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Old 07-08-2020, 03:59 AM   #11121
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I can't eat most seafood because of the nauseating smell.
Rice is fine, everything the land, the gardens give us; potatoes, cucumbers, pickles, carrots, tomatoes, lettuce, peas, green peppers, radish, cranberries, strawberries, raspberries, blueberries, cantaloupe, ...
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From the trees; oranges, citrus, apples, avocados, apricots, pears, plums, ...

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Old 07-08-2020, 05:14 AM   #11122
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Congrats, America! We broke another record.
 
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Old 07-08-2020, 05:58 AM   #11123
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3 million cases in the U.S.!! Fantastic. But no need to worry. We're going to get through this and it will get better. If you won't listen to me, listen to....

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No, I'm not concerned nor do I think it will be a huge disaster. More are being identified because we're now testing more people that have already been infected; remember the results to some of the tests are delayed by up to a week. Over the next couple of weeks those numbers should start to taper off given more people are aware and the effect of social distancing.
 
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I’m really beginning to think that if we had a WWIII in which we couldn’t rely on a volunteer Army, Navy and Air Force to do our fighting like we do today and needed to reinstate a draft to bring in many more numbers to fight a much larger threat that this generation would lose the war to a foreign power(s) exemplified by its current lack discipline and societal responsibility given the reaction to little things like wearing a mask and maintaining social distancing during this war with coronavirus.

Looking forward to Greyhound (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6048922/ )
 
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Old 07-08-2020, 06:10 AM   #11125
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I’m really beginning to think that if we had a WWIII in which we couldn’t rely on a volunteer Army, Navy and Air Force to do our fighting like we do today and needed to reinstate a draft to bring in many more numbers to fight a much larger threat that this generation would lose the war to a foreign power(s) exemplified by its current lack discipline and societal responsibility given the reaction to little things like wearing a mask and maintaining social distancing during this war with coronavirus.

Looking forward to Greyhound (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6048922/ )
Younger generations are signing up for the coronavirus vaccine live tests by the thousands, willingly inhaling live virus in sacrifice for (mostly) older people.

You might want to worry more about older generations not wearing masks. There's significant evidence showing that many older people just aren't getting the message.
 
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ArsTechnica - COVID-19 safety: Around the world, many of the elderly can’t be bothered - The population most at risk isn't listening to public health experts.

Now this is a global breakdown of demographics in the older population not wearing masks.

But just take the USA as an example because of the greatest generation comparison. There's no reason why that people age 50 and older in the USA shouldn't be at a much, much higher mask wearing rate; but it is definitely not.
 
Old 07-08-2020, 06:55 AM   #11127
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Ok boomers, all you have to do is wear a mask to protect each other. Oh and socially distance.

Muh rights!
Yeah, us boomers pretty much are giving it to the youngins –


sorry about that.
 
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Younger generations are signing up for the coronavirus vaccine live tests by the thousands, willingly inhaling live virus in sacrifice for (mostly) older people.

You might want to worry more about older generations not wearing masks. There's significant evidence showing that many older people just aren't getting the message.
I know older folks from older generations who are aware of their destiny. Their eyes shine with love and devotion like children looking @ the unknown and hugging each other from a distance.

No matter how old we are it affects us all, and it's very tough...we are only @ the beginning of a major life re-adaptation @ all levels...biologic, economic, social, cultural, geographical, intercontinental.

Be kind, be calm and be safe.
 
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Yeah, us boomers pretty much are giving it to the youngins –

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sorry about that.
Signing up for the vaccine trials penton? Might be coming to a city near you (us, we're in the same area) for the over 55 set.

They need older populations in the vaccine trials to get dosing and safety correct. Can't just have all millenials and gen z getting the vaccine trial.

NIH Clinical Trial of a Vaccine for COVID-19 Now Enrolling Older Adults

Spoiler alert, the vaccine trial I linked to was from biotech firm Moderna, which had to shut down trials temporarily because of "serious negative outcomes".
 
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Old 07-08-2020, 01:01 PM   #11130
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3 million cases in the U.S.!! Fantastic. But no need to worry. We're going to get through this and it will get better. If you won't listen to me, listen to....
And we are already 50K past that record.
 
Old 07-08-2020, 01:06 PM   #11131
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I never said no lockdown. The problem is NY and NJ did a lockdown, but other states didn't or they did, but reopened too abruptly. Now their infection rate is up and they will bring the virus over to states like NY & NJ and bring them back up again.

If we're going to do a lockdown, it should be a national lockdown, not a statewide lockdown.
Yep, that's why other countries will succeed and the US is screwed. We can't unite under one single plan. IF every state had stuck to the WH guidelines of not reopening until a 14 day drop in cases, we would be winning the war on this thing. Instead, it's out of control and the future looks pretty damn scary.

Ridiculous that it will cost us so much because businesses couldn't stay shut down for a few more weeks.
 
Old 07-08-2020, 01:30 PM   #11132
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Interesting WSJ opinion article yesterday that raises the possibility that antibody tests may be undercounting the number of infected. It makes sense since the CDC estimates infections are 10 times greater than the reported number of cases.

The author is speculating, but concludes as I do that these hot spots that were blasted earlier are now being protected by some level of herd immunity


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“SARS-CoV-2-specific memory T cells will likely prove critical for long-term immune protection against COVID-19,” the study concludes. “The observation that most individuals with asymptomatic or mild COVID-19 generated highly functional durable memory T cell responses,” not uncommonly in the absence of antibodies, “further suggested that natural exposure or infection could prevent recurrent episodes of severe COVID-19.”

In short, antibody tests may significantly underestimate the number of people who have already been infected with Covid-19, especially if they had a milder strain. If so, it’s possible that some early hot spots, like New York City and northern Italy, already have a degree of herd immunity. The same may be true of other places soon.
Rest of the article in spoilers (since it's behind a paywall)


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Herd Immunity May Be Closer Than You Think

Antibody tests could significantly underestimate the number of novel coronavirus infections.

Some early assumptions about Covid-19 no longer add up—and that could be good news for the future progress of the virus. There are reasons to think the novel coronavirus began spreading earlier than previously understood, raising the possibility that herd immunity is closer than we think.

Chinese authorities say they first identified a case in Wuhan in November, but Beijing didn’t lock down Hubei province until Jan. 23. For two months direct flights ran from Wuhan to 30 cities outside China, including London, New York, Paris, Rome and San Francisco.

Scientists have found traces of the virus in wastewater samples collected in Italy as early as mid-December and in Brazil beginning in late November. Doctors also recently concluded that a 42-year-old Algerian-born fishmonger in Paris’s suburbs had Covid-19 on Dec. 27, when he tested negative for the flu. It isn’t clear how he contracted the virus—he hadn’t recently traveled—but his children also got sick. His wife, who worked at a supermarket near Charles de Gaulle Airport, never did but might have been a carrier.

The Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai recently performed Covid-19 antibody tests on blood samples taken from New York City patients in February and March. They found 1.4% to 3.2% of emergency-room patients and 0.9% to 1.6% of other patients between the weeks ending Feb. 23 and March 15 tested positive for antibodies. Since antibodies can take a few weeks to develop, that suggests some New Yorkers were already infected by early February or even late January. Yet it’s curious that antibody prevalence showed little change from week to week until late March, after confirmed infections in the region surged.

So why didn’t a Covid-19 outbreak occur outside Wuhan for months without social distancing and lockdowns? New studies suggest mutations might have made it more virulent. A Los Alamos National Laboratory study found that a single-letter mutation in the 614 gene, which appears to have emerged in Europe before March, altered the shape of the spike on the virus, enabling it to attach to cells more easily.

Genetic sequencing of virus samples shows that the G614 strain, which swept through Europe and New York in March, seeded most U.S. infections. The D614 strain, which doesn’t have this mutation, showed up on the West Coast earlier in the winter. The G614 variant overtook the D614 strain in most places even though it arrived later—suggesting it may be more infectious.

In another study, Chinese scientists mixed 11 viral strains collected from Chinese patients between Jan. 22 and Feb. 4 in vitro with human cells. At 24 hours, the “viral load” of a strain that rampaged across Europe in March was 19 times as high as strains with the genetic variants found in the first U.S. cases, on the West Coast, in January and February. Higher viral load in vitro was significantly correlated with faster replication and more cellular damage.

The Chinese study suggests that some Europeans and Americans might have been infected with a milder strain that didn’t cause severe symptoms. That may help explain why flare-ups didn’t occur outside Wuhan earlier in the winter. And the two studies taken together raise the intriguing possibility that more people were exposed and infected than epidemiologists commonly assume. This seems especially probable since scientists are now discovering that many asymptomatic or mild cases don’t develop Covid-19-specific antibodies.

One reason is that some people have underlying T-cell immunity from past coronaviruses that can help them vanquish the novel virus without developing antibodies. Several studies have found that even people who were never infected with Covid-19 nonetheless have “memory” T-cells—the immune system’s fighters—from past coronavirus infections, which attack the new virus. A La Jolla Institute for Immunology team has detected residual T-cells in about half of blood samples collected between 2015 and 2018.

Recent studies have also found that many people with mild or no symptoms who test positive for Covid-19 later don’t show antibodies when tested. Patients with mild symptoms produce a weaker antibody response than those who get more severely ill. Most antibody tests are primed to minimize false positives, but as a result are less sensitive.

These people, however, have been found to have long-lasting, potent T-cells that can ward off future infection. A small study last month from France found that six of eight close family contacts of sick patients didn’t develop antibodies but did develop Covid-19-specific T-cells. A new study from Sweden finds that moderately ill patients developed both Covid-19-specific antibodies and T-cells. But twice as many healthy individuals who donated blood during the pandemic and asymptomatic family members of sick patients generated Covid-19 specific T-cells than did antibodies.

“SARS-CoV-2-specific memory T cells will likely prove critical for long-term immune protection against COVID-19,” the study concludes. “The observation that most individuals with asymptomatic or mild COVID-19 generated highly functional durable memory T cell responses,” not uncommonly in the absence of antibodies, “further suggested that natural exposure or infection could prevent recurrent episodes of severe COVID-19.”
In short, antibody tests may significantly underestimate the number of people who have already been infected with Covid-19, especially if they had a milder strain. If so, it’s possible that some early hot spots, like New York City and northern Italy, already have a degree of herd immunity. The same may be true of other places soon.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/herd-im...nk-11594076237

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Old 07-08-2020, 01:43 PM   #11133
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Instead of getting daily news reports of how many infected people have been undercounted, how about updating us on the progress of the cure? I'm also tired of looking at videos of young idiots packed in like sardines at clubs and beaches. They want to infect each other, fine - I know not to be anywhere near morons without masks.
 
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Instead of getting daily news reports of how many infected people have been undercounted, how about updating us on the progress of the cure?.
Penton-Man and Lordoftherings are already doing a good job of that I think.
 
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Penton-Man and Lordoftherings are already doing a good job of that I think.
I was referring to broadcast news organizations. But, yes, these guys here do a better of keeping us informed
 
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Instead of getting daily news reports of how many infected people have been undercounted, how about updating us on the progress of the cure? I'm also tired of looking at videos of young idiots packed in like sardines at clubs and beaches. They want to infect each other, fine - I know not to be anywhere near morons without masks.
We do have an update. Fauci said he's "cautiously optimistic" that a vaccine will be available by early 2021. So there you have it!
 
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We do have an update. Fauci said he's "cautiously optimistic" that a vaccine will be available by early 2021. So there you have it!
I wonder what he's going to say in January when he goes back to being a civvie

I've read reports sporadically throughout the crisis that a vaccine either won't be found or is impossible. We'll see.
 
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He's trying to give people hope during a crisis
 
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Mexico, 900 new departed. Next week they'll surpass Italy, to become 4th after UK.

Yes, I'm Canadian born, Quebec, living in BC for 45 years and beat up real good because I worked hardcore physical hard with forests (trees) for a fair bunch of years. I'm a hippie you can say that. It reflects in my doings, writings, nature wildlife loving, music and films loving.

I'm for a clean healthy planet, healthy mind people, clean air, clean water, electric cars, solar panels, renewable energies, nuclear fusion energy. I'm also anti-virus, anti-Corona, anti-COVID-19.

I don't eat cats, dogs, bats, pangolins. There should be enough food in the oceans for everyone.

No drugs, no weed smoking (I preferred hashish), no alcohol excess...all long long time gone.
I'm kidding by the way...
 
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Yesterday, deaths in the US were the highest they've been since June 10th.
 
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