Starship Troopers 4K UHD (1997) (20th Anniversary Edition) - Page 64 - Blu-ray Forum

Geoff D · 11-02-2022, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Daz_85

Meanwhile in the UK... we've had no 4K release of this yet at all! Boo!

That'd be the Mouse's fault.

Geoff D · 11-02-2022, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Hedrox

Importing from the US is quite expensive these days for most EU countries. It's hard to justify €50+ for one movie.

At current rates I'll be paying about £35 for the ST steelie at Amazon.com. It's not cheap, but it's not what I'd consider to be ball-bustingly expensive either.

andreasy969 · 11-02-2022, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Hedrox

Importing from the US is quite expensive these days for most EU countries. It's hard to justify €50+ for one movie.

While I agree with the first part, I still fail to see where the €50+ for one movie are coming from, if we're talking majors and not, say, A24. This one in particular is really relatively cheap actually.

Having said that, "just import" is also funny when it's coming from US folk usually not importing themselves even if their lives depended on it.

trevorlj · 11-02-2022, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by sleeman

Just watched the new disc, what a beauty! Briefly compared with the previous version. After watching the new disc it's very harsh to watch the old one at 4000 nits brightness. The brightness on the new disc is very natural and pleasing, not eye searing. Compression and grain management also looks much better. If you're a fan of the movie it's worth a double dip, in my opinion. It was fun revisiting this movie as well.

Yep...my thoughts exactly. Brightness on the old 4K was over-the-top on my Sony Z9D and Z8H. Probably not as much of a problem on an 800 nit set but 1600+ nits in a light controlled room it's like "MY EYYYEESSS!"

New 4K looks WAY better in DV. First act didn't show off the improved grading as much as the second half of the film (which was WAY overcooked previously). Not only that but the image just holds together better.

Same old Atmos track but still dug listening to it for the first time on my new setup. Lots of overhead action. I loved when

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Geoff D · 11-02-2022, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by trevorlj

Yep...my thoughts exactly. Brightness on the old 4K was over-the-top on my Sony Z9D and Z8H. Probably not as much of a problem on an 800 nit set but 1800+ nits it's like "MY EYYYEESSS!"

New one looks WAY better in DV. First act didn't show off the improved grading as much as the second half of the film (which was WAY overcooked previously). Not only that but the image just holds together better.

Same old Atmos track but still dug listening to it for the first time on my new setup. Lots of overhead action. I loved when

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Have youse guys turned off the DV to see what the HDR10 looks like? I've yet to come across one of these Sony reissues that had a substantially dimmer grade at source than the previous version, if anything they've been slightly brighter on the new discs. The DV dims it down drastically but that's what Sony's DV implementation in their TVs does.

Anyone know if this disc is a double layer or triple decker?

PeterTHX · 11-02-2022, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by geoff d

have youse guys turned off the dv to see what the hdr10 looks like? I've yet to come across one of these sony reissues that had a substantially dimmer grade at source than the previous version, if anything they've been slightly brighter on the new discs. The dv dims it down drastically but that's what sony's dv implementation in their tvs does.

Anyone know if this disc is a double layer or triple decker?

bd-100

Hedrox · 11-02-2022, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by andreasy969

While I agree with the first part, I still fail to see where the €50+ for one movie are coming from, if we're talking majors and not, say, A24. This one in particular is really relatively cheap actually.

Depends on the country I guess, but for me anything coming from outside the EU goes through customs, which means paperwork and extra import fees (which are quite pricey).

andreasy969 · 11-02-2022, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Hedrox

Depends on the country I guess, but for me anything coming from outside the EU goes through customs, which means paperwork and extra import fees (which are quite pricey).

I always assumed, maybe wrongly so and don't ask me why, you also living in Germany and that our additional fees would be the same.

Hedrox · 11-02-2022, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

Have youse guys turned off the DV to see what the HDR10 looks like? I've yet to come across one of these Sony reissues that had a substantially dimmer grade at source than the previous version, if anything they've been slightly brighter on the new discs. The DV dims it down drastically but that's what Sony's DV implementation in their TVs does.

I also doubt the compression and grain management is "much better", as someone else put it. They might be better when AB-ing frames, but in motion it probably isn't substantial enough to be that noticeable.

chas speed · 11-02-2022, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by trevorlj

Yep...my thoughts exactly. Brightness on the old 4K was over-the-top on my Sony Z9D and Z8H. Probably not as much of a problem on an 800 nit set but 1600+ nits in a light controlled room it's like "MY EYYYEESSS!"

New 4K looks WAY better in DV. First act didn't show off the improved grading as much as the second half of the film (which was WAY overcooked previously). Not only that but the image just holds together better.

Same old Atmos track but still dug listening to it for the first time on my new setup. Lots of overhead action. I loved when

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Thanks, that's what I was hoping for. Mine shipped a few days ago.

Geoff D · 11-02-2022, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Hedrox

I also doubt the compression and grain management is "much better", as someone else put it. They might be better when AB-ing frames, but in motion it probably isn't substantial enough to be that noticeable.

Challenge accepted. (I’ve been whinging about the compression on Troopers’ UHD for years.)

Rollo Tomassi · 11-03-2022, 09:02 AM

Compression and grain resolvement look nicerer on the new Bram Stoker's Dracula 4K release! Hope Sony extend that courtesy to my favourite exterminators...

Angry Virginian · 11-03-2022, 01:26 PM

Looks like potentially a nice upgrade. Haven't watched the new disc yet.

25th Anniversary Edition (USA)

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Disc Title: Starship Troopers: Anniversary Edition - 4K Ultra HD
Disc Label: STARSHIP_TROOPERS_ANNIV_ED
Disc Size: 89,452,492,943 bytes
Protection: AACS2
Playlist: 00001.MPLS
Size: 85,304,524,800 bytes
Length: 2:09:28.760
Total Bitrate: 87.84 Mbps

Video: MPEG-H HEVC Video / 67576 kbps / 2160p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Main 10 @ Level 5.1 @ High / 10 bits / HDR10 / BT.2020
* Video: MPEG-H HEVC Video / 2091 kbps / 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Main 10 @ Level 5.1 @ High / 10 bits / Dolby Vision / BT.2020

Audio: English / Dolby TrueHD/Atmos Audio / 7.1 / 48 kHz /  5526 kbps / 24-bit (AC3 Embedded: 5.1 / 48 kHz /   640 kbps / DN -31dB)
Audio: English / DTS-HD Master Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz /  2336 kbps / 16-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz /  1509 kbps / 16-bit)
Audio: French / DTS-HD Master Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz /  2441 kbps / 16-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz /  1509 kbps / 16-bit)
Audio: Spanish / DTS-HD Master Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz /  1583 kbps / 16-bit (DTS Core: 2.0 / 48 kHz /  1509 kbps / 16-bit)

Subtitle: English / 29.218 kbps
Subtitle: English / 26.775 kbps
Subtitle: French / 26.767 kbps
Subtitle: Spanish / 26.432 kbps
Subtitle: French / 0.385 kbps

20th Anniversary Edition (not mine)

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Disc Title: STARSHIP_TROOPERS
Disc Size: 62,868,158,464 bytes
Protection: AACS2
BD-Java: Yes
Playlist: 00247.MPLS
Size: 62,662,225,920 bytes
Length: 2:09:28.760
Total Bitrate: 64.53 Mbps

Video: MPEG-H HEVC Video / 50475 kbps / 2160p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Main 10 Profile 5.1 High / 4:2:0 / 10 bits / HDR / BT.2020 /

Audio: English / Dolby Atmos/TrueHD Audio / 7.1-Atmos / 48 kHz / 6038 kbps / 24-bit (AC3 Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps)
Audio: English / DTS-HD Master Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz / 2336 kbps / 16-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 16-bit)
Audio: French / Dolby Digital Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps
Audio: Spanish / Dolby Digital Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / Dolby Surround
Audio: English / Dolby Digital Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps
Audio: English / Dolby Digital Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps

Subtitle: English / 31.126 kbps
Subtitle: English / 27.043 kbps
Subtitle: French / 26.972 kbps
Subtitle: Spanish / 27.435 kbps
Subtitle: French / 0.677 kbps
Subtitle: English / 63.11 kbps
Subtitle: English / 66.278 kbps

tama · 11-03-2022, 01:31 PM

Took a peek yesterday. The overall image looks nice. Grain field is nice and overall played back in DV the image doesn't look as Hot and harsh as before. Comparable to Ghostbusters. Same image just more refined now.

Geoff D · 11-03-2022, 02:09 PM

Steelbook has shipped! Eeeeeeeek! Oh I can't wait to get a look at this.

HD Goofnut · 11-03-2022, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

Steelbook has shipped! Eeeeeeeek! Oh I can't wait to get a look at this.

Hedrox · 11-03-2022, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Angry Virginian

Looks like potentially a nice upgrade. Haven't watched the new disc yet.

25th Anniversary Edition (USA)

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20th Anniversary Edition (not mine)

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Weird that they tinkered with the Atmos track (lower bitrate), instead of porting it over. Were there issues with it or something?

Geoff D · 11-03-2022, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Hedrox

Weird that they tinkered with the Atmos track (lower bitrate), instead of porting it over. Were there issues with it or something?

Bdinfo is weird in how it represents the audio bitrate, it seems to keep changing between including the 640 kb/s legacy track in the overall bitrate and not including it. If you add the two together then it's 6166 kb/s on the new one which is slightly higher than the old release.

MarkGubarenko · 11-03-2022, 02:57 PM

I don't get it - why they needed to remove two commentaries from 4k (based on bd-info)

Surge92 · 11-03-2022, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by andreasy969

Having said that, "just import" is also funny when it's coming from US folk usually not importing themselves even if their lives depended on it.

I'm in the U.S., and I have no qualms about importing. Just yesterday, I ordered the Gandhi German 4K, and prior to that, the German The Neverending Story 4K, as well as some Italian 4Kult titles. I actually love importing.

11-03-2022, 09:02 AM	#1272
Rollo Tomassi Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Sep 2015 Location:Germany 4K collection:328 Blu-ray collection:678 DVD collection:64	Compression and grain resolvement look nicerer on the new Bram Stoker's Dracula 4K release! Hope Sony extend that courtesy to my favourite exterminators... Last edited by Rollo Tomassi; 11-03-2022 at 09:18 AM.

11-03-2022, 01:31 PM	#1274
tama Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Nov 2010 Location:San Jose, CA 4K collection:691 Blu-ray collection:1235	Took a peek yesterday. The overall image looks nice. Grain field is nice and overall played back in DV the image doesn't look as Hot and harsh as before. Comparable to Ghostbusters. Same image just more refined now.

11-03-2022, 02:09 PM	#1275
Geoff D Blu-ray Emperor Top contributor Member since:Feb 2009 Location:Swanage, Engerland 4K collection:1348 Blu-ray collection:2525 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:33	Steelbook has shipped! Eeeeeeeek! Oh I can't wait to get a look at this.

11-03-2022, 02:57 PM	#1279
MarkGubarenko Expert Member Top contributor Member since:Nov 2007 Location:Russia 4K collection:649 Blu-ray collection:774 DVD collection:5 Digital collection:4 iTunes collection:131 Trading Score:4	I don't get it - why they needed to remove two commentaries from 4k (based on bd-info)

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