one missed opportunity results in lost points, and lost points leads to you not winning the Premiership.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Lots of monitors to choose from these days….

That list was not meant to be all inclusive, also had Ikegami, Harris, Panasonic, and others.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I like Giroud and what he has brought to the team but I think he misses too many scoring chances which would be a slam-dunk for a player of Benzema’s quality.

Many times, one missed opportunity results in lost points, and lost points leads to you not winning the Premiership.

True. Arsenals fate is in their own hands. One good signing could mean the top prize. Someone like Hernandez from Man United would give them extra bite. Whether that would be sufficient I don't know, but he has a habit of getting vital goals.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

That list was not meant to be all inclusive, also had Ikegami, Harris, Panasonic, and others.

I understood that . My reply was intended purely as supplementary information. The link was as much to bring readers up-to-date (at least until the upcoming NAB) as to what is available in terms of reference monitors as regards to display technology and where the industry is starting to head in terms of resolution, e.g. the title of the linked Post article .

I’ll emphasize the fact (to people who think and post that you can’t see 4K resolution on small screens) that the Canon is a 30” sized monitor - http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/about_...01e02480a6996f

I mean, I could have delved into problems the 4200 ( https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...00#post8637283 ) had in regards to artifacts before there was a software revision, but I thought that be too esoteric of a post.

Or, I could have named the exact monitor on that Post Magazine list which was used to determine HEVC bit rate quality in scientific testing (https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...te#post8587749 ), which apparently Netflix is targeting as a guideline for their streaming delivery, but I figured that might be construed as shilling for a particular monitor manufacturer.

I thought I’d leave it as simple as possible for folks…

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Lots of monitors to choose from these days….http://www.postmagazine.com/Publicat...eye-on-4K.aspx The newest kid on the block now demoing around zee world is the 4K Canon (of course, 10 bit).

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Blu Titan

This...

‘Ultraviolet’ Mitch was also laid off … http://www.latimes.com/entertainment...#axzz2rWxJSWNN

[Penton-Man]

As I notice a milestone was reached yesterday with this thread passing the ⅓ million viewership mark (https://forum.blu-ray.com/forumdisplay.php?f=24 ), I’d like to thank all posters, readers and moderators for contributing to its success.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Someone like Hernandez

Heck, I'd be happy with just bringing in Berbatov rather than no additions at all.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

As I notice a milestone was reached yesterday with this thread passing the ⅓ million viewership mark (https://forum.blu-ray.com/forumdisplay.php?f=24 ), I’d like to thank all posters, readers and moderators for contributing to its success.

Et, je remercie tous les francais pour leurs contributions - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=218262

By reminding them of this – http://www.cst.fr/IMG/pdf/Flyer_-_ED...l_Cozannet.pdf which eventually made it to Blu-ray - https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Paris...y/1036/#Review

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

But I don't think it's a coincidence that a great many new Blu-ray transfers tend to lose slight amounts of picture info compared to older transfers...

So true.