ATSC 3.0 breaking news

[JohnAV]

Here is the ATSC 3.0 USB TV Tuner dongle from Geniatech



But its more interesting to look at how the product can be applied.

It can interface to any Android based TV, Android Based TV box, any computer OS - Linux, Windows, Mac.

[Robert Zohn]

Correct, ATSC 3.0 is not mandated, but the two previous ATSC versions were government mandated.

However, I don't think by itself will cause much of the delay in rolling out the new standard. It's building the 5G infrastructure that will be the main transport stream that will take several years to get up and running.

[PaulGo]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Here is the ATSC 3.0 USB TV Tuner dongle from Geniatech


But its more interesting to look at how the product can be applied.

It can interface to any Android based TV, Android Based TV box, any computer OS - Linux, Windows, Mac.

Nice device I would like to read reviews about it when it is available (sensitivity). I would never plug this directly into a USB port, I think the stress from a RG6 cable could mess up the port.

[PaulGo]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Correct, ATSC 3.0 is not mandated, but the two previous ATSC versions were government mandated.

However, I don't think by itself will cause much of the delay in rolling out the new standard. It's building the 5G infrastructure that will be the main transport stream that will take several years to get up and running.

https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-t...k-dolby-atmos/

From what I read in the above article only advertising will be delivered via the internet (or 5G). I don't understand how 5G will play a major role in ATSC 3.0.

[Robert Zohn]

My understanding is that ATSC 3.0 content will be used for OTA, IP and the new transport deliver for OTT (cable service) will be the new 5G Millimeter FQ.

5G will carry cable and Internet and will be very aggressively used to deliver ads to your cell phones as well as the new emergency alert system. 5G will be deployed to your home via short range transmitters with directional high gain antennas so cable carriers will no longer use coax or Fiber to deliver cable channels to your home.

AYSC 3.0 will also add the ability for broadcasters to deliver 2nd screen content and two way communications so you can buy products or take a survey from your phone or home TV.

[PaulGo]

Is ATSC 3.0 functional without 5G or internet?

[Robert Zohn]

Yes, ATSC 3.0 can and will also be transported via OTA.

[PaulGo]

ATSC 3.0: How cord-cutters should plan for antenna TV's big upgrade
It's still very early days for Next Gen TV.

https://www.techhive.com/article/351...g-upgrade.html

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by PaulGo

ATSC 3.0: How cord-cutters should plan for antenna TV's big upgrade
It's still very early days for Next Gen TV.

https://www.techhive.com/article/351...g-upgrade.html

Oh nice antenna, but it benefits only acquiring better local broadcast reception, not improved content.

At some point in the past the networks mostly abandoned playing movies some nights, everything went to tv show productions, with older shows shown on some channels. This is not going to replace what’s available via streaming or what cable/satellite is providing. Broadcast industry needs to rethink how they want OTA to progress otherwise a great amount of useful content will be MIA for cord cutters. I hope they can go back to some form of subscriber access.

[gkolb]

Originally Posted by PaulGo

ATSC 3.0: How cord-cutters should plan for antenna TV's big upgrade
It's still very early days for Next Gen TV.

https://www.techhive.com/article/351...g-upgrade.html

Embedded in this story is a link to another article about the TV market areas identified for Top 40 TV Markets Launching ATSC 3.0.

https://www.atsc.org/newsletter/comi...hing-atsc-3-0/

Sorry to say I live in a SMSA of about 400,000 people, but we are no where in these lists. Oh well, no one is getting 4K or HDR most likely, so it's all just beta mode IMO.

[Robert Zohn]

@gkolb, Wonder if your elevation is high enough to get San Diego or LA or Las Vegas channels with a high gain directional antenna? Of course you would need to accurately aim the antenna towards the broadcast tower.

Check out https://www.antennaweb.org/ to get the coordinates from your zip code.

Unrelated, I designed the Desert Storm video system at Fort Irwin and spent a lot of time in Bakersfield CA.

[gkolb]

We’re in a giant bowl here, elevation around 900.

The passes to the south and east are around 4,400 ft each.
Santa Maria to the Southwest might be clear line of sight. It’s 117 miles per map app. Might be shorter as the crow flies? I’ll keep this in mind in the future. Thanks.

[PaulGo]

Originally Posted by gkolb

We’re in a giant bowl here, elevation around 900.

The passes to the south and east are around 4,400 ft each.
Santa Maria to the Southwest might be clear line of sight. It’s 117 miles per map app. Might be shorter as the crow flies? I’ll keep this in mind in the future. Thanks.

Ultimately your local broadcasters will offer ATSC 3.0. It just might take a few years. How is you local broadcast reception now?

[gkolb]

Originally Posted by PaulGo

Ultimately your local broadcasters will offer ATSC 3.0. It just might take a few years. How is you local broadcast reception now?

No idea (the shame ), we’re still on cable.
I’d install an antenna for 4K or HDR OTA.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by gkolb

No idea (the shame ), we’re still on cable.
I’d install an antenna for 4K or HDR OTA.

Stores like Walmart, Target, Best Buy just try to parade a bunch of amplified indoor or attic antennas these days. Radio Shack is barely there anymore. Antennas are very badly marketed also as this example from Walmart. This is a issue that the next generation TV broadcasters have to content with.

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ChannelMaster been around a long time their VHF/UHF Digital Advantage 100 antenna only offers a range up to 100 miles, and that doesn't pertain to UHF, more to VHF reception.

It was Roberts earlier comments about being high enough too receive transmissions in the 470 to 806 Mhz UHF channel range that I got a good chuckle out of. Digital signals require a specific signal above the noise to be converted back to what a Digital tuner can work with. You can boost this range somewhat by using inline amp up at the antenna or inline the run to your TVs in a house. But a signal that is so many miles aways cannot be received because UHF RF propagation just naturally attenuates with distance. If you receiving transmissions from 75 miles away you are doing good. You certainly can't receive stuff from that 2049 foot high KXTV/KOVR Tower above Stockton at Bakerfield which is line of sight pretty much. Just too far away.

[HDTV1080P]

Yes there always has to be a strong enough RF signal coming in to receive distant TV and radio stations.

It also depends on how powerful the broadcast station is broadcasting at. The bigger the receiving TV/FM antenna and the higher the antenna is, the better the chance that a antenna on a rotor can pick up TV and FM broadcasts. It has been well documented that some of the biggest outdoor TV/FM antennas have when the weather is good been able to pick up VHF stations from around 210 miles away, and UHF and FM stations from around 135 miles away. Less than ideal conditions those above numbers can easily be cut in half.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

Yes there always has to be a strong enough RF signal coming in to receive distant TV and radio stations.

It also depends on how powerful the broadcast station is broadcasting at. The bigger the receiving TV/FM antenna and the higher the antenna is, the better the chance that a antenna on a rotor can pick up TV and FM broadcasts. It has been well documented that some of the biggest outdoor TV/FM antennas have when the weather is good been able to pick up VHF stations from around 210 miles away, and UHF and FM stations from around 135 miles away. Less than ideal conditions those above numbers can easily be cut in half.

I am sure you seen how people gotten totally away from having real high huge TV antennas mounted on homes. It’s a industry that has more or less gone from American landscapes and most of the local roofs show that. Some of those winegard antennas were close to 10 feet in length and good wind storm was something to worry about.

If you look at http://www.granbytv.com/antennas.htm
as a example the antennas will do better the higher up a outdoor antenna is, but most these days it’s doubtful they would guarantee such signal ranges at lower heights as shown in the descriptions. I just think we are past the time you’ll see that again on homes. Roofs get replaced, antennas come down, solar panels on some make it dangerous for antennas. My setup was to take it down during reroofing and apply the height from ground to above the roof line several feet with a rotator on a house side. I get plenty of digital stations, but it’s the content I am worried about even if it was in 4K.

[PaulGo]

Currently broadcasters have little incentive to improve their broadcast signal since they get a substantial amount of income from retransmission fees. If the cordcuting trend continues it may change.

[wxman2003]

https://www.tvtechnology.com/atsc3/a...by-end-of-year

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLTe...ature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVrX...ature=youtu.be

[JohnAV]

NextGen TV At CES 2020: Deployment And Testing - TVTechnology

I’m concerned that when people start taking these expensive 8K TV sets home later this year and decide to try out that new tuner, they may be disappointed in the quality of the over-the-air video compared to 4K and the limited 8K streaming content. I expect the quality will improve, just as it did in the years after the rollout of HDTV 20 years ago.

Discusses using the RedZone Receiver from Airwavz - ATSC 3.0 USB tuner