HDR Discussion Thread

[LordoftheRings]

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Originally Posted by bytor

No, I haven't seen this in any other black and white film. Or if I have it was only a single instance so not memorable. Someone on the AVS forum confirmed that it happens in HDR10 as well as Dolby Vision. I'm just curious what you HDR experts think it is.

@ the movie theater or on Netflix streaming 4K HDR Dolby Vision and HDR10?

* Here's another direct link where you can ask him directly:
https://m.facebook.com/ROMACuaron/

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Waboman

Have you ever been on a real shrimp boat?
No, but I've been on a real big boat.

A round of hamberders on the PM. When we go off topic we go all in.

Contrary to what some might have thought, the shoulder patch on Tom’s high altitude suit -> https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...s#post15798829
is not that of the Space Force….

Space Force | Announcement [HD] | Netflix - YouTube

https://deadline.com/2019/01/space-f...on-1202535944/

[bytor]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

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@ the movie theater or on Netflix streaming 4K HDR Dolby Vision and HDR10?

* Here's another direct link where you can ask him directly:
https://m.facebook.com/ROMACuaron/

Netflix streaming 4K both in Dolby Vision and HDR10. Unfortunately I'm not on social media so won't be able to contact him myself. I do love the movie though so hopefully he becomes aware at some point and corrects it.

[gkolb]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Contrary to what some might have thought, the shoulder patch on Tom’s high altitude suit -> https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...s#post15798829
is not that of the Space Force….

Space Force | Announcement [HD] | Netflix - YouTube
https://deadline.com/2019/01/space-f...on-1202535944/

Wait. I'm confused, like Carell is in The Office.
Was that promo video real?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by bytor

Netflix streaming 4K both in Dolby Vision and HDR10. Unfortunately I'm not on social media so won't be able to contact him myself. I do love the movie though so hopefully he becomes aware at some point and corrects it.

Even if not, best to document here with more detail....more timestamps. This is of interest as Steve Scott is one of Hollywood's premier colorists.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by gkolb

Wait. I'm confused, like Carell is in The Office.
Was that promo video real?

I believe it’s real, I don’t think the people at Deadline are ‘smocking’ on the job.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

I'm registered and have a few folks I know well on the panel. Looking forward to this SMPTE NY special discussion event.

Robert, any tidbits from the smpte ny meeting yesterday?

[bytor]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Even if not, best to document here with more detail....more timestamps. This is of interest as Steve Scott is one of Hollywood's premier colorists.

Thanks, he is on this forum? I will certainly get more timestamps the next time I watch. It would be helpful if some people here could check out the one at 1:17:45 though just to confirm. The person that verified the visual glitch at that timestamp on the AVS forum had a Sony Z9D like myself so I want to make sure it's happening on other brands as well.

[Robert Zohn]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Robert, any tidbits from the smpte ny meeting yesterday?

Food and drinks were great as was the nice time I had reminiscing with old friends from my TV Broadcast days. But again I'm very sad to say TV Broadcasters do not seem to have much interest in delivering 4K HDR.

Very sad to see the broadcasters that control so much content staying with the last generation of 720p/1080i SDR domain. Someone need to wake them up so they stop the bleeding of the consumers to the 4K HDR streaming services. Broadcasters need to look ahead and ascend with the times.

[PaulGo]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I believe it’s real, I don’t think the people at Deadline are ‘smocking’ on the job.

'Space Force'

(CNN) Out-of-this-world news for fans of "The Office," outer space and subtle jabs at President Donald Trump: Steve Carell is set to star in a TV series called "Space Force" for Netflix.
The show will be a workplace comedy "centered around the people tasked with creating a sixth branch of the armed services," according to the streaming service.
Carell co-created the series and will executive produce, in addition to starring.
The project will reunite Carell with Greg Daniels, who adapted "The Office" for American television and served as executive producer.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/16/enter...lix/index.html

[PaulGo]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Food and drinks were great as was the nice time I had reminiscing with old friends from my TV Broadcast days. But again I'm very sad to say TV Broadcasters do not seem to have much interest in delivering 4K HDR.

Very sad to see the broadcasters that control so much content staying with the last generation of 720p/1080i SDR domain. Someone need to wake them up so they stop the bleeding of the consumers to the 4K HDR streaming services. Broadcasters need to look ahead and ascend with the times.

Sadly for broadcasters they make a lot more money splitting up the available spectrum for increased low resolution channels which they get more advertising revenue.

[DanBa]

HDR Format War Update: CES Introduces Major New Developments

"Panasonic’s GZ2000 has underlined my long-held hope that TV manufacturers will ultimately ‘end’ the HDR format war by simply taking it upon themselves to support all HDR formats that come their way.

Panasonic’s introduction of this HDR neutral TV is a doubly significant move given that Panasonic was actually one of the founding members of the HDR10+ Alliance. If even a brand as previously anti-Dolby Vision and pro-HDR10+ as Panasonic is now willing to swallow its pride and give consumers what they’re crying out for[*], you’ve got to think other TV brands will follow with their own ‘universal’ HDR TVs in the not too distant future."
https://twitter.com/BigJohnnyArcher/...58417643704320

*:
"Being able to enjoy the best possible performance from any HDR title you stream or buy on disc, regardless of what dynamic HDR format it might have been mastered in, is what any consumer would want. And the GZ2000 is the only TV that can deliver this awesome peace of mind."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarc.../#6b5551574637

"The new Panasonic GZ2000 finally does away with the frustrating situation whereby the brand of TV you buy dictates the HDR formats you can enjoy."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarc.../#41ed9bca7cc1

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally Posted by DanBa

"The new Panasonic GZ2000 finally does away with the frustrating situation whereby the brand of TV you buy dictates the HDR formats you can enjoy."

Hmmm...

Hopefully Panasonic have improved their TV's networking capabilities and they've re-introduced on-board DTS decoding, so all us people with NAS's can play our media files without loosing connection and hear DTS audio...

[Robert Zohn]

Originally Posted by PaulGo

Sadly for broadcasters they make a lot more money splitting up the available spectrum for increased low resolution channels which they get more advertising revenue.

Yes, I know and agree that's the thinking, but at what point will any of the broadcasters consider that 4K HDR is important to the consumers? The model of increased revenue from creating more low resolution channels to sell ad space does not consider the viewers who have choices of Netflix, Amazon Prime Video and physical media for their content delivery.

The consumer 4K HDR TV market is very robust and 4K HDR capable TVs are pretty much all you can buy today. Once any consumer sees 4K HDR they don't enjoy watching broadcast 720p and 1080i and quickly change their viewing habits to more 4K HDR programming. So the model of delivering more low res content with standard dynamic range loses viewers and this trend gains momentum as more award winning series come out from Netflix and Amazon Prime.

Asia and the EU are far ahead of the USA TV Broadcasters in advancing the image performance and that formula is working well in those regions.

Naively, I thought ATSC 3.0 would bring us 4K HDR content, but sadly the USA broadcasters think differently and the big buzz for them is splitting up the bandwidth for more channels, 2nd screen delivery and 2-way feedback. All very cool features, but from what I can tell no one is moving forward with 4K HDR programming. ):

[avs commenter]

They film sporting events now in 8K but still only broadcast in 1080i, at best. And I don't understand why a big event like the Super Bowl can't at least be streamed in 4K?

https://www.techspot.com/news/78227-...uper-bowl.html

[King Crimson]

U.S Broadcasting is a joke, which is why I don't even have cable. Whats the point of all these movies and TV shows if you never watch them? I have tons of content to watch for me and my fiance without watching it in shitty resolution. That's 130 I'm saving in cable helps me afford the movies and TV shows I want to own.

[PaulGo]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Yes, I know and agree that's the thinking, but at what point will any of the broadcasters consider that 4K HDR is important to the consumers? The model of increased revenue from creating more low resolution channels to sell ad space does not consider the viewers who have choices of Netflix, Amazon Prime Video and physical media for their content delivery.:

I believe broadcasters will start producing shows in 4K HDR for resale to Netflix, Hulu..., but will not broadcast in 4K unless their ratings go down the tubes. (Again it's all about money.)

[Robert Zohn]

Thank you Paul, having the O&O's original content on Netflix and Hulu is very good and sorry to admit I did not know that! Thanks for adding that to this discussion.

I will keep up my message to the broadcasters and OTT cable carriers to give us 4K HDR on select programming. So I'll be ok with just the content that would benefit the most from 4K HDR, like sports and prime time viewing hours with their exclusive series content.

Let's start delivering the new TV standard that is in almost every HD DHR capable TV purchased since 2017.

[PaulGo]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Thank you Paul, having the O&O's original content on Netflix and Hulu is very good and sorry to admit I did not know that! Thanks for adding that to this discussion.

I will keep up my message to the broadcasters and OTT cable carriers to give us 4K HDR on select programming. So I'll be ok with just the content that would benefit the most from 4K HDR, like sports and prime time viewing hours with their exclusive series content.

Let's start delivering the new TV standard that is in almost every HD DHR capable TV purchased since 2017.

In order to broadcast 4K won't the broadcasters need to use ATSC 3.0 and the sets be capable of receiving OTA ATSC 3.0. Another to receive the broadcast of course would be cable and I assume the 4K would be in the HLG format for live content.

[avs commenter]

Broadcasters won't be in any hurry to upgrade to ATSC 3.0 until there is a proven way to make money from it.