Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[Dining Dead]

Yeah, it makes me sick to see these stats. It's pretty low that terms like "hero" are being used to basically manipulate workers back into jobs they should be avoiding.

However, one of the most active Twitter users on the planet said that "The Transition to Greatness has already started, ahead of schedule" so, you know, I'm sure everything will be okay very, very soon.

[Moviefan1203]

Originally Posted by Dining Dead

Yeah, it makes me sick to see these stats. It's pretty low that terms like "hero" are being used to basically manipulate workers back into jobs they should be avoiding.

However, one of the most active Twitter users on the planet said that "The Transition to Greatness has already started, ahead of schedule" so, you know, I'm sure everything will be okay very, very soon.

If Donald says it, it must be true.

[dublinbluray108]

The National Transport Authority in The Rep. of Ireland is to provide hand sanitizer dispensers on services provided by it's main public transport operators.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breaki...s-1001651.html

Hand sanitizer dispensers are being distributed to all 144 train stations operated by Irish Rail across the country.

Hand sanitizer products will also be provided for passengers & staff at all Luas stops & across it's entire fleet of trams in Dublin.

Dublin Bus & Go-Ahead Ireland bus services will provide hand sanitizer dispensers for anyone accessing services on their bus fleets.

The NTA have acknowledged that installing hand sanitizer dispensers on Bus Eireann services will be more challenging.

For taxis though; hand sanitizers will be optional although it can be installed with permission from taxi drivers in their fleet of 21,200 taxis.

A patient representative from Ireland's Expert Advisory Group for Covid-19, has said in an interview tonight on RTÉ's Prime Time, that the government should have implemented laws that it's entire population should wear face masks as a compulsory measure in indoor public spaces & public transport services 'as an easy win for the government' sooner from following official health advice of other sensible countries to reduce the spread of Covid-19.

Ireland's government advice on face masks says that it is optional among it's population as it currently follows the official WHO guidelines.

Prof Luke O'Neill of Trinity College Dublin has said evidence from studies on face masks has become a lot stronger that they should be worn in Ireland with fines issued for non-compliance.

Talks between the CMO & the government are to begin at lunchtime tomorrow to discuss on whether the 2m rule on social distancing rules needs to be reduced to 1m within Irish schools, offices & shops in accordance with WHO guidelines.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Cinema84

It's probably due to the rising temps/humidity and lack of A/C on the trains but I had a bit of a rougher time than normal wearing a mask this morning. By the end of my commute all I wanted to do was tear the ****ing thing off. I guess this means I won't fare well this Summer. Misery here I come

Yeah, humidity was high today. 70% in my apartment right now. It's going to be miserable this summer wearing masks out to the store.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Hatter

Add allergy season into the mix. A mask will be completely useless for those who will clawing at their itchy eyes all day.

Allergies can be brutal, form the relentless sneezing to the constant gouging of your eyes to try and make them stop itching. People who don't have allergies will never understand how bad it can be. I've had it extremely bad some years. I've missed work due to severe hay fever attacks some days. This year and last year have been very light for me thankfully.

People with allergies are going to be getting lots of nasty looks this spring, and that's a shame. People can't help sneezing. But, on the other hand, if people who are infected and don't know it are having allergy attacks on top of having the virus and not knowing it, they will unwittingly spread it more through all the sneezing.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by MrHT

Thank you getting my back on this one. I'm literally about to lose my mind on how I am getting attacked for every little thing. Now I'm getting attacked for wearing a mask?? The world has gone mad!

Considering that the compactor room in my building is a public area where all the residents on my floor throws their trash; it's literally the filthiest place you can visit. And the mailroom is a public area in my building. There could be people there also checking their mail at that time and I also take the elevator down to the lobby to get there and I could potentially be riding the elevator with someone there. I, personally, see nothing wrong with wearing a mask for those purposes.

I have absolutely no problem with people being overly cautious. Technically, it could be considered "ridiculous" to use your directional lights at 3:00 am at an empty intersection on an empty road with nobody around for a mile, but it's still a good idea because it keeps you in the habit of doing it every time you take a turn.

It makes sense for you especially since you take the elevator, so like you said, you might encounter somebody else in the elevator at the time.

I don't wear my mask when I check my mail once a day downstairs, but it's probably not a bad idea, since technically I might pass somebody in the hallway or on the stairs. It's not very busy at my apartment but we're all home and share a common laundry room too, so people do pass each other in the hall.

You are obviously taking it serious and playing it safe and there's nothing wrong with that. I'd rather see people play it extra cautious than not give a damn. Just don't let it overwhelm you. Easier said than done I know.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by NARMAK

I get you want people to wear a mask, but honestly, when i think about it, the only reason people in Asia for example used to typically wear it was because they were apparently ill and didn't want to pass anything along

Here we now have situations where people automatically assume; No Mask = Coronavirus or similar. Not everybody obviously but i feel that's the logic behind that wanting people to wear masks. The irony of all this is that some masks are plain useless. They just will not do what people think they're going to do because they don't meet certain standards etc. but its the PERCEPTION that because X person is wearing a mask, it "MUST" be safer.

Personally speaking i don't wear a mask and generally i am not going to wear a mask. I don't expect to be coughing all around people and i don't expect them to do so on me. It's a risk i take, but i don't particularly feel any more unsafe now than i did in say February before everything went under lockdown.

I think it's genuinely the perceived fear of COVID-19 that is more problematic moving forwards for resuming normality. I think clearly the job is done in that respect for some but it's not a good thing because it means we're looking at everything thorough a negative light imo. "Oh, this person could kill me(!)" even when literally there's no signs of illness. I think that's my real problem. We've not been given any real hard concrete data on asymptomatic people and how they can spread Coronavirus and so on. If the risk is minimal, then the truth is like all things, if you end up getting infected, it was just bad luck.

The very reason people should be careful and have some consideration is because there's still a lot we don't know about it. So people should be playing it safe and being considerate. Instead, tons of people aren't. I'm sorry to sound rude but you not wearing a mask is inconsiderate.

[BucketheadPikes]

Here's a good one: It's safe for you to come back to work, but you have to sign this COVID-19 Liability Waiver first.

[Pondosinatra]

Originally Posted by BucketheadPikes

Here's a good one: It's safe for you to come back to work, but you have to sign this COVID-19 Liability Waiver first.

I would call my lawyer...

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by ctujackbauer

CNN - Want to eat or shop at Disney? Say you won't sue

So you have to sign a liability waiver for coronavirus before entering a Disney park.

I don't really GAF about Disneyland, but can't we have these things for Souplantation or any buffet? People know the risks about going to a buffet beforehand. Just an ipad with a scribble, scribble, sign on the dotted line and all should be fine.

I want to go back to Souplantation. This is bull****.

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

I wouldn't be surprised if those types of waivers are the norm. They're even throwing it around in my industry as well - if you take a job, you have to sign a waiver saying that you'll never sue them if you get sick.

Originally Posted by NARMAK

I didn't think it would be necessary but you can get sued for anything in America so i guess a signed waiver is the best way for them as a company to protect themselves. I understand their logic for not wanting to get sued over something they cannot control because people inevitably won't social distance etc.

Originally Posted by BucketheadPikes

Here's a good one: It's safe for you to come back to work, but you have to sign this COVID-19 Liability Waiver first.

Originally Posted by Pondosinatra

I would call my lawyer...

We've already been discussing this. I'm sure it's a very real possibility.

[Pondosinatra]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

We've already been discussing this. I'm sure it's a very real possibility.

I don't need my job that much...

[MrHT]

Originally Posted by mar3o

I have absolutely no problem with people being overly cautious. Technically, it could be considered "ridiculous" to use your directional lights at 3:00 am at an empty intersection on an empty road with nobody around for a mile, but it's still a good idea because it keeps you in the habit of doing it every time you take a turn.

It makes sense for you especially since you take the elevator, so like you said, you might encounter somebody else in the elevator at the time.

I don't wear my mask when I check my mail once a day downstairs, but it's probably not a bad idea, since technically I might pass somebody in the hallway or on the stairs. It's not very busy at my apartment but we're all home and share a common laundry room too, so people do pass each other in the hall.

You are obviously taking it serious and playing it safe and there's nothing wrong with that. I'd rather see people play it extra cautious than not give a damn. Just don't let it overwhelm you. Easier said than done I know.

There were two deaths this past month in my building. The management won't say what the causes of the deaths were, but who knows? Could be Covid-19 and the management doesn't want to disclose it.

[MrHT]

Originally Posted by NARMAK

I mean a "normal" sneeze like if it was dust or something similar or even if it was a small cough. Everybody is just so on edge about it when before lockdown nobody would have batted an eyelid because its just something the body can have as a natural reaction to things, not necessarily COVID-19 being the cause yet we now have people who immediately assume you're infecting them etc. just like your post is a great example of that knee jerk assumption. Take COVID-19 out of the mix, and just imagine somebody had a common cold for example, if they coughed and sneezed, you'd expect them to cover their mouth or stifle it as much as possible as it was considered the polite thing to do and wash their hands. However now people are so heightened on what should be thought of as the worst case scenario because of COVID-19 even when it could be a harmless bodily reaction with no transmission of COVID-19 and every attempt made by the person to stop any particles going over. Yet they're looked at now with contempt?

But here's the scary thing... if someone is asymptomatic and they sneeze on you due to dust in the air, you can catch the virus from them.

[Hayabusa85]

Blu-ray disc lasers could help kill the coronavirus, according to UC Irvine researchers

https://www.latimes.com/socal/daily-...ne-researchers

That will show those still buying DVD coasters!

[Underworld54]

I'll sign a waiver to go back to work, go to the movies, go to a concert or sporting event, and even to go to a restaurant.

[Batman1980]

Test me, I'll sign a waiver and then I'm in too.

[NARMAK]

Originally Posted by Dining Dead

I see what you're saying, but I mean, if someone chooses not to wear a mask, I don't really feel sorry at all if they good looked at with contempt. They should kind of expect it. They're making a very clear statement that they do not care if they spread the virus or that they believe they know better than medical professionals. The last estimate I read from the CDC is that 35% of those with COVID are asymptomatic. So, yeah, something as small as a sneeze, regardless of the cause, should be of concern to people who have no interest in getting sick.

I think that's projecting a little because i've mentioned how some face masks aren't even fit for purpose and arguably, a person who sneezes without one could be holding their hand over their mouth or stifle it and then use hand sanitizer for example but get looked at funny. Yet a person wearing the ineffective mask but going "Full Sneeze" and not even trying to stifle it would not be looked at with as much contempt. That's silly imo.

Anybody, mask or not imo should be taking care to stifle any sneeze or cough regardless of face mask or no and wash their hands ASAP as a consideration but again, there's not concrete data on how many people asymptomatic individuals could infect as let's be honest they still don't really know.

If you're asymptomatic the usual things you do to transmit such as cough or sneeze don't happen and i think if most have started following guidance to not touch eyes, mouth or nose then that brings it down further as a risk.

Originally Posted by Moviefan1203

Lot of facts being swept under the rug.

The amount of crap under the rugs and the skulduggery in some instances will be coming out soon enough and some of it will be explosive but it won't matter. Mainly because they can bury such things with little to no blowback. "Welcome to Propaganda 101 for a Country".

Originally Posted by mar3o

The very reason people should be careful and have some consideration is because there's still a lot we don't know about it. So people should be playing it safe and being considerate. Instead, tons of people aren't. I'm sorry to sound rude but you not wearing a mask is inconsiderate.

I don't think you're being rude and simply stating your feelings on the matter and i can respect that but i'd like to genuinely think most people are considerate and doing the right things, facemask or not. It's just as always, the idiots are making the news because that's what causes controversy and interest etc. so they focus on that.

I do however think maybe there's a better way to have handled certain things but as i've said many times, us average joes don't have any say in the matter, we'll just have to look back with hindsight to see what could have been done better when they get all details and analyse this event.

Originally Posted by MrHT

But here's the scary thing... if someone is asymptomatic and they sneeze on you due to dust in the air, you can catch the virus from them.

I guess that's possible for sure, and just unfortunate too but the majority of people i feel do make a recovery as we have seen. Particularly younger people and they're more asymptomatic too. I think as i've said above, time will tell how we truly should have balanced everything to deal with this event and where we went wrong but also where we did things right.

[BucketheadPikes]

Originally Posted by Underworld54

I'll sign a waiver to go back to work, go to the movies, go to a concert or sporting event, and even to go to a restaurant.

Originally Posted by Batman1980

Test me, I'll sign a waiver and then I'm in too.

Why am I not surprised? lol

[Show spoiler]

[Show spoiler]WAIVER OF LIABILITY RELATING TO CORONAVIRUS/COVID-19

The novel coronavirus, COVID-19, has been declared a worldwide pandemic by the World Health Organization. COVID-19 is reported to be extremely contagious. The state of medical knowledge is evolving, but the virus is believed to spread from person-to-person contact and/or by contact with contaminated surfaces and objects, and even possibly in the air. People reportedly can be infected and show no symptoms and therefore spread the disease. The exact methods of spread and contraction are unknown, and there is no known treatment, cure, or vaccine for COVID-19. Evidence has shown that COVID-19 can cause serious and potentially life threatening illness and even death.

[Name of Company] cannot prevent you [or your child(ren)] from becoming exposed to, contracting, or spreading COVID-19 while utilizing [name of company]’s services or premises. It is not possible to prevent against the presence of the disease. Therefore, if you choose to utilize [name of company]’s services and/or enter onto [name of company]’s premises you may be exposing yourself to and/or increasing your risk of contracting or spreading COVID-19.

ASSUMPTION OF RISK: I have read and understood the above warning concerning COVID-19. I hereby choose to accept the risk of contracting COVID-19 for myself and/or my children in order to utilize [name of company]’s services and enter [name of company]’s premises. These services are of such value to me [and/or to my children,] that I accept the risk of being exposed to, contracting, and/or spreading COVID-19 in order to utilize [name of company]’s services and premises in person [if applicable: “rather than arranging for an alternative method of enjoying the same services virtually (e.g. videoconference)].

WAIVER OF LAWSUIT/LIABILITY: I hereby forever release and waive my right to bring suit against [name of company] and its owners, officers, directors, managers, officials, trustees, agents, employees, or other representatives in connection with exposure, infection, and/or spread of COVID-19 related to utilizing [name of company]’s services and premises. I understand that this waiver means I give up my right to bring any claims including for personal injuries, death, disease or property losses, or any other loss, including but not limited to claims of negligence and give up any claim I may have to seek damages, whether known or unknown, foreseen or unforeseen.

CHOICE OF LAW: I understand and agree that the law of the State of ______________ will apply to this contract.

I HAVE CAREFULLY READ AND FULLY UNDERSTAND ALL PROVISIONS OF THIS RELEASE, AND FREELY AND KNOWINGLY ASSUME THE RISK AND WAIVE MY RIGHTS CONCERNING LIABILITY AS DESCRIBED ABOVE:

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Name (printed): _____________________________________

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[Moviefan1203]

Looks like the second wave is going to hit much sooner than winter with the way people are willing to disregard virus protocols.

[Batman1980]

Tsk pay me too, I'm okay with that. Aren't they paying some people to expose themselves to it?