4K Movies Releases

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/viewpoint?s=t

How to harvest the most out of a camera negative is not really a matter of point of view, but that of budget and a facility’s capability. For that matter, neither is past practices for vfx creation and rendering by whatever the studio ….a matter of “viewpoint”.

I see this as viewpoint…I’m quoting here a part of a recent statement by Vizio in a Q&A between Vizio and cnet posted on cnet which someone PMed me today….”VIZIO felt the UHD Alliance was created by certain manufacturers with an agenda to promote specific hardware technologies at the expense of others, and to prevent other manufacturers' products from being certified, regardless of their picture quality merits.” (bolding by me)

So mike, as a partaker for years of consumer electronics and I would hope, marketplace fair play, what’s your viewpoint on their viewpoint? Is Vizio making a meritless public accusation because they couldn’t meet the gold standard of the UHD Alliance for a Premium 4K tv, or was there corporate collusion with intended naughtiness toward Vizio by more than one manufacturer?

And again, with regards to thee exact how’s and wherefores of the testing certification procedure, do you think it would help if the UHD Alliance were more transparent, for instance similar to how the ITU is with Recommendations like BT.2246, all 86 pages of the most current version.

[Esox50]

Penton...the whole thing is a mess. I'd really like to buy a new TV...but it's a FREAKIN MESS right now.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Esox50

Penton...the whole thing is a mess. I'd really like to buy a new TV...but it's a FREAKIN MESS right now.

Some independent watchers believe that Vizio is using the optional format of Dolby Vision (which is in its infancy of adoption) as a distraction because they just couldn’t cut the mustard in quality with the core elements of Ultra HD Alliance’s spec certification standard. But I guess videophiles will never be certain of the truth until the UHDA becomes more transparent.

Anyway, certification-splitting aside, one thing videophiles should be clear about is that despite the hype from marketing people and impressionistic fanboys looking to justify their beliefs or purchases, testing under real scientific conditions shows that 4K physical media rules over streaming when one is contemplating serious viewing of at least challenging 4K content.

[Pieter V]

Runtime 2 hr 31 min (151 min)
Sound Mix Dolby Atmos | Datasat | 12-Track Digital Sound | Dolby Surround 7.1 | IMAX 6-Track
Color Color
Aspect Ratio 1.44 : 1 (some scenes: IMAX 70 mm and Laser versions)
1.90 : 1 (some scenes: IMAX digital version)
2.20 : 1 (70 mm version)
2.35 : 1
Camera Arri Alexa XT
Arriflex 416
Arriflex 435, Panavision C- and E-Series Lenses
Canon EOS 5D
GoPro HD Hero 4
IMAX MKIII, Zeiss Lenses
IMAX MSM 9802, Hasselblad Lenses
Panavision Panaflex Millennium XL2, Panavision Primo, C-, E-Series, ATZ and AWZ2 Lenses
Panavision Panaflex System 65 Studio, Panavision System 65 Lenses
Laboratory Company 3, Los Angeles (CA), USA (digital intermediate)
FotoKem Laboratory, Burbank (CA), USA (dailies)
Negative Format 16 mm (Kodak Vision3 500T 7219)
35 mm (Kodak Vision3 500T 5219)
65 mm (also horizontal) (Kodak Vision3 500T 5219)
Codex
Codex ARRIRAW
HD
Cinematographic Process ARRIRAW (3.4K) (some shots)
IMAX (source format) (some scenes)
Panavision (anamorphic) (source format)
Panavision Super 70 (source format) (some shots)
Super 16 (source format) (some shots)
Printed Film Format 35 mm (Kodak Vision 2383)
70 mm (also horizontal) (also IMAX DMR blow-up) (Kodak Vision 2383)
D-Cinema (also 3-D version)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2975590/...ef_=tt_dt_spec

IMDb strikes again.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/viewpoint?s=t

mike, take a lesson from one of my better students….lyris (David Mackenzie) -
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...3#post11216553

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Dolby Vision

Happening now on Hollywood Blvd….

[Alan Gordon]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Some independent watchers believe that Vizio is using the optional format of Dolby Vision (which is in its infancy of adoption) as a distraction because they just couldn’t cut the mustard in quality with the core elements of Ultra HD Alliance’s spec certification standard. But I guess videophiles will never be certain of the truth until the UHDA becomes more transparent.

I was at Sam's Club the other day admiring 4K TVs. My Sam's Club only carries Samsung, Vizio, Sharp and LG 4K sets. While I feel confident that Vizio would have trouble competing with other manufacturers when properly set up in a proper environment, they do have a fairly impressive picture for their price point.

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Anyway, certification-splitting aside, one thing videophiles should be clear about is that despite the hype from marketing people and impressionistic fanboys looking to justify their beliefs or purchases, testing under real scientific conditions shows that 4K physical media rules over streaming when one is contemplating serious viewing of at least challenging 4K content.

Kind of reminds of a story I read. It turns out the Earth isn't flat!!

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Alan Gordon

...While I feel confident that Vizio would have trouble competing with other manufacturers when properly set up in a proper environment, they do have a fairly impressive picture for their price point.

The marketing machine has already engaged in LA -
http://ktla.com/2016/04/06/new-vizio...4zhPAgOWW9FGO6

[Penton-Man]

Throwback Thursday post –

Extract from a production (recorded) utilizing 4K HDR (HLG method) posted from about a month ago (use password barbierehlg)….

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

to watch an extract of the finalized product (keeping in mind the limitations of delivering by way of vimeo to your home devices) -

https://vimeo.com/157154464

Although Richard and I have had extensive detailed discussion here about hybrid log gamma (HLG) from the BBC/NHK on the Blu-ray.com forum for a long time now…..

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

The Image Dynamic Range in Televisions Group of the ITU has been on a mission, which can be a complex task, to determine the best solution(s) in order to bring live HDR to consumers…..examining the pluses and minuses of the different HDR approaches as you and I have described their respective merits in ongoing discussion for at least over a year now, in order to help educate those hobbyists not privy to the working party meetings (like the early unreported NHK’s initial shifted gamma solution before joining with the BBC in development of the joint hybrid log-gamma proposal).

For the sake of HDR newbies, HLG does not require metadata and if things go according to plan, there should be demos with other content using the HLG transfer function technology at the upcoming NAB 2016.

[Spike M.]

Panavision seems to be claiming the standard shooting format for Rogue One was the Alexa 65 with their glass. The trailer certainly looked like it was entirely digitally captured, but I wouldn't have guessed it was the Alexa 65. Hm.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Spike M.

Panavision seems to be claiming the standard shooting format for Rogue One was the Alexa 65 with their glass. The trailer certainly looked like it was entirely digitally captured, but I wouldn't have guessed it was the Alexa 65. Hm.

Alexa 65 or not, the bokeh has that slightly fatter look of the 1.25x anamorphic UP70 optics.

http://www.panavision.com/new-rogue-...-story-trailer

[Spike M.]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Alexa 65 or not, the bokeh has that slightly fatter look of the 1.25x anamorphic UP70 optics.

http://www.panavision.com/new-rogue-...-story-trailer

How can you tell?

I honestly haven't seen enough anamorphic 70mm to be comfortable distinguishing it from 35. My assumption while watching the trailer was that it looked like typical anamorphic 35mm...

[Geoff D]

Look at the bokeh behind felicity jones on the left, it's nothing like as elongated as this, say: https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/scree...d=5&position=8

There was also a lens flare in the trailer which had a much fatter streak than the skinnier streaks seen on 2x anamorphics as per 35mm.

[edit]: Just for reference this is Alexa 65 shot flat, note the much rounder bokeh behind Bond: https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/scree...99&position=37

[42041]

Originally Posted by Spike M.

How can you tell?

I honestly haven't seen enough anamorphic 70mm to be comfortable distinguishing it from 35. My assumption while watching the trailer was that it looked like typical anamorphic 35mm...

35mm scope bokeh ellipses are much more oblong than what you see in the Rogue One shots:
https://images3.static-bluray.com/re...3_34_1080p.jpg

I guess they're not actually using the full 2.76:1 frame?

[Geoff D]

Perfect example, thanks!

I've mentioned a few times before that I didn't think they were going with the full 2.76 width of the UP70 lenses for Rogue One, as it's not about using the ultra-wide aspect but that they wanted a traditional kind of anamorphic widescreen look when shooting large format.

[Spike M.]

Interesting. Thanks! Very cool.

Would be neat if this was a full Alexa 65 production.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

neuroscience

http://www.loni.usc.edu/

And neuroscience comes to HDR (Dolby), e.g. “For instance, they’ve already found that flames displayed in HDR format will trigger the brain to produce heat in the cheeks.
But not in SDR.”
http://www.mixonline.com/news/facili...isco-hq/427147

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Spike M.

a full Alexa 65 production.

the weather forecast is that for the most part it’s *snowing in the den*.

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

http://www.loni.usc.edu/

And neuroscience comes to HDR (Dolby), e.g. “For instance, they’ve already found that flames displayed in HDR format will trigger the brain to produce heat in the cheeks.
But not in SDR.”
http://www.mixonline.com/news/facili...isco-hq/427147

I see a future in UHD HDR Porn application then

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I've mentioned a few times before that I didn't think they were going with the full 2.76 width of the UP70 lenses for Rogue One, as it's not about using the ultra-wide aspect but that they wanted a traditional kind of anamorphic widescreen look when shooting large format.

That's definitely my suspicion, as well. If Rogue One releases any wider than 2.40:1, I'll eat my hat.