HDR Discussion Thread

[Penton-Man]

wuz up peeps?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by ray0414

Penton Man, have you ever seen a Dolby Pulsar monitor in action (they all have 6500 zones in assuming?)

Most definitely, multiple times, and to be precise, it’s 6,032 zones - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...s#post14804631

Originally Posted by ray0414

curious how the black levels were on it.

Pulsar blacks are superior to those of the Dolby Maui.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Calculating the viewership numbers for the month of June for this thread…..
1,255,502
- 1,158,330 (from May…. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...y#post15125932 , i.e. May figured in at ~ 68,300 views )
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= 97,172 views for the HDR Discussion Thread for June

^ Dang good viewership for a summer holiday get-away month. Keep in mind though, for July, many of us take vacations (including me, and I don’t post when I’m on holiday), so don’t be at surprised if maybe the viewership total for July drops some…. unless other members fill in to carry on, because the numbers show that similar to this vintage commercial, when the HDR Discussion thread talks…..people listen -

When EF Hutton talks, people listen - 'Restaurant' commercial - YouTube

No slippage at all in viewership for the month of July as we’re not even completely thru this month and have already broken thru the 100,000 barrier (yet again, as accomplished with some previous months) –
1,358,398
-1,255,502
------------
1,102,896

Well done HDR club! Congrats to all the contributors to the thread, totals so far - https://forum.blu-ray.com/misc.php?d...osted&t=276605

meanwhile, a view from our hotel room –



some background on the top floors of the hotel (to be precise, H.H. lived there for 5 months and 28 days to avoid triggering a Canadian tax event) –

Howard Hughes 2nd Last Home: Bayshore Hotel, Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada - YouTube

P.S.
Note to LordoftheRings - it was absolutely ka-ray-zee marching with a large mob of the French supporters (well lubricated) down Robson St. in the west end following our group viewing of the World Cup final match.
Waboman – hope you dutifully observed…..http://fortune.com/2018/07/24/nation...uila-day-2018/

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

the French

speaking of which…..
https://www.ateme.com/adds-scenarist...-dolby-vision/

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

I was just kidding, of course. 3D is fine though, in China.

And the U.K..

[IntelliVolume]

Originally Posted by KcMsterpce

There may be a lot of factors, and I don't have that TV. I will mention this, though: My OLED65C7 has three separate picture settings menus. One is a whole list of calibration options for non-HDR output. When HDR10 is used, it switches tos a separate menu for the settings in that mode. Finally, Dolby Vision has video settings when THAT is enabled, and they are kept separate from the HDR10 settings, and from the standard video settings.
So the TV is calibrated for three different output standards.

Thanks KC.

Indeed, I am beginning to learn more about how HDR works and how it's actually a separate setting in the menu system; if you are running three different output standards, doesn't this mean you have to switch these modes everytime you play a different kind of disc/media? That would get tiring real quick for me...

That said, I don't know what is best for my Samsung -- being that I am not connected to a UHD player as of yet (just a Blu-ray player), should I just leave the HDR+ mode of my display OFF and calibrate/adjust in one of the "regular" picture modes?

[IntelliVolume]

Originally Posted by ray0414

Yes, going up in screen size exposes all the flaws and issues you never noticed before especially if you're going up 20" in screen size.

I figured as much, Ray; this is very disheartening, as I own a great many DVDs (and Blu-rays of older titles) that I know won't show up well on this bigger screen...the thing is, with my example of Tales From the Hood on Blu-ray, this disc always looked pretty great on my last 50" SXRD and upstairs on my (much smaller) 40" LG. I don't understand how it looked SO atrocious on the new screen save for maybe the screen size bringing out inherent flaws.

[Penton-Man]

although not nearly as nerdy as some of us comprehensively covering aerial cinematographic acquisition cameras not listed on IMDB - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...p#post15135997

yehya remains one of my favorite movie reviewers…..

Yehya Reviews Mission: Impossible - Fallout - YouTube

P.S.
yes we get both Jimmy Kimmel ^ and Steven Colbert in Vancouver, but a bit disconcerting to me was that unlike our local Whole Foods Market in SoCal, the Whole Foods Market on Robson St. on the west side doesn’t sell alcohol.

[KcMsterpce]

Originally Posted by IntelliVolume

if you are running three different output standards, doesn't this mean you have to switch these modes everytime you play a different kind of disc/media? That would get tiring real quick for me...

No, it's automatic. If there's no HDR, it plays the last selected menu setting for SDR sources. When it's HDR10, it switches to that menu setup. Same for DV. You don't manually switch the menus.

That said, I don't know what is best for my Samsung -- being that I am not connected to a UHD player as of yet (just a Blu-ray player), should I just leave the HDR+ mode of my display OFF and calibrate/adjust in one of the "regular" picture modes?

I would suggest against using any kind of "HDR Enhancement" mode. If the video source and/or player doesn't have HDR, then don't use it. Maybe some stuff will look "better" in some way, but there's already enough issues with how HDR is handled... having a TV try to handle it without any assigned data will just make it more unpredictable.
Maybe it looks good though, I don't know... reminds me of the concept of using the TV "fake" 3d conversion for movies... without assigning correct depth parameters, etc... you will get strange results.

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by IntelliVolume

I figured as much, Ray; this is very disheartening, as I own a great many DVDs (and Blu-rays of older titles) that I know won't show up well on this bigger screen...the thing is, with my example of Tales From the Hood on Blu-ray, this disc always looked pretty great on my last 50" SXRD and upstairs on my (much smaller) 40" LG. I don't understand how it looked SO atrocious on the new screen save for maybe the screen size bringing out inherent flaws.

Not to mention, the fact that the panel is 4k hurts it as well. It has to be upscaled and upscaling is not quite up to par yet for lower quality sources.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by IntelliVolume

I'm actually not kidding; the plethora of settings on this new display are driving me bonkers...I don't know what is correct and what isn't. We watched Wonder Woman (2D Blu-ray) over the past couple of nights using the default Standard picture settings and it looked awesome -- but when I put in an older Blu-ray, Tales From the Hood (Scream Factory), it looked cruddy on the new TV...totally not what it looks like on our upstairs 40" LG LCD or even what it looked like on our old Sony SXRD. The picture exhibited odd, cloudy, pumping black levels and tons of grain -- something I didn't notice playing this disc on other displays.

Now, this could be because the 65" screen size is bringing out all the picture irregularities and noise, etc. of most transfers that were hidden on the smaller sizes, or it could be a setting I am not getting right in the menus of this new panel. Either way, I say 1080p Blu-ray/regular LCD, plasma and rear projection TVs were easier to deal with and set up.

In a prior post I gave you links on rratings about your TV and all the settings.
Someone deleted that post, it beats me because the links were very informative.
I would ask to whoever deleted that post to put it back please.

It was probably a mistake because positive posts don't get deleted, right.

• https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sa...u8000/settings

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

No slippage at all in viewership for the month of July as we’re not even completely thru this month and have already broken thru the 100,000 barrier (yet again, as accomplished with some previous months) –
1,358,398
-1,255,502
------------
1,102,896

Well done HDR club! Congrats to all the contributors to the thread, totals so far - https://forum.blu-ray.com/misc.php?d...osted&t=276605

meanwhile, a view from our hotel room –



some background on the top floors of the hotel (to be precise, H.H. lived there for 5 months and 28 days to avoid triggering a Canadian tax event) –

Howard Hughes 2nd Last Home: Bayshore Hotel, Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada - YouTube

P.S.
Note to LordoftheRings - it was absolutely ka-ray-zee marching with a large mob of the French supporters (well lubricated) down Robson St. in the west end following our group viewing of the World Cup final match.
Waboman – hope you dutifully observed…..http://fortune.com/2018/07/24/nation...uila-day-2018/

Nice place Penton; BC is beautiful, Vancouver is a nice city with gorgeous surroundings...the ocean, the bridge, the park, the mountains, ...
Sorry I could not received you, I was across on Vancouver Island surfing and sailing with the whales between all those gorgeous smaller islands. ...Next time, when HDR hits the prime.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

And the U.K..

China is just bigger, but yes, UK and Europe, more than USA and Canada.

The economy is splendid in the USA (and Russia); I expect to see the return of 3D as soon as things adjust themselves in due time and better organisation. ...Same for HDR and its derivative...Dolby Vision. ...Without prescription glasses.

Mexico will also benefit, but not Canada, unfortunately. We are just too stubborn and don't grab an economic opportunity when it is offered to us by a great dealer.

[Waboman]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

No slippage at all in viewership for the month of July as we’re not even completely thru this month and have already broken thru the 100,000 barrier (yet again, as accomplished with some previous months) –
1,358,398
-1,255,502
------------
1,102,896

Well done HDR club! Congrats to all the contributors to the thread, totals so far - https://forum.blu-ray.com/misc.php?d...osted&t=276605

meanwhile, a view from our hotel room –

[Show spoiler]

some background on the top floors of the hotel (to be precise, H.H. lived there for 5 months and 28 days to avoid triggering a Canadian tax event) –

Howard Hughes 2nd Last Home: Bayshore Hotel, Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada - YouTube

P.S.
Note to LordoftheRings - it was absolutely ka-ray-zee marching with a large mob of the French supporters (well lubricated) down Robson St. in the west end following our group viewing of the World Cup final match.
Waboman – hope you dutifully observed…..http://fortune.com/2018/07/24/nation...uila-day-2018/

Have fun on your vaca. Make sure you swing by this place for lunch. I recommend the soup.

[IntelliVolume]

Originally Posted by ray0414

Not to mention, the fact that the panel is 4k hurts it as well. It has to be upscaled and upscaling is not quite up to par yet for lower quality sources.

Yes, I understand that, but in the case of Tales From the Hood (the example disc I pointed out) it was a 1080p Blu-ray, so the upconversion wasn't AS intensive as, say, for a DVD (though in my system, the DVDs are being upscaled first by the excellent Oppo BDP-83 to 1080p and then to 4K by the Samsung).

[IntelliVolume]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

In a prior post I gave you links on rratings about your TV and all the settings.
Someone deleted that post, it beats me because the links were very informative.
I would ask to whoever deleted that post to put it back please.

It was probably a mistake because positive posts don't get deleted, right.

• https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sa...u8000/settings

Yes, I appreciated that -- and I did in fact print out those pages so I could have them in front of me when I was adjusting the TV. It was definitely helpful, and thank you again for that.

I don't know why the post was deleted, though...

[IntelliVolume]

Originally Posted by KcMsterpce

No, it's automatic. If there's no HDR, it plays the last selected menu setting for SDR sources. When it's HDR10, it switches to that menu setup. Same for DV. You don't manually switch the menus.

Oh I see; that makes more sense.

I would suggest against using any kind of "HDR Enhancement" mode. If the video source and/or player doesn't have HDR, then don't use it. Maybe some stuff will look "better" in some way, but there's already enough issues with how HDR is handled... having a TV try to handle it without any assigned data will just make it more unpredictable.
Maybe it looks good though, I don't know... reminds me of the concept of using the TV "fake" 3d conversion for movies... without assigning correct depth parameters, etc... you will get strange results.

But I'm still confused about this...the HDR+ mode on my Samsung is an ENHANCEMENT mode...it doesn't control applying HDR at ALL? See, that's what I don't understand -- is the TV AUTOMATICALLY applying HDR to all material, and the HDR+ mode is simply a post-processing thing...or do I have to engage HDR+ in order to make the TV apply HDR algorithms?

If the LATTER is the case, then I am just going to wait until I get a 4K player with HDR output support to use that HDR+ feature...

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by IntelliVolume

Yes, I appreciated that -- and I did in fact print out those pages so I could have them in front of me when I was adjusting the TV. It was definitely helpful, and thank you again for that.

I don't know why the post was deleted, though...

So you noticed that too; yes, very very strange that someone deleted a good informative, beneficial and positive post.

I have only good things to say about Blu-ray forum and all its members.
It must have been a mistake, it has to, it cannot be anything else, impossible.

I'm glad rtings has a great review of your HDR 4K TV, and with that great section on the Settings.

And by the way, I'm also glad that someone saw the true light and gave you back fair life.

Cheers,

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by ray0414

Not to mention, the fact that the panel is 4k hurts it as well. It has to be upscaled and upscaling is not quite up to par yet for lower quality sources.

Eh, if you had the exact same TV with exact same size & specs only the panel was 1080p then I'd bet cash money it would still look just as shitty to Mr IntelliVolume. Dialling in the proper settings always helps with lower quality stuff, I mean if it's got genuine technical issues (DNR, EE, poor compression, what have you) then it will only look worse the bigger and better you go, but if a source is merely mediocre then you sure as heck don't want lots of goofy enhancement crap ladling on more processing. I watched Threads, a PAL 576i50 DVD of a show shot on 16mm, a few months back upscaled to 2160p50 on my 65" telly and it looked excellent for what it is.

[IntelliVolume]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Eh, if you had the exact same TV with exact same size & specs only the panel was 1080p then I'd bet cash money it would still look just as shitty to Mr IntelliVolume. Dialling in the proper settings always helps with lower quality stuff, I mean if it's got genuine technical issues (DNR, EE, poor compression, what have you) then it will only look worse the bigger and better you go, but if a source is merely mediocre then you sure as heck don't want lots of goofy enhancement crap ladling on more processing. I watched Threads, a PAL 576i50 DVD of a show shot on 16mm, a few months back upscaled to 2160p50 on my 65" telly and it looked excellent for what it is.

I knew you wouldn't be able to resist being a total and utter cocksmith to me, but just to let you know, I'm working on getting the processing enhancement settings turned off where necessary, and still getting used to the TV in general. I don't know if this is what's causing some material to look poor on the new display, and in all fairness, I have only watched two discs on it so far (well, three, if I'm counting the Jason Bourne Blu-ray viewed last night)...but what I CAN say is that on my old SXRD (1080p) display (albeit smaller) the Tales From the Hood Blu-ray didn't look as bad as it did on the 4K set (and it looks even "better" on the 40" LG LCD in the bedroom (of course, this is probably because they're smaller displays which you don't seem to agree with).

Instead of sarcastic remarks like the aforementioned, why don't you try helping someone when they have genuine questions about their display?