4K Movies Releases

[spectre08]

Originally Posted by Brightstar

Not really mate not everyone owns a 4k tv so they will wait it out

We'll see. I'm sure they'll do market research on it. Big expensive box sets aren't exactly for "everyone" already. They're very specifically geared toward collectors and enthusiasts, which also happen to be some of the earliest adopters of 4K.

It wouldn't surprise me either way.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Who ruined the master this time?

If the new master of Spy Who Loved Me (which we got on Blu) is any indication, these Lowry-less remasters should look rather lovely.

[reanimator]

I have tickets for the 4K GOLDFINGER in July and will be looking to see if the Lowry-forcefields are still present in all their smeary glory.

[jono3000]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Old news Michael: http://www.parkcircus.com/latest/100...restored_in_4k

Full list here: http://www.parkcircus.com/films/coll...digital_cinema

Good list, I would definitely buy UltraHD Blu-ray releases of most of those. Hope they do a Bond complete set rather than the small collections I bought on Blu-ray then sold to get the 50 box.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

If the new master of Spy Who Loved Me (which we got on Blu) is any indication, these Lowry-less remasters should look rather lovely.

Forgot they didn't do that

Originally Posted by reanimator

I have tickets for the 4K GOLDFINGER in July and will be looking to see if the Lowry-forcefields are still present in all their smeary glory.

I saw the Lowry at 4k and it was the frozen grain that showed it up

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by spectre08

on that note. I have now learned the Soderbergh shot and edited MMXXL. How very interesting indeed.

From time to time, he enjoys using “Peter Andrews” as his Director of Photography pseudonym and “Mary Ann Bernard” as his Editor pseudonym.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

I saw the Lowry at 4k and it was the frozen grain that showed it up

Mike, where's your grain/DNR YouTube video?

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Mike, where's your grain/DNR YouTube video?

[Richard Paul]

The BBC/NHK transfer function was added to HEVC so there are now two different ways to encode HDR video in HEVC. Overall I think it is good to have the option to use a relative luminance HDR system and it will likely be used in the broadcast industry.

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Perhaps, but not in a disingenuous fashion as Movielabs also co-authored this input document (U0044) - http://isovideo.com/jct-vc-denoise_2015.php

I think Movielabs gave a reasonable explanation for what can cause noise but it is directly related to the SMPTE 2084 transfer function due to the very large brightness range that it can cover (200 million to 1). So noise reduction is likely to be a component of working with SMPTE 2084 since it can have up to 3 bits of noise. Also while it would come with a higher cost Movielabs did provide some useful steps to deal with the noise (32-bit video processing and noise reduction).

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

The BBC/NHK transfer function was added to HEVC so there are now two different ways to encode HDR video in HEVC. Overall I think it is good to have the option to use a relative luminance HDR system and it will likely be used in the broadcast industry.

I do too.

ITU (Andy Q.’s group) hopes to have a report out addressing the HDR broadcast imperative this summer.

Beyond that, live HDR (broadcast) will produce special challenges dealing with, for example, picture-in-picture applications and graphic overlays to ensure a comfortable viewing experience for consumers.

Also, another significant thing which will have to be considered eventually is how to *control* the advertisers, i.e. commercials. It would not be good form for the industry to repeat the situation that led to the Commercial Advertisement Loudness Mitigation Act (CALM) by inserting HDR enabled commercials which don’t abide by the parameters used with HDR programming itself.

[Derb]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Also, another significant thing which will have to be considered eventually is how to *control* the advertisers, i.e. commercials. It would not be good form for the industry to repeat the situation that led to the Commercial Advertisement Loudness Mitigation Act (CALM) by inserting HDR enabled commercials which don’t abide by the parameters used with HDR programming itself.

As long as my mom can record five 4K shows at once, she'll be happy.

[Penton-Man]

Geez, mike’s in the doghouse again! What did I miss? Something on a thread outside of the Tech forum again?

Geoff, to continue representing the U.K. contingent (b.t.w. England won yesterday in the WWC and if you check the Prem thread, I appreciate hairless legs), you’re going to have to take up the slack here until mike returns.

[Derb]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Geez, mike’s in the doghouse again! What did I miss? Something on a thread outside of the Tech forum again?

Geoff, to continue representing the U.K. contingent (b.t.w. England won yesterday in the WWC and if you check the Prem thread, I appreciate hairless legs), you’re going to have to take up the slack here until mike returns.

I think spectre08 gave him a hug & he didn't like how it was not man like.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Derb

I think spectre08 gave him a hug & he didn't like how it was not man like.

Well, back to the topic of 4K/UHD rather than the interpersonal drama. Hope to see both of them back after cooler heads prevail . If they think they have it tough, just think how the Republicans feel after this week.

Anyway, give me a few moments to find another worthy YouTube learning or entertainment clip at least for a diversion in the meantime….unless of course everyone has a burning desire for listening to me post about my admiration of the on-field sportsmanship and fair play of Women’s World Cup soccer compared to that of the Men’s game, which I still love, despite its comparative flaws.

Wish I was up there in your neck of the woods to either watch some of the World Cup matches or else compete in the http://www.bcbikerace.com/the-journey/the-stages/

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

HDR video

To introduce the potential benefit of HDR (which admittedly also has a potential for abuse, as I’ve outlined/detailed before …anyway, to show off HDR to newcomers to the concept…. rather than presenting SDR/HDR side-by-side demos, I agree with Stacey that a better SDR-HDR demo would be done like this…..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPnr...utu.be&t=2m29s

That old Army guy spears ^ knows his stuff.....and I think anyone who had the balls to purchase a Playstation for personal use while working for Amir back in the day has to be admired.

[Derb]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

To introduce the potential benefit of HDR (which admittedly also has a potential for abuse, as I’ve outlined/detailed before …anyway, to show off HDR to newcomers to the concept…. rather than presenting SDR/HDR side-by-side demos, I agree with Stacey that a better SDR-HDR demo would be done like this…..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPnr...utu.be&t=2m29s

I hadn't seen side bys but with regular HD demo's the same effect was happening when introducing people to 1080. So if this is similar in effect, yes I'd agree to show the best SDR first to the consumer.

One thing stood out for me was the backlight has to be increased in order for HDR to benefit. If so wouldn't that lessen the lifespan of the TV itself?

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Geez, mike’s in the doghouse again! What did I miss? Something on a thread outside of the Tech forum again?

Geoff, to continue representing the U.K. contingent (b.t.w. England won yesterday in the WWC and if you check the Prem thread, I appreciate hairless legs), you’re going to have to take up the slack here until mike returns.

Mike's pretty much a marked man around here, if he gets into a ding-dong with someone (yes, there are other threads than the Tech forum, Penton ) he always gets hit with the ban hammer. Trouble is he can't turn off his, ah, straight talking manner so it's no wonder he attracts such attention. Ain't that right, mike?

My enthusiasm for UHD BD is diminishing rapidly though Mr P. I'm still fascinated by all the technical tidbits (as people may have gathered, I'm a fiend for tech stuff) but I won't be getting into UHD BD at the start, if at all.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Derb

One thing stood out for me was the backlight has to be increased in order for HDR to benefit. If so wouldn't that lessen the lifespan of the TV itself?

Re: lifespan
With LCD (LED) technology, nobody’s really worrying.
With HDR and OLED displays, yes, there is already some concern , which could be exacerbated by a potential future nits/arms race

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Mike's pretty much a marked man around here, if he gets into a ding-dong with someone (yes, there are other threads than the Tech forum, Penton )....

Hey, I occasionally get out of the Tech forum and venture further on down the page to Display Theory and Discussion, e.g. - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...s#post10974610

Originally Posted by Geoff D

he always gets hit with the ban hammer. Trouble is he can't turn off his, ah, straight talking manner so it's no wonder he attracts such attention. Ain't that right, mike?

Well then when he comes back we just have to tie him down here in the 4K Movies Releases thread and force feed him a Penton lecture in vision science with regards to luminance and color or hue, e.g. the Bezold-Brücke effect, or display science like luminance-dependent sensitivity to flicker (Ferry-Porter law) and how this potentially could adversely affect viewing super bright HDR displays.

Hell, that would cure him (or anyone) of their online feistiness.

P.S.
On the other hand, just wondering, maybe mike is more cunning than we all presume and he intentionally pushes his luck with other members complaining to the mods because he already has a pre-planned absence anyway from Blu-ray.com in order to go work on a new project, go on holiday, etc.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

It would not be good form for the industry to... inserting HDR enabled commercials which don’t abide by the parameters used with HDR programming itself.

e.g. HDR formatted commercials should be nailed to the same parameter set for HDR programming and conversely, non-HDR compliant commercials should not be placed with HDR programming.

Why? Because of the speed of light and dark adaptation by our eyes.
(outside reading for mike and spectre while on sabbatical -> 'the Watson-Yellot model',

I’ll save discourse on the rods and cones aspect of it -
Friedburg, C., Thomas, M.M. and
Lamb, T.D.(2001) “Time course of
the flash response of dark- and lightadapted
human rod photoreceptors
derived from the electroretinogram.” J.
Physiol. 534.1, pp. 217-242

for later date, if needed.