HDR Discussion Thread

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Waboman

Closest my kids will come to the Millennium Falcon is a cardboard box and their imagination. And if they don’t mow my yard I’m taking those away.

Sheesh Wabo, I hope you feed ‘em more than once a day.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

That's good news...more HDR Blu movies coming up our way, and Disney can afford it too with $9 billion+ predicted this year @ the global box office.

• https://www-cnbc-com.cdn.ampproject....l?amp_js_v=0.1

However, they're still extremely stingy on the catalog title front. I bet it gets worse.

[ray0414]

speaking of disc vs streaming. Here's a very disturbing article for physical media lovers.

Sony has proposed the closure of a disc plant in the UK.


https://www.whathifi.com/amp/news/so...mpression=true

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by Staying Salty

Marvel Is Remastering All of Its MCU Films in 4K Ultra HD

https://www.highdefdigest.com/news/s...ultra-hd/44285

They are all announced on disc now

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by ray0414

speaking of disc vs streaming. Here's a very disturbing article for physical media lovers.

Sony has proposed the closure of a disc plant in the UK.


https://www.whathifi.com/amp/news/so...mpression=true

Oh, that's a heartbreaker. I can't see how UK retailer zoom can continue if DADC shuts down, they literally dispatch everything from DADC in Enfield.

Genuinely gutted.

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Oh, that's a heartbreaker. I can't see how UK retailer zoom can continue if DADC shuts down, they literally dispatch everything from DADC in Enfield.

Genuinely gutted.

I was hoping you would say it was no big deal and it wouldny effect anything. dam that Sony.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

And for what the concept means to those readers who may be unfamiliar with it, in a nutshell, metamerism is due to differences in the spectral power distribution of displays combined with the fact that different people possess different color matching functions in the way they see colors which is being exacerbated by the fairly recent development of displays with narrow spectrums to achieve the wider aspirational gamut of BT. 2020

I received a PM from a member who prefers to remain anonymous which ties into this ^ post from last week. To be clear, perceptual white point matching for fixing Display (illuminant) metamerism, which I assume was done in preparing the TVs for Robert’s recent shootout by the calibrators (who are very good technicians), does not necessarily precisely correct for observer metamerism – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxW7r9oqqp8#t=2m23s
In fact, if memory serves, at the last Value Electronics shootout by the calibrators' own admission, there were individual differences in the visual opinions while adjusting/matching the perceptual white point among the calibrators for which they had to come to a consensus as to a final setting for the perceptual white point matching of each TV with the reference monitor during that 2018 shootout.

A topic on which I agree with Joe Kane in that Samsung - - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS-dYRN2xWg#t=12m38s and to be fair, I think all consumer electronics manufacturers in general intentionally dismiss its importance to consumers, at least those consumers who consider themselves videophiles and read audio video forums in their quest to chase the most accurate image of a movie.

I think this concept becomes especially significant when shootouts like this are performed and nitpicking observations made by attendees and judges as to the color accuracy of this or that TV, do not take into consideration people possessing different color matching functions (in dem eyes) which results in the way they each see colors in this era of narrow primaries trying to fulfill BT 2020. To be clear, this is not the *fault* of the calibrators as they do the best they can with what they’ve got, nor the observers with their eyeballs, as the proposed fixes are more complex - https://www.smpte.org/publications/i.../Demos-HPA2014 .

But I think it best not to take some observations as gospel, as many of us (especially from different age groups) see differently because of different cmf's of our visual systems and the narrow primaries now are accentuating this physiology.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

About Sony and LG HDR OLED David?
...Out of the box...which movie mode for 4K Blus @ night?

David’s left the building to check out the Raptors parade route early? What say you David?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Oh, that's a heartbreaker. I can't see how UK retailer zoom can continue if DADC shuts down, they literally dispatch everything from DADC in Enfield.

Genuinely gutted.

zee solution - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...b#post16398335

or perhaps, given his avatar, that of bruceames - https://www.runnersworld.com/news/a2...marathon-beer/

choices abound, and we haven't even delved into legal cannabis to ease your pain, just remember not to recreate and drive....plus, everythings best in moderation

[PaulGo]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

But I think it best not to take some observations as gospel, as many of us (especially from different age groups) see differently because of different cmf's of our visual systems and the narrow primaries now are accentuating this physiology.

As they say "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" or "beauty cannot be judged objectively, for what one person finds beautiful or admirable may not appeal to another".

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by ray0414

I was hoping you would say it was no big deal and it wouldny effect anything. dam that Sony.

I cannot damn them too much. It seems to me they still have plans for plenty more catalog titles especially based on that survey which was a pleasant surprise. They are ahead of every studio from a catalog selection and PQ quality standpoint.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Waboman

Closest my kids will come to the Millennium Falcon is a cardboard box and their imagination. And if they don’t mow my yard I’m taking those away.

careful now, as one of them may quote you for Father’s Day on twitter - https://twitter.com/hashtag/dadquotes?lang=en

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by ray0414

I was hoping you would say it was no big deal and it wouldny effect anything. dam that Sony.

Apparently Sony are still keeping their actual replication plant going but distribution is a key link in that chain nonetheless. Someone else with a giant warehouse will take over but it's not going to have zero consequences. And one more link in the chain gone means that Sony have one less reason to stay in the disc-making business, they wrote down an awful lot of money on Blu-ray a few years ago and they've been looking to streamline it ever since.

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

zee solution - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...b#post16398335

or perhaps, given his avatar, that of bruceames - https://www.runnersworld.com/news/a2...marathon-beer/

choices abound, and we haven't even delved into legal cannabis to ease your pain, just remember not to recreate and drive....plus, everythings best in moderation

I've already had a pint of an ale called Ghost Ship while watching the golf on the teevee this evening, 'tis lovely stuff.

[DisplayCalNoob]

Happy Father's Day, even if you are across the pond.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

....I think the investigators came up with that catchy name of hyper-realism based upon Mach Band, Cherveul’s illusion, etc. which is physically unmeasurable and can only be experienced cognitively.

Even though the following flatpanels contributor is unfamiliar with the cognitive concepts ^ involved, as I’ve reminded folks for years, the human visual system consists of the eyes and the brain - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...r#post11089290
which determine ultimately how well we see.

So anyway, finally, a journalist steps up – “As for 4K upscaling - object/database-driven or not - we remain unconvinced that 8K TVs can add much extra value to 4K content. True 4K content already looks good and is detailed enough to present well even on a 85-inch TV but these upscaling systems cannot magically add extra details in real-time processing. There are algorithms trained by machine learning that can do exciting stuff but we are still years away from doing it in real-time with 8K resolution. And if the game or movie industry want this to be applied to content in the first place, they should do it on the studio side - not in TVs.

We had a Sony 4K TV next to Z9G and despite limited time we think it was fairly obvious that there is nothing of essence to gain.”
https://www.flatpanelshd.com/review....&id=1559201058

If the tail (consumer TV manufacturers) desire to wag the dog (content providers) in a meaningful way for consumers, they should be pressing the later to routinely capture and deliver HFR (120/100 fps) content - https://tech.ebu.ch/testsequences
rather than pushing higher spatial resolution, again.

[LordoftheRings]

...And get back to 3D. ...In HDR picture this time around, and with 3D HRA audio.

[Geoff D]

Damn, so the ZG9 doesn't even have the per-LED backlight control of the ZD9? It's no wonder it presents more blooming which still amazes me about the ZD9, I mean it's not perfect and still has certain torture tests that trip it up, but simply showing subtitles on a dark screen isn't one of them. And look at how the image still visibly degrades when off-axis anyway, that X-Wide Angle thing is a total waste of time.

[LordoftheRings]

OLED doesn't have that issue, with a narrow field of view; horizontal and vertical perspective.
That Sony Z9D HDR model was the real deal, the King of LED 4K TVs.
Why is Sony not making like them anymore...too costly? Because it came with 3D support?

[Robert Zohn]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Damn, so the ZG9 doesn't even have the per-LED backlight control of the ZD9? It's no wonder it presents more blooming which still amazes me about the ZD9, I mean it's not perfect and still has certain torture tests that trip it up, but simply showing subtitles on a dark screen isn't one of them. And look at how the image still visibly degrades when off-axis anyway, that X-Wide Angle thing is a total waste of time.

I totally agree with the exception of off axis, which is very very good on the 2019 8K HDR Z9G.

[gkolb]

Applause to Flatpanels for a in-depth critique and eval.
Geoff, I’m just as amazed that the led’s are segment controlled. And at 720 it seems like a low amount, I’m guessing it’s to keep the power usage down, esp. for HDR content.

I’m not really ready to convert to OLED considering the burn-in possibilities, this TV gets used for all kinds of content, not just movies.

In the words of a certain princess, help me Micro-LED, you’re my only hope...