Sony Black Crush on late-2014 / early-2015 BDs

[Naiera]

Originally Posted by Tuco_76

Anyone mentioned there's been black crush with Sony releases in earlier years as well?
Drive US, EG Opening scene hotel room, the window frame totally melts with the outside night view.

Following scene, driving at night, some controlls in the car clearly readable on the DE disc, completely swallowed on the US disc just as the inside tank details in Fury. Drive DE has partly too weak black levels IMO, looks way too milky in night scenes.

Nope. I woulda noticed.

[Tuco_76]

Originally Posted by Naiera

Nope. I woulda noticed.

Yep, 100%. Really love this movie and took my time comparing those scenes thoroughly (in motion and PNG caps I took myself), on a calibrated screen.
Those swallowed details are just not there, not to bring back by boosting brightness / contrast. Same deal as with Fury.
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Course you don't have to believe me, doesn't change the facts though.

As someone mentioned before, you would've noticed in comparison, not by merely watching the US disc.

[Geoff D]

Come on dude, let's not start looking for the black crush boogeyman at every turn. Drive looks stunning.

[Naiera]

Originally Posted by Tuco_76

Course you don't have to believe me, doesn't change the facts though.

Your opinion is not fact.

I also have the Danish release, by the way. It's 24Hz instead of 23.976, so it's not just the same video as the US one.

And my screen is more calibrated than yours.

[Tuco_76]

Originally Posted by Naiera

Your opinion is not fact.

I also have the Danish release, by the way. It's 24Hz instead of 23.976, so it's not just the same video as the US one.

And my screen is more calibrated than yours.

Thats right, opinion is not fact.

Good that you know the facts, since you do not own either one of the discs I've compared. But just let's agree to disagree and leave it at that.

Fury DE release is as well "not just the same video as the US one", it's a different encode, but it origins from the same (Sony) master.

[Tuco_76]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Come on dude, let's not start looking for the black crush boogeyman at every turn. Drive looks stunning.

IMO Drive US looks better than the DE release, I actually wish my DE release would look darker, as I mentioned in another thread before Fury already. Nevertheless it seems to be the same kind of enhancement, there are cockpit details simply lost in the US release in the scene at the beginning, been the whole point actually.
I didn't just start to look for that about now, that's been 2-3 years ago, that's why I haven't the caps and samples anymore. Anyway, I agree, no point and no interest in discussing that furthermore.

[Naiera]

Originally Posted by Tuco_76

Good that you know the facts, since you do not own either one of the discs I've compared. But just let's agree to disagree and leave it at that.

You compared ze German and US releases, right?

I have the US release. I thought I made that clear.

[Tuco_76]

For anyone interested in what I meant, I just found 2 jpg's I made from the first frame in the garage, the shelf / content of the on the left delivers a good comparison.

DE




US

[Geoff D]

It's a hair darker but that's NOTHING like the severe black crush that's being discussed in this thread. If it were like Fury or The Interview then much of Cranston's torso would simply be black. Besides, it looks as if the added brightness is exacerbating the grain on the DE.

[Tech-UK]

What Geoff said.

The DE release of Drive looks a tad washed out.

Interesting to see, so thanks for the caps.

Do you have any more caps of Drive?

[Poya]

Originally Posted by Tuco_76

For anyone interested in what I meant, I just found 2 jpg's I made from the first frame in the garage, the shelf / content of the on the left delivers a good comparison.

DE




US

Walter White vs Walter Black.

*crickets chirp*

I shall escort myself out.

[Tuco_76]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

It's a hair darker but that's NOTHING like the severe black crush that's being discussed in this thread.

A *hair* darker? I really hope you checked that on your notebook, I didnt trust my own eyes this morning when I did, there really isn't much of a visible difference. On a bigger Full HD panel, the difference is pretty huge though.

US, there's just one black mess (pun) inside the left shelf, bottom board. DE you can see what's standing inside, pretty clear.

Please, to anyone do not compare these shots on a notebook, they look the same.

Plug it to your TV or beamer, you'll be astonished.

Originally Posted by Tech-UK

What Geoff said.

The DE release of Drive looks a tad washed out.

Interesting to see, so thanks for the caps.

Do you have any more caps of Drive?

Back then I decided to go with the DE release, today I'd rather have the US, the DE looks indeed washed out. I don't know if their "waveform" is correct or whatev., imo it's just too much brightened up. It's much worse in the night scenes, same as the black crush.

I unfortunately haven't any more US caps / samples, (HD crash 2 years ago) especially those with the missing controls in the cockpit at night are interesting.

From the DE disc I can have any frame if needed, OC.

[Wernski]

Originally Posted by Tuco_76

US, there's just one black mess (pun) inside the left shelf, bottom board. DE you can see what's standing inside, pretty clear.

It's definitely darker, but at least it's not crushed. All the detail is there, just some of it's harder to make out. Like, you can see what's on that shelf if you up your brightness/gamma, which you couldn't in the past crushed screenshots from the movies like My Best Friends Wedding. And, yeah, I could see how one would prefer the more contrasty image in motion.

[Geoff D]

There's nothing to see here. Move along please.

[StingingVelvet]

This isn't the black crush you are looking for... you can go about your business... move along...

[Pyoko]

The DE Drive is probably the one that got its gamma messed up somewhere along the line. You can tell by the undue noise and the posterization/delineation that happens around the pure black parts. Note how even though the US is darker you don't notice the black crush, because there's a smooth gradient from light to dark. Meanwhile on the DE it's immediately obvious where there is zero picture information.

There are some movies with a similar look, e.g. Collateral, but I'm still pretty sure the US one is correct.

[cheez avenger]

The OCD is strong in this thread.

[Hellraiserfan]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

It's a hair darker but that's NOTHING like the severe black crush that's being discussed in this thread. If it were like Fury or The Interview then much of Cranston's torso would simply be black. Besides, it looks as if the added brightness is exacerbating the grain on the DE.

Bought Fury and watched it for the first time last night and in the third act I had to pause the film to bring up the brightness setting. Almost the entire sreen was nothing but black at times. So ridiculous they let that transfer go out like that.

[Naiera]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

The OCD is strong in this thread.

What the hell does that mean?

[Hellraiserfan]

Originally Posted by Naiera

What the hell does that mean?

Talking about how people nitpick the hell out of Blu-ray PQ.