Fright Night (1985) (30th Anniversary Edition) (Limited Edition) - SOLD OUT

[DetroitSportsFan]

Originally Posted by Khemin

Sorry... but it is not our fault when there is absolutely no notice of WHEN to expect a possible pre-order release. All you get is the "release date," which is a ludicrous date given that there will BE no release date as they will all be sold out long before then. In my case, I submitted my email here to be notified when Fright Night became available, I friended TT on FB to receive notices and I checked in fairly often (I do have a life and an overtime job)... yet I got nothing from anyone and no notice from TT on FB until TWO DAYS after the pre-order release and several hours after it had already sold out. So... puh-lease... we can't be blamed when there is no notice given and no way to find out!

This thread was created months ago, the preorder date was posted in the OP the day it was announced, and the preorder date was mentioned in several posts in this thread. I'm pretty sure it was also listed in the thread title before selling out. And TT posted the info on their Facebook page.

[GumballRally]

Originally Posted by mar3o

I've always hated Walmart's practice of dumping their movies in bins like that. I absolutely hate digging through the mountain of discs. I usually poke around the top for about a minute and then give up and walk away. Why don't they just stack them on a wall shelf? The bin is so ghetto.

Hate it too. Shamefully, I've rifled through entire bins by stacking unwanted BRs in an empty shopping cart. Looks stupid-silly on a regular shopping day, but during Christmas felt only marginally-stupid.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by Cliff

Bullshit... if people had been buying these titles at $20, Sony would never have had a reason to license them. Do you own math (4 Blus for the price of Fright Night... so $7.50 per Blu-ray. Yeah, the studios are falling all over themselves to collect their $5 share per disc).

Sorry, I'm not going to stop buying titles I really want at a price I don't think is exorbitant (and risk other titles never getting released) just so others can get them for the price of a hefty McDonald's meal.

But this is an old point/argument.

Anything over $20 is considered exorbitant to most people. Why do you think the weekly ad threads erupt with laughter and anger when new releases go over $19.99, and that's for new releases which are considered "premium"...

[filmmusic]

Originally Posted by Snowdogyyz

There apparently was some notice given on the pre-order, since it sold out in a couple of days. The news was out there somewhere for 5,000 people to buy it. And as stated above, it was on the very first page of this thread and asked and answered about 400 times in the thread as well.

Yes.
Not criticizing anyone, but i think there is really no excuse for not knowing when Fright Night is going to be released.
It was known for months that it's going to be released, and I think one month ago the pre-order date was made known here and in facebook, and also it was written in the thread title.
So anyone that was really really interested in it should have known.
Now, unless there was a person that didn't have an internet for a month or so or lived in a cave, I can't find another reason for missing this release.

I myself missed it the first time, but that was because i hadn't seen the film and I didn't know if I would be interested or not.
But I haven't missed any release that I was really interested.

So, i believe if anyone misses a TT release, that's because he's not interested enough to search in the internet about pre-order dates etc.
And I see that often in the internet.
People are bored to search about anything..

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by filmmusic

Yes.
Not criticizing anyone, but i think there is really no excuse for not knowing when Fright Night is going to be released.
It was known for months that it's going to be released, and I think one month ago the pre-order date was made known here and in facebook, and also it was written in the thread title.
So anyone that was really really interested in it should have known.
Now, unless there was a person that didn't have an internet for a month or so or lived in a cave, I can't find another reason for missing this release.

I myself missed it the first time, but that was because i hadn't seen the film and I didn't know if I would be interested or not.
But I haven't missed any release that I was really interested.

I hate to say it but we're a HUGE anomaly in the movie world. most people AREN'T glued to their monitors 24/7... the average film fan who's not an addict to the forums may check about their favorite movie once or twice every 3 or 4 months if they're really looking for it. the rest will just wait till it pops up for sale and go "finally"!

this mentality of "you had one month, it's all your fault" is one of two major reasons WHY people dislike the TT model so much.

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by Khemin

Sorry... but it is not our fault when there is absolutely no notice of WHEN to expect a possible pre-order release. All you get is the "release date," which is a ludicrous date given that there will BE no release date as they will all be sold out long before then. In my case, I submitted my email here to be notified when Fright Night became available, I friended TT on FB to receive notices and I checked in fairly often (I do have a life and an overtime job)... yet I got nothing from anyone and no notice from TT on FB until TWO DAYS after the pre-order release and several hours after it had already sold out. So... puh-lease... we can't be blamed when there is no notice given and no way to find out!

You also can't rely on the SAE emails to notify you of new preorder announcements for titles that are expected to sell out within a day or two. Their last email was sent on Dec 31 @ 1:41 PM but didn't arrive until Jan 1 @ 12:19 AM. They consistently send out their "now for preorder" emails late, well after the preorder started, and there is always a large gap between them sending the emails and the emails arriving in the email inbox regardless as to which email provider is used.

[filmmusic]

Originally Posted by wormraper

I hate to say it but we're a HUGE anomaly in the movie world. most people AREN'T glued to their monitors 24/7... the average film fan who's not an addict to the forums may check about their favorite movie once or twice every 3 or 4 months if they're really looking for it. the rest will just wait till it pops up for sale and go "finally"!

this mentality of "you had one month, it's all your fault" is one of two major reasons WHY people dislike the TT model so much.

The pre-order date was known for a month.
the actual release I think was known for 6 or more months..
And I don't think that someone that is REALLY interested in something has to be glued 24/7 on his pc!

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by filmmusic

The pre-order date was known for a month.
the actual release I think was known for 6 or more months..
And I don't think that someone that is REALLY interested in something has to be glued 24/7 on his pc!

correct. but if you didn't know the pre-order date in this instance you had 30 days to find out otherwise you were screwed. as I said, even in the horror community the average film fan checks up on their favorite titles every 3-4 months, and that's considered excessive....

[filmmusic]

Originally Posted by wormraper

correct. but if you didn't know the pre-order date in this instance you had 30 days to find out otherwise you were screwed. as I said, even in the horror community the average film fan checks up on their favorite titles every 3-4 months, and that's considered excessive....

The guy that missed the release said that he checked regularly. Now, I don't now where exactly did he check.
And I instist that many people are un-organised or absent-minded.
The pre-order date was written on the title of this thread, and yet there were many that asked when is the pre-order date! How do you explain this?

As I said, I see it all the time in the internet.
For example I had started some threads that asked for some specific things (eg. recommendations of films from a particular decade or something), and most people responded like they hadn't ever read the title of the thread!!

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by DoubleDownAgain

It just doesn't add up to me...

Most titles are limited to 3,000 and are priced at $29.95 for each title. (Ignoring S&H costs) the total revenue for each title, if it sells out, is $89,850. For both editions of Fright Night the total revenue would be (Again ignoring S&H) is $239,600... that is before the split between Sony & TT. Even in this example, it isn't a lot of money. In fact it is comparable to the change the average person loses in their couch cushions.

Originally Posted by Khemin

Exactly, DDA... as a business model, this would doom any other business to absolute failure and make them a laughing stock. This is exactly what I pointed out earlier in this thread: were this title released just in Wal-Mart alone and it sold only a single copy (unit) per store, it would STILL make more than double the amount being made from selling only 3000 units. The only ones making money are the scalpers at the expense of the general public and... last but hardly least... Screen Archives and Twilight Time!

Sorry, but you guys are under the mistaken illusion that catalog movies still sell at Walmart. Maybe they do to a small extent on DVD, but barely so on Blu-ray. Even a major studio (Warner) catalog release like The Time Machine (1960) will be lucky to sell 3000 units over it's lifetime. And just because a Walmart carries a copy doesn't mean it's going to sell.

Here's an informative post (see spoiler below) about how limited edition works. It was from a German distributor (Anolis Ent.), but the same logic applies here in the U.S.

[Show spoiler]Limitation vs. pricing is a delicate topic, which all the time leads to heated discussion on the german boards. There are three lessons that we had to learn the hard way:

1) Just because the price is low doesn’t mean the people will buy it. In our field there is a very limited number of people who are interested in classic genre films. Beginning of the new century we licensed a package of Hammer films for the first time, being convinced that the name “Hammer” is a brand recognized by lots of people and their iconic monsters a valid selling point. We released those films on DVD for the (back then) very decent price of 15,00 EUR, stuffed with bonus material and basically available in every store. Our distributor even managed to have most of the shops create a special Hammer section. Despite lots of advertising and amazing reviews in the press, most of the 20 titles did not sell more than roughly 2500 copies. Even worse, a box set in which we packed the first 5 titles (as they were otherwise available as single editions) for a much reduced price didn’t even sell 100 copies. Leaving us with a loss of nearly a 6-figure sum.

2) As I have just explained offering our products for prices comparable to those the major studios charge for their products does not work for us. But: If we would give the people the choice between one our products or two blockbusters for the same price (as our one product), people will always decide for the 2 blockbusters and tell themselves that they will buy our product later. Only, later usually never comes because there are always two blockbusters available for a cheap price. Hence, we have to give the people the incentive “buy now or it will be gone for good”. This is where the limitation comes in place. Without it, the turnaround of our stock will take ages and the little we actually gain from those titles will be eaten up by our monthly costs. Plus, very likely the worst case scenario will happen: In order to sell THEIR stock quicker dealer will lower the prices on our products, showing everybody: If you wait long enough you get it for a much better price. Which initiates a fatal (for us) spiral, because everybody who bought previous products for the initial price will next time wait until it drops.

3) The philosophy: As we expect our customers to pay lots of hard earned money for our products, we would like to at least “reward” them with the knowledge that our limitation is genuine (we will not manufacture more, even if we have miscalculated and there is still demand) and that the prices will not drop. Meaning, even years later you will be able to sell our special editions for the same price you bought it or very likely even way more. They usually don’t loose their value. In order to keep it that way, we “dismantle” re-releases. For example, the Universal titles that we now release on Blu-rays were previously available on DVD. More expensive, but also featured tons of bonus (for example, an exclusice commentary by Mick Garris for MONOLITH MONSTER). This bonus is not included on the Blu-rays in order to NOT bring the value of the initial product down. Because, one thing for sure: People really get pissed when they bought a high priced product and later an upgraded version is released for a cheaper price.

That the philosophy “limitation beats lower prices” is a fact that is nicely demonstrated by our current series of Hammer Blu-rays. The limited Mediabooks are usually sold out by the time the street date arrives. The unlimited version in a standard case (offered at a lower price) doesn’t even come close to the numbers we sell from the Mediabooks. We did decide to put out two versions, because a lot of people (or so it seemed) asked for an unlimited edition. But now “nobody” wants it. Leaving us with a bunch of unnecessary costs.

I hope that explains a bit why we use this high-price-and-limitation approach.
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...9&postcount=53

[#Darren]

I think TT views these forums as their REAL marketing tool. So to be a TT customer you really need to be a regular forum person.

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by Cliff

Bullshit... if people had been buying these titles at $20, Sony would never have had a reason to license them. Do you own math (4 Blus for the price of Fright Night... so $7.50 per Blu-ray. Yeah, the studios are falling all over themselves to collect their $5 share per disc).

Sorry, I'm not going to stop buying titles I really want at a price I don't think is exorbitant (and risk other titles never getting released) just so others can get them for the price of a hefty McDonald's meal.

But this is an old point/argument.

Ahem, I did my part but it's now hard to purchase catalog titles from Sony since they no longer release them; at least in the US. It's unfortunate to see Sony in this sad state. I can't imagine how few titles might get released on 4K.

[FiendCameron]

Originally Posted by Khemin

Sorry... but it is not our fault when there is absolutely no notice of WHEN to expect a possible pre-order release. All you get is the "release date," which is a ludicrous date given that there will BE no release date as they will all be sold out long before then. In my case, I submitted my email here to be notified when Fright Night became available, I friended TT on FB to receive notices and I checked in fairly often (I do have a life and an overtime job)... yet I got nothing from anyone and no notice from TT on FB until TWO DAYS after the pre-order release and several hours after it had already sold out. So... puh-lease... we can't be blamed when there is no notice given and no way to find out!

There was a few weeks notice of the preorder date dude.

[MifuneFan]

Let's all pitch in together and buy Khemin....a tiny violinist

[oildude]

Posting this because it is apparent some here are unaware of the main Twilight Time thread at Blu-Ray.com:

Twilight Time Release Schedule


This is a stickied thread at the top of the Blu-Ray Movies - North America subforum, so it is always visible and accessible. All upcoming Twilight Time releases are listed in the first post of the thread, along with pre-order dates when they are announced. You can track TT releases there - very easy and convenient.

[Arbsy]

Originally Posted by wormraper

correct. but if you didn't know the pre-order date in this instance you had 30 days to find out otherwise you were screwed. as I said, even in the horror community the average film fan checks up on their favorite titles every 3-4 months, and that's considered excessive....

Where are you getting these random facts from? Average horror fans check the forum every 3-4 months? Did you do some independent polling? . Just playing. Sucks for those who missed out, TT needs to be more proactive with sending out emails about preorders.

The people in this forum acting like scalping movies is the lowest form of humanity and preying on misguided people really do have their priorities backwards. It's a movie, not the last piece of bread within 100 miles. The guy who spends $80 on a movie knows exactly what he is doing, and is most certainly a collector - not some misguided senior citizen. I only bought one fyi, so I'm not pushing my own agenda here.....I did buy 3 of the Blob though .

[MovieManiac1965]

It was important enough for me to make sure I was ready and on my computer at 4 pm eastern time when pre orders started to get my order in. I missed out on a few other titles but not this time. Thanks to this forum and Facebook I was well informed and ready for Fright Night.

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by Arbsy

Where are you getting these random facts from? Average horror fans check the forum every 3-4 months? Did you do some independent polling? . Just playing. Sucks for those who missed out, TT needs to be more proactive with sending out emails about preorders.

SAE does post the preorder date for upcoming preorders on the front page of their site a week or so in advance. However, I don't know why SAE doesn't send out an email, in advance, announcing the same. This may help those that don't routinely check the web site.

[Fatty J]

I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but this dude is selling one on ebay for $500. He's gotta be freaking high.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fright-Night...item418db27a7d

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by Fatty J

I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but this dude is selling one on ebay for $500. He's gotta be freaking high.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fright-Night...item418db27a7d

He's just doing it for the attention and laughs. Definitely not serious. Did you check out his feedback score? Probably just somebody creating an alt account to get kick out of all the buzz on this and get people like you to link to it (he's probably reading this thread too).