Starship Troopers 4K UHD (1997) (20th Anniversary Edition) - Page 66 - Blu-ray Forum

dlbsyst · 11-06-2022, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by lgans316

In Dolby Vision I trust. Amen.

How much better is the Dolby Vision on this release? I have the original release and the HDR is too hot IMO. The new one seems identical. Does the DV have a different grade for the tone mapping or is it also hot?

DaylightsEnd · 11-06-2022, 01:11 AM

I was also wondering to myself if the DV would calm this puppy down a bit.

Geoff D · 11-06-2022, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian81

Even the compression looks close to me on those caps. The old disc had the original soundtrack as well?

Not to me. The brighter shots fare betterer on the old one, they always did look great, but the interiors (shot on some noisy-as hell 500-speed stock) are more cohesive on the new one. Even on the new one the grain doesn't look tack-sharp and still seems a bit blocky, but it's way blockier on the old one!

KMFDMvsEnya · 11-06-2022, 01:57 AM

Better encode but the same LIGHT CANNON HDR!?!
Really hoped that would have been tamed down and more in line with how HDR is supposed to be handled, not nuked APL.
Cest la vie, maybe for the 30th...

DaylightsEnd · 11-06-2022, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by KMFDMvsEnya

Better encode but the same LIGHT CANON HDR!?!
Really hoped that would have been tamed down and more in line with how HDR is supposed to be handled, not nuked APL.
Cest la vie, maybe for the 30th...

Ouch not fair! A gif from Sunshine.....another sublime Fox horror sci fi title inextricably ensconced in the inescapable mousetrap from hell, where films are left to languish and die.

Geoff D · 11-06-2022, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by KMFDMvsEnya

Better encode but the same LIGHT CANON HDR!?!
Really hoped that would have been tamed down and more in line with how HDR is supposed to be handled, not nuked APL.
Cest la vie, maybe for the 30th...

None of these Sony reissues have materially changed the grade except for the smallest fraction of colour here and there, though if anything some of the reissues seem the slightest bit brighter to my eyes. But it's all about dat DV when it comes to taming the image.

dlbsyst · 11-06-2022, 01:22 AM

This is one instance where I actually prefer the regular Blu-ray. It looks far more natural. Yeah, it's softer but looks like film. The 4k looks sharper but maybe over sharp. The HDR I just don't like. I wish it was better. Sony does much better transfers now. Take a look at Heavy Metal. It's perfect! Sadly this was an early effort and they hadn't quite figured it out IMO.

Geoff D · 11-06-2022, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by dlbsyst

This is one instance where I actually prefer the regular Blu-ray. It looks far more natural. Yeah, it's softer but looks like film. The 4k looks sharper but maybe over sharp. The HDR I just don't like. I wish it was better. Sony does much better transfers now. Take a look at Heavy Metal. It's perfect! Sadly this was an early effort and they hadn't quite figured it out IMO.

Give the Dobly a chance. That plus the new encode tends to smooth out these harsher early UHDs from Sony.

dlbsyst · 11-06-2022, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

Give the Dobly a chance. That plus the new encode tends to smooth out these harsher early UHDs from Sony.

Okay, I'll take a look at it tomorrow and report back.

Geoff D · 11-06-2022, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by dlbsyst

Okay, I'll take a look at it tomorrow and report back.

So you've already bought it anyway despite not liking it?

dlbsyst · 11-06-2022, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

So you've already bought it anyway despite not liking it?

No, I'm watching the disc on my Nvidia Shield Pro. It can't do DV, only HDR10. I'll have to work some magic so that I can watch it in DV on my Panasonic UB820.

Geoff D · 11-06-2022, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by dlbsyst

No, I'm watching the disc on my Nvidia Shield Pro. It can't do DV, only HDR10. I'll have to work some magic so that I can watch it in DV on my Panasonic UB820.

Oh, you're watching the "disc" in a nudge-nudge wink-wink kinda way?

dlbsyst · 11-06-2022, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

Oh, you're watching the "disc" in a nudge-nudge wink-wink kinda way?

LoL 😆

NeilZ · 11-06-2022, 02:18 AM

I'm the first to want to rush to an upgrade but in this one I'm really struggling to see it. I can see the difference on my computer zoomed in, but from normal viewing distance to the tv, nothing much at all. I assume with DV there might be added benefit though (since these caps are sdr), but this micro minute visible improvement might be hard to justify an upgrade here.

mjvmovieman · 11-06-2022, 02:25 AM

Is the standard BD remastered or same old old disc?

PonyoBellanote · 11-06-2022, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by mjvmovieman

Is the standard BD remastered or same old old disc?

Same exact disc as 2008.

Geoff D · 11-06-2022, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by NeilZ

I'm the first to want to rush to an upgrade but in this one I'm really struggling to see it. I can see the difference on my computer zoomed in, but from normal viewing distance to the tv, nothing much at all. I assume with DV there might be added benefit though (since these caps are sdr), but this micro minute visible improvement might be hard to justify an upgrade here.

If you're basing this entirely on still caps then ehhhh. I'm banking on the tighter compression being kinder to things like temporal resolution as well as spatial details.

maverick22 · 11-06-2022, 04:12 AM

Just checked out a few scenes.

I’m happier that the grain on this new 4k disc is indeed handled better (on my LG C7 OLED) than the original 4k disc! On the original, the “swarming ants” effect was just way too much for me.

andreasy969 · 11-06-2022, 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by lgans316

In Dolby Vision I trust. Amen.

I wouldn't put it that way, but I get that.

I'm not completely certain yet, but: The DV might be of service mid term, but long term I'd have to find a way around it and tame it otherwise anyway. Also, if I upgrade Starship Troopers, knowing myself, I might eventually want to upgrade all of them. As in Kwai and Groundhog as well - the others I already have anyway, but they gave me more reasons to or in case of Crouching Tiger will be an "accident" really. And not sure I want to go that route. The irony being that the itch is there already also because of said accident...

Had Sony put it in a nice package, I would've bit for sure. But I hate the Sony pop art - this isn't exactly ugly, but I really don't know what they were thinking re. Skeletor. Nothing and happened out of ignorance I guess.

andreasy969 · 11-06-2022, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by dlbsyst

This is one instance where I actually prefer the regular Blu-ray. It looks far more natural. Yeah, it's softer but looks like film. The 4k looks sharper but maybe over sharp. The HDR I just don't like. I wish it was better. Sony does much better transfers now. Take a look at Heavy Metal. It's perfect! Sadly this was an early effort and they hadn't quite figured it out IMO.

Yeah, some of the early Sony grades are a pity IMO. This one in particular, because I don't see the mouse doing it more tastefully instead and with Sony that's most likely the end of the story now.

11-06-2022, 01:57 AM	#1304
KMFDMvsEnya Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jun 2014 Location:UT	Better encode but the same LIGHT CANNON HDR!?! Really hoped that would have been tamed down and more in line with how HDR is supposed to be handled, not nuked APL. Cest la vie, maybe for the 30th... Last edited by KMFDMvsEnya; 11-06-2022 at 03:05 AM. Reason: Can't spell, dammit.

11-06-2022, 01:11 AM	#1302
DaylightsEnd Blu-ray Knight Member since:May 2019 Blu-ray collection:1 Blu-ray reviews:1	I was also wondering to myself if the DV would calm this puppy down a bit.

11-06-2022, 01:22 AM	#1307
dlbsyst Power Member Member since:Jan 2011 Location:Irving, TX	This is one instance where I actually prefer the regular Blu-ray. It looks far more natural. Yeah, it's softer but looks like film. The 4k looks sharper but maybe over sharp. The HDR I just don't like. I wish it was better. Sony does much better transfers now. Take a look at Heavy Metal. It's perfect! Sadly this was an early effort and they hadn't quite figured it out IMO.

11-06-2022, 02:18 AM	#1314
NeilZ Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Feb 2021	I'm the first to want to rush to an upgrade but in this one I'm really struggling to see it. I can see the difference on my computer zoomed in, but from normal viewing distance to the tv, nothing much at all. I assume with DV there might be added benefit though (since these caps are sdr), but this micro minute visible improvement might be hard to justify an upgrade here.

11-06-2022, 02:25 AM	#1315
mjvmovieman Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Feb 2010 Blu-ray collection:136 Digital collection:1 iTunes collection:2 Blu-ray reviews: 3 Trading Score:267	Is the standard BD remastered or same old old disc?

11-06-2022, 04:12 AM	#1318
maverick22 Blu-ray Champion Member since:Aug 2009 Location:Tejas 4K collection:946 Blu-ray collection:1427 DVD collection:2 MA collection:3 Digital collection:9 iTunes collection:10 Trading Score:283	Just checked out a few scenes. I’m happier that the grain on this new 4k disc is indeed handled better (on my LG C7 OLED) than the original 4k disc! On the original, the “swarming ants” effect was just way too much for me.

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