Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Pondosinatra

Well that's the thing. Can't get a straight answer.

California says one town they tested 60%+ had been infected. France or Germany comes out with a study and they say less than 5% infected.

No one knows.

there are two issues

1) covid-19 is extremely contagious. So any small nit community or event with one person that is infected will in no time become almost everyone is infected. In south Korea a re-opened club, one night out and one asymptotic person made over 100 people sick https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN22P0NO

here in Quebec, a bit under a month ago, the gouvernment asked the military for help with the worst hit long term health facilities (combat medics and nurses and stuff and stuff not for military confrontation). https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cov...omes-1.5571607 4 of the young (and one in Ontario) at this point in time 4 (+1 in Ontario) of these young, strong, previously healthy people with protective
gear have caught it.

so is it possible that in a small town the cases would be disproportionally high, absolutely while in the next town there is none? absolutely

2) I don't remember who it was, but ask the poster that got the serology test, it comes with a warning that says "positive" is meaningless. They have a high rate of false positives.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Here's How Airplane Seats Could Change After Coronavirus

those mockups don't look very realistic. People need to be able to squeeze in to the window seat and they need to reach lower for kids.

A simpler solution would be a curtain type of scenario you pull down or pull forward.

[MifuneFan]

God look how cramped those rows are. My legs would be in agony sitting in one of the back rows.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Moviefan1203

Rick Bright’s testimony today was quite eye opening. My goodness gracious.

Yes it was. I eventually listened to the recording of his testimony last evening, something I give way more credence to than talking heads during daily press events given Dr. Bright knows (and which was made clear to him in the introductory comments) that it is illegal to lie to Congress. In the quest to get a vaccine on the market by the end of the year, my fear now is that, unless they’re already out of the regulatory loop, selective people at CBER of FDA -
https://www.fda.gov/about-fda/fda-or...-research-cber

could be leveraged or intimidated by unscrupulous forces into inappropriately shifting its standards in the decision-making process with regards to the risk-benefit analysis and green lighting a vaccine which shouldn’t be approved despite a pandemic, something dobyblu alluded to weeks ago. Sure, for life-threatening diseases, the law gives FDA a certain amount of discretion in shifting that balance, within reason. I hope that the vaccine regulators are left to do their work, ethically, with zero interference from anyone. Not to mention, if things go wrong, it will bring the misguided anti-vaxxers out of the woodwork with zeal, again.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Here's How Airplane Seats Could Change After Coronavirus

So for the guy in the front row ... I guess they searched for "man who likes to let his balls breathe while he strokes his chin" from the stock image site?

Will be interesting to see how all that perspex fares during a crash landing. What happens when you bend forward you're under the coverage?

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

2) I don't remember who it was, but ask the poster that got the serology test, it comes with a warning that says "positive" is meaningless. They have a high rate of false positives.

That was me.

I've also known people who get false negatives. So go figure. Bottom line is that they're notoriously unreliable.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by bruceames

The purpose is to block direct viral particle flow from other people's mouths, whether from talking, breathing, coughing or sneezing. The airplane itself has high quality hepa filters and refreshes the cabin air every few minutes, so there's no danger of aerosol infection.

I agree with that but

No, they'll help a lot.

this part is where people see an issue

1) let's say that girl walking goes to the second row window seat[INDENT]a) it will be very hard for her to pass and if she can she will need to be extremely close to the first row people
b) if she removes the mask in the aisle (easier to do then the cramped seat) or the guy in the middle seat does not put on a mask when he gets up for her to pass then any droplets will fall on the people in the first row
2) I get the room for the arm (needs more space then the head, but t if one of the people turns their head ( the girl or guy to look pout the window, the two guys to the corridor, one of the droplets would fall below the arm opening and so will land on the other persons arm.


ps if we are talking aerosol then there will always be some reaching others before it goes through the planes recirculating system.

[Underworld54]

Imagine sitting in those seats on a 18 hour flight? You'd need a chiropractor upon arrival. Plus those shield would make it very claustrophobic.

[Dollar Colonel]

Seems to me like making people wear masks on planes while providing them disinfectant in each row is a lot easier and effective.

[bruceames]

I'll take the shields. I hate wearing a mask longer than it takes to get in and out of a grocery store.

[DetroitSportsFan]

Originally Posted by Dollar Colonel

Seems to me like making people wear masks on planes while providing them disinfectant in each row is a lot easier and effective.

They know there’s a segment of the population that will refuse to use them (“muh rights!”) so this is the alternative.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by DetroitSportsFan

They know there’s a segment of the population that will refuse to use them (“muh rights!”) so this is the alternative.

It's not that. Prolonged wearing of masks is not healthy and very uncomfortable. Many people would get headaches wearing them for a 6 hour flight, not to mention those feeling claustrophobic or feeling like they were suffocating. Even those who wear them as part of their job are able to take a breather every few hours, and they are used to it.

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by bruceames

It's not that. Prolonged wearing of masks is not healthy and very uncomfortable. Many people would get headaches wearing them for a 6 hour flight, not to mention those feeling claustrophobic or feeling like they were suffocating. Even those who wear them as part of their job are able to take a breather every few hours, and they are used to it.

You can't completely discount those people though. They clearly exist.

[Pondosinatra]

Originally Posted by chip75

So for the guy in the front row ... I guess they searched for "man who likes to let his balls breathe while he strokes his chin" from the stock image site?...

[Eye Candy]

Originally Posted by chip75

So for the guy in the front row ... I guess they searched for "man who likes to let his balls breathe while he strokes his chin" from the stock image site?

Will be interesting to see how all that perspex fares during a crash landing. What happens when you bend forward you're under the coverage?

Those dividers will not protect you from powerful fart plumes. Better be wearing a mask and goggles.

[Underworld54]

Originally Posted by bruceames

It's not that. Prolonged wearing of masks is not healthy and very uncomfortable. Many people would get headaches wearing them for a 6 hour flight, not to mention those feeling claustrophobic or feeling like they were suffocating. Even those who wear them as part of their job are able to take a breather every few hours, and they are used to it.

That's how wearing a mask feels to me, like I'm in a very claustrophobic spot. I hate things over my nose and mouth.

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by Underworld54

That's how wearing a mask feels to me, like I'm in a very claustrophobic spot. I hate things over my nose and mouth.

There's only one thing I like over my mouth...

[Underworld54]

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

There's only one thing I like over my mouth...

Oh boy...

[Dollar Colonel]

Originally Posted by DetroitSportsFan

They know there’s a segment of the population that will refuse to use them (“muh rights!”) so this is the alternative.

Then those people can take the train, boat, bus, or walk. Or charge them for an extra seat(s) the same way we do for fat people.

[Gold Ranger]

Another day, no stimulus in either bank or in mail.