HDR Discussion Thread

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by DanBa

The Sony Z9D will also support all HDR formats being operational in 2017 (i.e. HDR10, Dolby Vision, HEVC HLG HDR, VP9-HLG / VP9-PQ YouTube HDR).
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...1&postcount=26

...And 3D.

"Additionally, the Active 3D system of the TV is good but does deliver a certain amount of notable crosstalk, especially when looking at objects with a high negative or positive parallax (viewing angles basically)."

• http://4k.com/tv/sony-xbr-z9d-series...5z9d-xbr75z9d/

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

On a side note, John Lasseter is one of the best bosses there is . After Big Hero 6 was completed, he gave many members of the team a long sabbatical off from the job. I don't believe that fact was reported in the news media or any internet forum.

And for those who may have missed the HDR Digital Cinema presentation last November (but at least arriving very soon on SDR Blu-ray) a classy touch for Moana
was in the credits at the end of the movie, the caring inclusion/mention of those children born to crew members during the production.

[puddy77]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

And for those who may have missed the HDR Digital Cinema presentation last November (but at least arriving very soon on SDR Blu-ray) a classy touch for Moana
was in the credits at the end of the movie, the caring inclusion/mention of those children born to crew members during the production.

No love for Laika? I can't say for certain, but they may have started that with Boxtrolls, continuing it on Kubo. (I still regret not getting the chance to see Kubo in Dolby, especially since they did not release a UBD.)

[Geoff D]

Uh, didn't Pixar (with that Lasseter guy) start the 'production babies' thing like 20 years ago?

[puddy77]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Uh, didn't Pixar (with that Lasseter guy) start the 'production babies' thing like 20 years ago?

You're right. I just looked at the oldest Pixar movie I have, Monster's Inc, and they have production babies.

There's even a wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Production_babies

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

For those....who couldn’t get to the HPA Tech Retreat....

From folks in France, I’m sent -



While the 2017 HPA Tech Retreat was going on in Indian Wells, Calif., apparently the French were capturing a live opera in 4K for rendering in HDR for a new project.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by puddy77

No love for Laika?....

With my post from last night I was quickly concentrating my effort on bringing awareness to the Blu-ray(s) becoming available for purchase today….
https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Moana-Blu-ray/145431/
https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Moana-3D-Blu-ray/169739/

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Uh, didn't Pixar (with that Lasseter guy) start the 'production babies' thing like 20 years ago?

I feel honored in knowing, personally, some of the recent proud parents and celebrating their new family additions.

[Richard Paul]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Dan, I presume Suzie didn’t get back to you with a reply, ergo, a little employee insight with regards to 2017 Samsung HDR TVs and ST 2094-40….
http://www.displaydaily.com/article/...d-tone-mapping

Nice article and the latest news on HDR10+ (or maybe HDR10PLUS) is from John Archer who writes tech articles for Forbes. He posted about HDR10+ on Twitter and it sounds like Samsung will formally announce it in April.

[HeatEquation]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

Nice article and the latest news on HDR10+ (or maybe HDR10PLUS) is from John Archer who writes tech articles for Forbes. He posted about HDR10+ on Twitter and it sounds like Samsung will formally announce it in April.

Samsung lied to its customers last year then. They said their 2016 TVs could be updated with dynamic HDR10.

[DanBa]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

Nice article and the latest news on HDR10+ (or maybe HDR10PLUS) is from John Archer who writes tech articles for Forbes. He posted about HDR10+ on Twitter and it sounds like Samsung will formally announce it in April.

So according to John Archer, HDR10+ is not standardized by a standards body.

"Samsung's proprietary (though open source, royalty-free) dynamic HDR system."
https://twitter.com/BigJohnnyArcher/...88110114562048


"... announce it in April":

"Transkoder 2017 is the latest release of Colorfront's standalone mastering system for UHDTV, HDR, and digital cinema and production. The version 2017 is now in preview, and is currently on track to a NAB 2017 launch and a spring release.
Colorfront Transkoder is the ultimate tool for HDR mastering, authoring & quality control. In the new version, Colorfront expands the toolset for dynamic metadata creation, previewing and playback. The new arsenal of tools includes Colorfront Engine remastering between various HDR formats and SDR. With the latest version of the industry leading, top performance Dolby Vision toolset, or with HDR to HDR with Samsung new HDR10PLUS dynamic metadata."
http://colorfront.com/email_hpa2017.html

[CBCstillmatic]

Originally Posted by HeatEquation

Samsung lied to its customers last year then. They said their 2016 TVs could be updated with dynamic HDR10.

Yeah this would be a pretty big piss off to 2016 buyers after that statement though I'm content with plain old HDR10 for now until this all gets sorted out anyway. Most everyone else is jumping on DV now anyway and aren't there still 3 or 4 other propositions for dynamic HDR10 also? So it'll be interesting to see if any studios or other manufacturers sign on for support or it'll be useless anyway.

Hell I just replaced my 3rd K8500 with the Sony x800 so I'm not looking forward to having to buy another Samsung 4k player to get the HDR10+. I'll wait it out from here to see if the Sony gets DV and/or support for whatever dynamic HDR10 is decided upon.

[HeatEquation]

Originally Posted by CBCstillmatic

Yeah this would be a pretty big piss off to 2016 buyers after that statement though I'm content with plain old HDR10 for now until this all gets sorted out anyway. Most everyone else is jumping on DV now anyway and aren't there still 3 or 4 other propositions for dynamic HDR10 also? So it'll be interesting to see if any studios or other manufacturers sign on for support or it'll be useless anyway.

Hell I just replaced my 3rd K8500 with the Sony x800 so I'm not looking forward to having to buy another Samsung 4k player to get the HDR10+. I'll wait it out from here to see if the Sony gets DV and/or support for whatever dynamic HDR10 is decided upon.

lol now Samsung reps are denying they ever said that dynamic HDR10 was possible on the 2016 models, even though this was covered by several people at last year's NAB show. They're also now saying that HDR10 cannot be upgraded via firmware updated. I spoke to several of them through email and live chat.

Guess that confirms no "HDR10+" on the 2016 TVs, even though last year they said they could do it.

Nice one, Samsung!

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by HeatEquation

lol now Samsung reps are denying they ever said that dynamic HDR10 was possible on the 2016 models, even though this was covered by several people at last year's NAB show. They're also now saying that HDR10 cannot be upgraded via firmware updated. I spoke to several of them.

Guess that confirms no "HDR10+" on the 2016 TVs, even though last year they said they could do it.

Nice one, Samsung!

Samsung also said they would update their UHD player to Netflix's HDR app. Still waiting. I bought a very promising NX1 4k hybrid camera (even had a 6k sensor in it) and they dumped their camera line with no support. The QC across their company has taken a nose dive and they were implicated in Korean corruption scandals as well.


I'm done with the f--kers.

[HeatEquation]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

Samsung also said they would update their UHD player to Netflix's HDR app. Still waiting. Their QC has taken a nose dive as well.


I'm done with the f--kers.

Netflix HDR is actually available now on the K8500, surprisingly. You can update the firmware manually, and it enables HDR on Netflix.

Still, the way they've handled this dynamic HDR10 thing has been absurd. They probably won't even update last year's models with HLG either.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by HeatEquation

Netflix HDR is actually available now on the K8500, surprisingly. You can update the firmware manually, and it enables HDR on Netflix.

Still, the way they've handled this dynamic HDR10 thing has been absurd. They probably won't even update last year's models with HLG either.

One positive amidst the other things I added in the edited post above.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Dan, I presume Suzie didn’t get back to you with a reply, ergo, a little employee insight with regards to 2017 Samsung HDR TVs and ST 2094-40….
https://www.displaydaily.com/article...d-tone-mapping

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

Nice article and the latest news on HDR10+ (or maybe HDR10PLUS) is from John Archer who writes tech articles for Forbes. He posted about HDR10+ on Twitter and it sounds like Samsung will formally announce it in April.

HDR10+, like with HDR+HFR is

Eddie And The Cruisers Just A Matter Of Time From The Movie - YouTube

For those AV journalists not privy to professional events, looking beyond looking out imminently for HDR10+…..more UHD phase 2 (HDR and HFR (100fps) together content has already been produced and demoed at industry seminars like this… https://tech.ebu.ch/pts2017

From said event….




Close up, several frames later -


These are exciting times.

[Penton-Man]

To be clear, similar to the thumbnail of the HDR sequence with HLG transfer characteristics in regards to another project, the above pics ^ are purely for documentation of the content and/or demo’s existence, not for visual analysis of the imagery vis-à-vis members’ devices when viewing on Blu-ray.com.

[Richard Paul]

Originally Posted by HeatEquation

Samsung lied to its customers last year then. They said their 2016 TVs could be updated with dynamic HDR10.

Just to play devil's advocate but this could have been due to an overly optimistic Samsung employee saying this during NAB 2016 because he heard that they were working on a firmware update. Samsung was likely working on a firmware update but after testing difficult scenes they might have realized that the processor in their 2016 HDR TVs wasn't good enough. That would explain why there was talk about a firmware update during NAB 2016 but Samsung got very quiet about it during the second half of 2016.

Originally Posted by DanBa

So according to John Archer, HDR10+ is not standardized by a standards body.

It sounds like Samsung is just going to release HDR10+ and try to build momentum for it. If they can get enough support for it than they can get it approved by the CTA.

Originally Posted by HeatEquation

Still, the way they've handled this dynamic HDR10 thing has been absurd. They probably won't even update last year's models with HLG either.

Samsung was talking about a firmware update for HLG as recently as November so unless they are a glutton for bad publicity I would be surprised if they went back on that.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinio...mma-what-is-it

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by DanBa

"Transkoder 2017 is the latest release of Colorfront's standalone mastering system for UHDTV, HDR, and digital cinema and production. The version 2017 is now in preview, and is currently on track to a NAB 2017 launch and a spring release.
Colorfront Transkoder is the ultimate tool for HDR mastering....

If Colorfront makes a big splash with Transkoder 2017 at NAB, zee Beat will cover it… http://www.businesswire.com/news/hom...0301006164/en/, if gochya (https://twitter.com/gochya) stringing for postPerspective doesn’t.