Sony & Panasonic team up for new 300GB discs by 2015

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Originally Posted by 42041

Wrong subforum for this, probably.
The Sony press release says the format is for the professional market, so I wouldn't get too excited.

The first 25GB Blu ray disc'c were for the professional market too as well

[vargo]

Originally Posted by SlmShdy1

However, it'll be a benefit for consumers when the market is ready for a new media type. If this same technology is used for consumers a few years down the road, when 4K is ready for mass adoption, productions costs will be much lower, which means a lower price point for us... hopefully.

It remains to be seen if it will have any bearing on a future consumer format.

It depends on whether they are pursuing more layers with current pit-size, or a new smaller pit size (and laser wavelength).

If it's just a multi-layer approach it would be impractical for a consumer format, it would be far too expensive to produce the discs.

Hopefully more details will be forthcoming.

[joie]

We are on the road to lossless video. Less lossy, anyway

[joie]

We are on the road to lossless video. Less lossy, anyway

[partridge]

And they said blu-ray would be the last physical disc system! That said, this is a niche product, primarily aimed at business for archiving and if any kit does make it to the consumer market it will be expensive and limited in availability I'd have thought.

4K tv's are new and very, very expensive and you probably need a very large set to appreciate the extra detail anyway, will 4K sets even be available in sizes under 60"? That will rule out the vast majority of homes.

Let's face it, people are happy with upscaled DVD's let alone blu-ray. I just can't see a 4K system ever making it to mass market. It will sit with the high end, expensive home theatre kit that only the fortunate (and rich) few will ever get their hands on.

[Mavrick]

Are people just skipping the fact it states these discs will be for the "Professional market" as a storage solution, not for public consumption as a media format.

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Originally Posted by Mavrick

Are people just skipping the fact it states these discs will be for the "Professional market" as a storage solution, not for public consumption as a media format.

The first 25GB Blu ray disc's were for the professional market as well

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by partridge

4K tv's are new and very, very expensive and you probably need a very large set to appreciate the extra detail anyway, will 4K sets even be available in sizes under 60"? That will rule out the vast majority of homes.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/25/tcl-4k-50-inch-999/

[Penton-Man]

If the BDA is serious about 4K physical media, they will not wait for 300 GB discs (the end of 2015)…nor need they. In fact I think it's safe to say that most consumers interested in 4K are waiting for at least a meaningful update by the BDA in regards to the offering of 4K physical media no later than CES 2014.

Consider this more as an alternative storage solution for the upcoming data tsunami generated by movies and TV shows, for example a TV show generates 30 hrs @ 200 Mbps. A season is 60 TB. Movies can be as much as 1-2 Petabyte; even more so for 4K, HFR and 3D.

If 300 GB discs someday extend to 4K consumer application, so much the better, but at this time there are other technical priorities on the front burner to be considered. You can check one off the list though, (although I think not publically announced yet), HDMI 2.0 has been recently approved.

[vargo]

2014/2015 is too soon for another consumer disc-based format.

Bluray has not replaced DVD, so currently we have two formats on the shelves.

You can't introduce another format, three formats on the shelves would really piss consumers off (and stores).

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by vargo

2014/2015 is too soon for another consumer disc-based format.

Bluray has not replaced DVD, so currently we have two formats on the shelves.

You can't introduce another format, three formats on the shelves would really piss consumers off (and stores).

We already have another conusmer disc-based format and three formats on the shelves, in fact some releases seem to have more than three options available to consumers. But still, 3D combo, 2D combo, DVD, super deluxe, etc., etc.

People with only DVD may choose DVD. People without 3D may save a couple bucks just buying the 2D Blu-ray, people with 3D buy 3D titles they like. There is a pretty tiered pricing structure going on here. Often the 3D titles are anywhere from $3~$15 more than the 2D titles, which are usually $5 or so more than the DVDs.

I rarely see shelves anyway as most of my shopping is done online. However even on the odd occasion that I find myself in a Target or Wal*Mart, I see three formats being clearly sold.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by vargo

2014/2015 is too soon for another consumer disc-based format...

In your opinion……nevertheless, then expect further prosperity of the hockey puck…. http://www.engadget.com/2013/04/07/s...ution-service/

Sony wins either way.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

HDMI 2.0 has been recently approved.

Note to Saprano, it does NOT support 10 bit 4:4:4 (your fave) 4K @ 60 Hz.
So sorry.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

We

like DMB

Note to Doby - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ke#post7872179

[singhcr]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

You can check one off the list though, (although I think not publically announced yet), HDMI 2.0 has been recently approved.

Yay! We get the inside scoop!

Thanks to you I held off on buying an obsolete HDMI 1.4 receiver. I wrote Marantz asking if they planned any 1.4->2.0 upgrade kits and they eventually said they were not. I've been saving my pennies and can look forward to a true 4K compatible receiver.

[radagast]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

If the BDA is serious about 4K physical media, they will not wait for 300 GB discs (the end of 2015)…nor need they. In fact I think it's safe to say that most consumers interested in 4K are waiting for at least a meaningful update by the BDA in regards to the offering of 4K physical media no later than CES 2014.

Consider this more as an alternative storage solution for the upcoming data tsunami generated by movies and TV shows, for example a TV show generates 30 hrs @ 200 Mbps. A season is 60 TB. Movies can be as much as 1-2 Petabyte; even more so for 4K, HFR and 3D.

If 300 GB discs someday extend to 4K consumer application, so much the better, but at this time there are other technical priorities on the front burner to be considered. You can check one off the list though, (although I think not publically announced yet), HDMI 2.0 has been recently approved.

Would you agree that IF this new format is eventually used for 4K content, that it should have 30fps or 60fps instead of Blu-ray's 24fps?

[djgeneral]

http://variety.com/2013/digital/news...it-1200569762/

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Originally Posted by dobyblue

We already have another conusmer disc-based format and three formats on the shelves, in fact some releases seem to have more than three options available to consumers. But still, 3D combo, 2D combo, DVD, super deluxe, etc., etc.

No. Im talking about formats. Betamax, VHS, Laserdisc, DVD, HD-DVD, Bluray. Formats.

As far as Joe Consumer is concerned, there are two current formats - DVD and Bluray.

The plan was that Bluray would replace DVD, and of course that would make it a lot easier to eventually introduce a follow-up format, but it hasn't happened. Bluray and DVD are going to co-exist for the forseeeable future.

Another format on the shelves in the near future would not go down well with consumers or stores.

[Tns49]

Originally Posted by partridge

And they said blu-ray would be the last physical disc system! That said, this is a niche product, primarily aimed at business for archiving and if any kit does make it to the consumer market it will be expensive and limited in availability I'd have thought.

4K tv's are new and very, very expensive and you probably need a very large set to appreciate the extra detail anyway, will 4K sets even be available in sizes under 60"? That will rule out the vast majority of homes.

Let's face it, people are happy with upscaled DVD's let alone blu-ray. I just can't see a 4K system ever making it to mass market. It will sit with the high end, expensive home theatre kit that only the fortunate (and rich) few will ever get their hands on.

4k models are currently available are under 60". But true bigger 4k sets are what will eventually sell the product.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by vargo

No. Im talking about formats. Betamax, VHS, Laserdisc, DVD, HD-DVD, Bluray. Formats.

As far as Joe Consumer is concerned, there are two current formats - DVD and Bluray.

The plan was that Bluray would replace DVD, and of course that would make it a lot easier to eventually introduce a follow-up format, but it hasn't happened. Bluray and DVD are going to co-exist for the forseeeable future.

Another format on the shelves in the near future would not go down well with consumers or stores.

There are many 3D Blu-ray discs that will not play on 2D players, so there are three video formats currently being sold in stores no matter what semantics you choose to determine otherwise. Also Blu-ray has the hyphen, not HD DVD.

There is no evidence to back up your assertion that consumers would not be happy with another format on the shelves, providing they are not forced to buy said format there's no reason they should be. As for stores, they've lost a lot of space in their music sections from digital downloads, they have more than enough room to accomodate another format which would be in its extreme infancy when it arrives for several months to a couple years, just like DVD was when it first came out and just like Blu-ray was when it first came out.

I've always been under the impression that Blu-ray was supposed to co-exist with DVD for many years to come, just as VHS saw its last release in 2006, 9 years after DVD came out.

The problem with lumping those old formats together is there is no player that plays both LD and Betamax. As long as the current disc size remains the same physically, players can support SACD, DVD-Audio, DVD-Video, Compact Disc, Blu-ray, 3D Blu-ray and whatever format comes down the line to co-exist with Blu-ray for 4K, via backwards compatability.

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

like DMB

Note to Doby - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...79#post7872179

Yeah it's a pretty amazing story; dinner, got to make a song request, signed PIT tickets, driving the man to his own show, envy of millions! Several of my friends and I have discussed how much more we would have taken advantage of him offering the option to add a song to the setlist, um yes, that one you haven't played full band since 10.31.92, Blue Water? I'll take that please.

I know he loves riding, we saw him out around Saratoga Springs before shows at SPAC once, but in a caravan of 12 cars trying to get a tailgating spot together it was impossible to stop. I'm sure he would just roll his eyes at me as I complain about the lack of Blu-ray, loudness wars, no attention to vinyl quality, etc., but maybe a little constructive criticism is sometimes more welcomed than the constant ball washing or adoration I'm sure these guys get all the time?