Sony Black Crush on late-2014 / early-2015 BDs

[Latheofheaven]

Originally Posted by philip74

Is the UV the standard definition version? I gotta say, besides being way too
dark the sharpness of the Bluray is so much better.

Yep, agree...

[Latheofheaven]

Originally Posted by James Luckard

Luckily, the question of whether the black levels on this disc are wrong or not isn't something that will be decided on by a majority vote of internet commenters, but by Sony's home video department, or by the directors, who I will gladly track down and contact if we don't start to get results by the end of next week.

As I said before, it isn't an idle threat. I did just that with Roman Polanski when Warners didn't take me seriously that the FRANTIC BD needed to be corrected, and I succeeded in getting a new version made. If a deep catalog title can be repressed to satisfy a director who hasn't worked for that studio in years, and might never again, then I think Sony will definitely want to satisfy two of their most important, highest-grossing directors.

Hmmm... quite impressive mate.

[Latheofheaven]

Originally Posted by schan1269

That is funny.

Considering everybody complaining about crush is watching on LCD.

My plasma and JVC projector have absolutely no problems.

Buy displays that can produce black.

Problem solved.

Heh... well, I wouldn't personally state it QUITE so smugly, but... I tend to agree. With my Plasma I am not really noticing things quite as egregiously as most others...

[Latheofheaven]

Originally Posted by Blu MacReady

To be fair I've not noticed any over darkness as posted here on screenshots. I've a Panasonic plasma 50" and 42". Not sure if its a Panasonic 'thing' or the TV model I bought, but they have the true black technology. Make any difference?

Yep... ditto... 50" Panny

[Latheofheaven]

Originally Posted by metallic

A quick and dirty comparison between one of the scenes on the special features and the movie file http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/113263

Wow! I must admit, that looks pretty bad...

[ryanmcv]

Originally Posted by Latheofheaven

Sorry... the VUDU is SO completely washed out and blurry compared to the BD which has like a MILLION times more depth, clarity and detail. At least in my lowly eyes. YES it is a TAD darker, but GEEZ, just look at the top of the cymbal and at his face for Goodness sake. To me anyway, absolutely NO comparison what so ever...

What's the source of these Vudu screenshots for Whiplash? The movie doesn't look nearly that bad through the Vudu app on my LG TV. Of course the Blu-ray looks much better, but based on a quick glance at this scene in my Vudu app, it had much more clarity and detail than what those screenshots show. I'm thinking that whoever took those screenshots had a poor connection or didn't let the stream buffer long enough.

[Latheofheaven]

Originally Posted by metallic

The deleted scenes don't have the final colour correction but the clips used in the special features appear to have the final grading. Here is a comparison between an ungraded shot and the final film for reference

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/113264

Holy $h!t! One isn't daytime and one nighttime by any chance, is it...???

[keldons]

edit: nvm, misread something, i'm tired.

[Latheofheaven]

Originally Posted by James Luckard

Anything is always conceivable. However for THE INTERVIEW, the Ultraviolet version, the Netflix version and the clips used in the special features all match, with only the BD feature version the outlier in terms of being massively darker. And, as I've stressed, I saw the film in theaters twice, less than two months ago, and I remember it looking like the UV/Netflix/featurette version, and not the BD version.

I'm going to contact the representatives for the DP this afternoon and try to get him involved. Perhaps he decided to adjust the film for the BD, and this is his preferred version. Again, anything is conceivable. however when he weighs in, there will be no more questions.

Hmmm, the last thing you said seems to be more likely to me. And, that is an excellent idea contacting someone in the DP's dept. According to what pretty much almost ALL of you are saying, the BD (after the fact) was made darker. That is what I have been suspecting all along, that it possibly was just an artistic choice (for better or worser... Uh, I said 'worser' on purpose )

[Latheofheaven]

Originally Posted by jscoggins

Instead of trolling, please read the entire thread, starting with the OP. You are not contributing anything new.

I have read every post of the 13 pages from the beginning my dear, so please do not be so quick to judge.

Thank you...

[filmmusic]

Originally Posted by schan1269

That is funny.

Considering everybody complaining about crush is watching on LCD.

My plasma and JVC projector have absolutely no problems.

Buy displays that can produce black.

Problem solved.

Sorry, but I have 150 Blurays and I don't have a black crush problem with not a single one!
So, I'm afraid your argument doesn't stand!

[tenia]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

TMT seems to screw with the aspect ratio when taking captures.

I've taken tons of caps and didn't notice this issue. At some point, for Raiders of the Lost Ark, I compared my caps to the one available on caps-a-holic and found out they were extremely close minus very small difference which seemed related to compression.

Here is a couple of reviews I typed and the caps that go with them :

http://retro-hd.com/tests/blu-ray-import/1944-safe.html
http://retro-hd.com/tests/blu-ray-im...940-shoah.html
http://retro-hd.com/tests/blu-ray-im...941-shoah.html
http://retro-hd.com/tests/blu-ray-im...solitaire.html
http://retro-hd.com/tests/blu-ray-im...solitaire.html

They should all be fine ratio-wise.

[schan1269]

Originally Posted by filmmusic

Sorry, but I have 150 Blurays and I don't have a black crush problem with not a single one!
So, I'm afraid your argument doesn't stand!

And...

You watch on what?

I gave a 42" Samsung plasma to a coworker that bought a 39" Element LCD.

Called me an hour after I dropped it off to tell me they decided to connect the XBox One to it...cause they could actually see what they were playing...

(Yes I know. Plasma vs a complete crap LCD isn't exactly fair...

But...plasma did die because LCD is so much better........)

[tenia]

Originally Posted by schan1269

But...plasma did die because LCD is so much better........)

Not sure if sarcastic or not. If not, Plasma certainly didn't die because LCD is so much better. Actually, this is not at all the reason, although since its democratisation, LCD gives much better picture that it did a couple years ago.

But Plasma died because the production costs prevented the technology to be suitable for smaller screen democratisation. That's why there are no Plasma screen at 32" or 36" (I believe it starts at 42"). And obviously, LCD screens (and LED afterwards) took the opportunity of this to be also extended to computer screens, when Plasma couldn't.

So while Plasma was able to give you deeper blacks, less lag and no clouding, it was un-objectively branded by some as of lesser quality because older.
Currently, the only technology fully rivalising Quality-wise with Plasma screens is OLED, but that's expensive as hell.

[JimDiGriz]

Originally Posted by schan1269

And...

You watch on what?

I gave a 42" Samsung plasma to a coworker that bought a 39" Element LCD.

Called me an hour after I dropped it off to tell me they decided to connect the XBox One to it...cause they could actually see what they were playing...

(Yes I know. Plasma vs a complete crap LCD isn't exactly fair...

But...plasma did die because LCD is so much better........)

Oh dear. No. Plasma is better than LCD - just because the masses bought cheap LCD's doesnt make them better.

[nitin]

I dont see a problem with Whiplash, in fact I would say the VUDU shots look overly brightened. But Fury and My Bbest Friend's Wedding definitely dont look to have their colour space set correctly.

In good news though, the Foxcatcher screenies look fine.

[jscoggins]

My god, for the umpteenth time, Whiplash is not listed in the OP! We already discounted it!

[tama]

http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleich...ss=1#vergleich

Caps up between the Blu and DvD.

The DVD shows more info in shadow details but has an overall washed out look.

[James Luckard]

Originally Posted by tama

http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleich...ss=1#vergleich

Caps up between the Blu and DvD.

The DVD shows more info in shadow details but has an overall washed out look.

Thanks! Proof that even the freaking DVDs of these titles do not have the black crush.

UV, Netflix, DVD, clips used in featurettes - all look normal. Only the BDs themselves have it, it is clearly an error.

[jscoggins]

Yup, the DVD caps look like the caps taken from the deleted scenes and featurettes. Someone tampered with the main presentation.