Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[Pondosinatra]

Hard read...

"Not one of the 12 people suspected to have died of Covid-19 on Anthony's shift had been tested for coronavirus. As a result, their deaths were not included in the official coronavirus death toll in New York last Sunday, which stood at 594."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52196815

[BeastCreatureTrapper]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

That doesn't look free-range/cavemen-fed, you monster!

[intoanewlife]

Originally Posted by Pondosinatra

Hard read...

"Not one of the 12 people suspected to have died of Covid-19 on Anthony's shift had been tested for coronavirus. As a result, their deaths were not included in the official coronavirus death toll in New York last Sunday, which stood at 594."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52196815

Just horrific

[ThePreacher]

This is a time where I am incredibly grateful that I live in rural America. Our stores have been pretty consistently stocked with food and toilet paper. "Prepping" is a common thing here in Montana in normal times - thus, I think a lot of people already had stock of many common items.

I for one, am not "afraid" of what the future holds as I do cling to my faith. However, I do understand that for many, the fear of the unknown is a scary thing.

I guess my theory on things is that worrying about it will only harm my physical health - whatever will be, will be. I can only do my best to keep my family safe and to keep my health in tact.

[Staying Salty]

A red pill or another shade of blue????

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[hockeyshark91]

Originally Posted by Staying Salty

A red pill or another shade of blue????

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Agree or disagree, there's no denying there's plenty of truth in that video.

[mar3o]

People are literally just stating opposite things at this point:

"At this time, there is promising preliminary evidence that antibodies to SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that causes COVID-19 disease, will prevent reinfection."

https://news.yahoo.com/the-promise-o...205810198.html

"Recovered coronavirus patients test positive again in blow to immunity hopes"

https://www.yahoo.com/news/recovered...161747102.html

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by mar3o

People are literally just stating opposite things at this point:

"At this time, there is promising preliminary evidence that antibodies to SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that causes COVID-19 disease, will prevent reinfection."

https://news.yahoo.com/the-promise-o...205810198.html

"Recovered coronavirus patients test positive again in blow to immunity hopes"

https://www.yahoo.com/news/recovered...161747102.html

To be expected. There is that much crap on social media that exists just for a few clicks. The same is true of websites. Every single thing is ‘news’ these days and I hate it.

[TheDZA]

Michigan Govenor has now banned home to home visits. Mississippi cops have issued $500 tickets to church worshippers sitting in their cars 6 ft apart with windows rolled up. Yet we can all meet regularly and mingle our germs at our local market or liquor store. Epidemiologically speaking this is madness. Why is is more dangerous for people to keep going to work, so its banned, than waiting in line and standing next to others at the produce stand? The bureaucrats and politicians we've handed our lives to dont care about us. They pander us with "free money". If this shutdown affected the elites and anyone paid by through the federal and states tax budget, you can guarantee the shutdowns would not be so widespread. Flu strains vary every year but we dont take such extreme measures. From the time of middle of Nov 19 to middle of Jan 2020 the CDC reported 8200 influenza deaths here, which is likely double due to underlying conditions being attributed to other deaths. You see with the flu, if you die of a heart attack, it's a heart attack. NOW with the politicization of covid19 if you die with covid of even a fall down the stairs, it's a covid death. In 2017 70,000+ died of drug overdoses in our country and in 2018 67,000+, yet CNN doesn't have a rolling tally of any of this. Any death is tragic, but the power grab the politicians, the media, and especially bureaucrats have taken over our lives recently is scary. Especially considering how many times they've been WRONG or we've been lied to about this situation. Stanford disease chair Dr. Ioannidis below how we're making ever constant damaging decisions based on bad data.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/...reliable-data/

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by mar3o

People are literally just stating opposite things at this point:

"At this time, there is promising preliminary evidence that antibodies to SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that causes COVID-19 disease, will prevent reinfection."

https://news.yahoo.com/the-promise-o...205810198.html

"Recovered coronavirus patients test positive again in blow to immunity hopes"

https://www.yahoo.com/news/recovered...161747102.html

Those two things aren't necessarily in contradiction to one another. We don't know whether the cases in S. Korea are actually re-infections, or simply the same virus that initially infected them being present still when testing again. Another possibility is that a completely different strain infected them. There's also a possibility that those people simply didn't build up a strong enough supply of antibodies to fend off the virus.

I think most people who get antibodies should be immune from getting it again,.but future or mutated strains will still be a problem, but maybe less severe. I'm not really concerned right now about re-infection.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by TheDZA

Michigan Govenor has now banned home to home visits. Mississippi cops have issued $500 tickets to church worshippers sitting in their cars 6 ft apart with windows rolled up. Yet we can all meet regularly and mingle our germs at our local market or liquor store. Epidemiologically speaking this is madness. Why is is more dangerous for people to keep going to work, so its banned, than waiting in line and standing next to others at the produce stand? The bureaucrats and politicians we've handed our lives to dont care about us. They pander us with "free money". If this shutdown affected the elites and anyone paid by through the federal and states tax budget, you can guarantee the shutdowns would not be so widespread. Flu strains vary every year but we dont take such extreme measures. From the time of middle of Nov 19 to middle of Jan 2020 the CDC reported 8200 influenza deaths here, which is likely double due to underlying conditions being attributed to other deaths. You see with the flu, if you die of a heart attack, it's a heart attack. NOW with the politicization of covid19 if you die with covid of even a fall down the stairs, it's a covid death. In 2017 70,000+ died of drug overdoses in our country and in 2018 67,000+, yet CNN doesn't have a rolling tally of any of this. Any death is tragic, but the power grab the politicians, the media, and especially bureaucrats have taken over our lives recently is scary. Especially considering how many times they've been WRONG or we've been lied to about this situation. Stanford disease chair Dr. Ioannidis below how we're making ever constant damaging decisions based on bad data.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/...reliable-data/

It's a tough situation regarding the church. If they allow members to congregate in a parking lot, then it sets a precedent for other groups or people to do the same in other parking lots or areas. You'll have groups of kids doing it. Then windows will eventually get rolled down, people will get out to go to the bathroom, go say hi to other cars, and then it goes from there. It's basically non-essential travel being enforced.

On the other side many members are poor and don't have internet, so they can't have virtual (zoom) services or receive notifications on what's going on.

In the end government is seen as wicked and anti-God, and church goers seen as potential superspreaders and rebellious by the authorities. Hopefully some middle ground can be found, but I don't see how really, unless they all can get connected virtually (who will pay for that?)

The government has to use data to make decisions. The quality of the data can be debated, but the more data we have on this, the better the model is. This is a dynamic model, not a static one based on info 3-4 weeks old. It is constantly being revised and updated. That does not mean it's a bad model. On the contrary.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

Those two things aren't necessarily in contradiction to one another. We don't know whether the cases in S. Korea are actually re-infections, or simply the same virus that initially infected them being present still when testing again. Another possibility is that a completely different strain infected them. There's also a possibility that those people simply didn't build up a strong enough supply of antibodies to fend off the virus.

there is also the possibility of false positives, false negatives and that it went away without the body crating antibodies.

I think most people who get antibodies should be immune from getting it again,.but future or mutated strains will still be a problem, but maybe less severe.

it depends. With some pathogens once you have immunity it is for ever. With others after a wile your body forgets how to create those antibodies for example that is why it is recommended for adults to get a tetanus booster every 10 years

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I'm not really concerned right now about re-infection.[/QUOTE]
it is not as much about fearing re-infection but what it means about getting back to a new "normal" and what that new "Normal" will be.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by ThePreacher

This is a time where I am incredibly grateful that I live in rural America. Our stores have been pretty consistently stocked with food and toilet paper. "Prepping" is a common thing here in Montana in normal times - thus, I think a lot of people already had stock of many common items.

I for one, am not "afraid" of what the future holds as I do cling to my faith. However, I do understand that for many, the fear of the unknown is a scary thing.

I guess my theory on things is that worrying about it will only harm my physical health - whatever will be, will be. I can only do my best to keep my family safe and to keep my health in tact.

Would be awesome to be "sheltered" on a large farm, with endless acres to roam around in. I would think that people geographically isolated right now are feeling rather fortunate to have all that space.

[Batman1980]

I think Cuomo needs to issue more restrictions to get a grip on the death toll in his state.

[intoanewlife]

Originally Posted by Batman1980

I think Cuomo needs to issue more restrictions to get a grip on the death toll in his state.

The people dying today, got it a month ago.

1-2 weeks incubation. 1 week of mild/normal symptoms. 1 week of bad symptoms. Then hospitalisation if you don't fight it off in Week 3/4.

The number of new cases is what is important at this point to see if the lockdown measures are working. The people dying now already had it as the lockdowns were starting.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by TheDZA

Why is is more dangerous for people to keep going to work, so its banned, than waiting in line and standing next to others at the produce stand?

simple because even though it might seem that way people cannot die of boredom listening to their coworkers endless stories around the water cooler but people can die of starvation because they don't have food at home and they can't buy it because some people can't understand the difference.

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by Batman1980

I think Cuomo needs to issue more restrictions to get a grip on the death toll in his state.

Deaths are a legging stat. Hospitalizations, ICU admissions, and intubations, are dropping a lot compared to weeks prior The social distancing appears to be working, but it will still take some time before we see significant declines in deaths. It's easy to say issue more restrictions, but what exactly is there more to do? We've shut down everything but essential services. Save for shutting down the subway,which isn't possible, or trying to enforce the current restrictions more, there's not a whole lot more than can be done as far as guidelines/restrictions go.

[Scarface32]

Saw this on Twitter, thought it was funny.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by intoanewlife

The people dying today, got it a month ago.

1-2 weeks incubation. 1 week of mild/normal symptoms. 1 week of bad symptoms. Then hospitalisation if you don't fight it off in Week 3/4.

The number of new cases is what is important at this point to see if the lockdown measures are working. The people dying now already had it as the lockdowns were starting.

the problem with "new cases" is that it is a less real number. Deaths should be the most accurate number, hospitalization/ICU is crucial to manage resources but new cases 100% depends on testing.

[intoanewlife]

Originally Posted by TheDZA

Michigan Govenor has now banned home to home visits.

Good so he should, like the rest of the world.

Mississippi cops have issued $500 tickets to church worshippers sitting in their cars 6 ft apart with windows rolled up.


Good, you can worship anywhere. Isn't that the whole point of God being everywhere?

Yet we can all meet regularly and mingle our germs at our local market or liquor store.

You HAVE to eat, you don't HAVE to pray with other people.

Epidemiologically speaking this is madness.

No it is common sense.

Why is is more dangerous for people to keep going to work, so its banned, than waiting in line and standing next to others at the produce stand?

Really?

The bureaucrats and politicians we've handed our lives to dont care about us.

Did you hand your life over to them? I certainly didn't. I just don't want to die.


They pander us with "free money".

Would you rather they let you starve and go broke? 80% of Americans live from pay check to pay check with less than $400 in savings.


If this shutdown affected the elites and anyone paid by through the federal and states tax budget, you can guarantee the shutdowns would not be so widespread.

It does affect them, they can't go out either. They just live in a nicer house than you.

Flu strains vary every year but we dont take such extreme measures.

Most other flu strains are human to human virus's. This is a animal to human virus. Totally different thing. This virus affects the body differently to most other flus.

From the time of middle of Nov 19 to middle of Jan 2020 the CDC reported 8200 influenza deaths here, which is likely double due to underlying conditions being attributed to other deaths.

Well it was flu season...

Yes because they were dying from other conditions, the flu wasn't causing them to die the way this does.

You see with the flu, if you die of a heart attack, it's a heart attack. NOW with the politicization of covid19 if you die with covid of even a fall down the stairs, it's a covid death.

Because Covid is killing them, their organs shut down. It isn't a normal heart attack, it's caused by the virus.

If someone falls down the stairs at home it is not diagnosed as Covid because they aren't counting home deaths in their numbers...nor are they testing for the virus if you died at home. Complete bollocks

In 2017 70,000+ died of drug overdoses in our country and in 2018 67,000+, yet CNN doesn't have a rolling tally of any of this.

People chose to take drugs, they do not choose to catch Covid 19. Well some do because they're idiots and don't follow the rules, but for the most part I doubt anyone actually WANTS to catch it.

Any death is tragic, but the power grab the politicians, the media, and especially bureaucrats have taken over our lives recently is scary. Especially considering how many times they've been WRONG or we've been lied to about this situation.

No one has been lied to about anything...well since the whole 'it'll just go away on its own' thing....it's science...there are many different strains of this thing and many different variances in testing a lot of which have been failures early on and still are. Things chance on a daily basis and new things are discovered every day. If you don't want a day to day analysis, don't read it because it is always going to change until they understand the virus better. But it isn't lies...different scientists are working on different mutations of the virus and therefore their conclusions are all different.

Stanford disease chair Dr. Ioannidis below how we're making ever constant damaging decisions based on bad data.

I can't....

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/...reliable-data/