HDR Discussion Thread - Page 192 - Blu-ray Forum

Penton-Man · 01-05-2018, 08:51 PM

Note to PaulGo

, in case you don’t regularly peruse the 4K thread, heads-up

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https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...7#post14514541

zmarty · 01-05-2018, 09:12 PM

I started the process of getting my original content on Amazon (Prime) video. My plan was to deliver it in HDR10, and maybe soon HDR10+.

However, interestingly, Amazon does not support 4K or HDR for any outside content. They only support it if they author it themselves. So for now I am restricted to 1080p Rec 709.

I contacted them, I hope we can work something out.

Penton-Man · 01-05-2018, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HeatEquation

This all sounds great to me, especially the part about manufacturers still having some control.

All the best with those Bezier guides.

P.S.
Welcome back. During the accounting phase, I posted previously a few pages back that you lay dormant. Good to see something woke you up. Geoff had since taken over 2nd place.

Ruined · 01-05-2018, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Why would Disney who has strong ties to Apple be interested in HDR10+ given their 2018 plans of a exclusive streaming service with all their Lucas, Marvel, Disney content?

Do you see any love for Amazon or Samsung in this picture?

HDR10+ is an open dynamic metadata HDR format, not a closed dynamic metadata HDR format like the more costly Dolby Vision - and more rival streaming services use Dolby Vision than HDR10+.

The love will be for whatever does the job in regards to dynamic metadata and is cheapest, which will be HDR10+.

JohnAV · 01-05-2018, 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruined

HDR10+ is an open dynamic metadata HDR format, not a closed dynamic metadata HDR format like the more costly Dolby Vision - and more rival streaming services use Dolby Vision than HDR10+.

The love will be for whatever does the job in regards to dynamic metadata and is cheapest, which will be HDR10+.

In that case obviously Amazon is interested in the cheapest not the best.

Geoff D · 01-05-2018, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

All the best with those Bezier guides.

P.S.
Welcome back. During the accounting phase, I posted previously a few pages back that you lay dormant. Good to see something woke you up. Geoff had since taken over 2nd place.

He had an, ah, enforced hibernation from the boards. No doubt he'll get another vacation soon enough.

Penton-Man · 01-06-2018, 04:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockyIII

HFR?

Ultra HD, High Frame Rate (HFR) 100 Hz -
http://demo-uhd3d.com/fiche.php?cat=uhd&id=161
camera panning of a panoramic mountainside community with some motor vehicles moving and people walking in the foreground…one bike rider for good measure

)

Tech specs of thee original live stream….

Penton-Man · 01-06-2018, 04:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geoff D

He had an, ah, enforced hibernation from the boards. No doubt he'll get another vacation soon enough.

An extended absence would ultimately lead to ray or salty qualifying for the Champions League…
https://forum.blu-ray.com/misc.php?d...osted&t=276605

Heat, you’ve got to control your temperament in order to stay in contention for a top 4 spot!

ray0414 · 01-06-2018, 04:55 AM

Not exactly hdr related, but more HFR related, Samsung's new Exynos 9810 for the Non-usa Galaxy S9/S9+ can shoot video at 4k 120fps. Yes, 120fps. No word yet if it will film in hdr at the same time.

PeterTHX · 01-06-2018, 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ray0414

Not exactly hdr related, but more HFR related, Samsung's new Exynos 9810 for the Non-usa Galaxy S9/S9+ can shoot video at 4k 120fps. Yes, 120fps. No word yet if it will film in hdr at the same time.

I think the big news is that it uses film

RockyIII · 01-06-2018, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Ultra HD, High Frame Rate (HFR) 100 Hz -
http://demo-uhd3d.com/fiche.php?cat=uhd&id=161
camera panning of a panoramic mountainside community with some motor vehicles moving and people walking in the foreground…one bike rider for good measure

)

Tech specs of thee original live stream….

Thanks. Hope more directors start adopting HFR in movies. It is sad that we have all these new technologies in film-making-4K, HDR, WCG-and yet we still rely on a 100-year-old frame rate

Penton-Man · 01-06-2018, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Thanks. Hope more directors start adopting HFR in movies. It is sad that we have all these new technologies in film-making-4K, HDR, WCG-and yet we still rely on a 100-year-old frame rate

Personally, I think Geoff, Steed, Tob and I are most looking forward to more detail and clarity provided by the increased temporal resolution/high dynamic range of the content in the far upper right hand corner…

Penton-Man · 01-06-2018, 08:04 PM

For those goin to z show (wholeheartedly, or just as an excuse to flee the cold weather in much of other parts of the country/world, exception being SoCal

)…..
https://www.crispincorp.com/visit-sony-ces-2018/

Penton-Man · 01-06-2018, 08:08 PM

Follow-up to this heads-up....
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...g#post14337071

Heads-up to tutorial Part 2 - https://mixinglight.com/color-tutori...on-hdr-part-2/

puddy77 · 01-06-2018, 09:30 PM

I posted this in the SW:TLJ thread:

Quote:

Originally Posted by puddy77

FotoKem has a press release about their work on TLJ: 3rd party website or original PDF.
A couple interesting quotes:

Quote:

A remote post production facility was assembled near-set in London where film technician Simone Appleby expertly operated two real-time film scanners, digitizing up to 15,000 feet a day of 35mm footage at slightly above 4K resolution.

Quote:

Volpatto also oversaw the HDR pass and IMAX versions. Ultimately, multiple deliverables were created by FotoKem including standard DCP, HDR10, Dolby Vision, HLG, 3D (in standard, stereo Dolby and 2D Dolby HDR), and home video formats. FotoKem worked with IMAX to align the color science pipeline with their Xenon and laser DCPs and 15-perf 70mm prints as well.

The mention of HLG caught my eye. I can only assume an HLG grade is future-proofing for television systems that broadcast in HLG.

Has anyone heard of any other movies creating an HLG grade? I assumed TV and movies would stick to PQ and convert to HLG during broadcast (if needed). But I guess they will start adding HLG to the suite of standard deliverables.

Tns49 · 01-06-2018, 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by puddy77

I posted this in the SW:TLJ thread:

Has anyone heard of any other movies creating an HLG grade? I assumed TV and movies would stick to PQ and convert to HLG during broadcast (if needed). But I guess they will start adding HLG to the suite of standard deliverables.

Lots of HLG grading being created for "Broadcast". Pretty much assumed to not match any of the other HDR systems for media streaming or on disc.

Shalashaska · 01-06-2018, 11:43 PM

And here I was thinking HeatEquation was gone for good.

Penton-Man · 01-07-2018, 01:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by puddy77

I posted this in the SW:TLJ thread:
FotoKem has a press release about their work on TLJ: 3rd party website or original PDF.
A couple interesting quotes:

Unfortunately, despite all the self-promotion, it seems that more than one theater-goer (along with some of us here) has complained about the quality of the HDR -
http://www.avsforum.com/star-wars-la...r-atmos-sound/

Penton-Man · 01-07-2018, 01:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

yielding the full potential of the resolution and HDR

With regards to fire, something from an interview Claudio gave last month at the Dolby Cinema Vine Theater in Hollywood , with the motion picture, Only the Brave….
https://vimeo.com/249493086#t=9m42s <- towards the end.

Joce · 01-07-2018, 02:10 AM

Panasonic will release it's first HDR 10+ TV.

https://www.avforums.com/news/panaso...lus-plus.14437

01-07-2018, 02:10 AM	#3840
Joce Active Member Member since:Nov 2010	Panasonic will release it's first HDR 10+ TV. https://www.avforums.com/news/panaso...lus-plus.14437 Last edited by Joce; 01-07-2018 at 02:21 AM.

01-05-2018, 08:51 PM	#3821
Penton-Man Retired Hollywood Insider Member since:Apr 2007	Note to PaulGo , in case you don’t regularly peruse the 4K thread, heads-up - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...7#post14514541

01-05-2018, 09:12 PM	#3822
zmarty Active Member Member since:Dec 2011 Trading Score:4	I started the process of getting my original content on Amazon (Prime) video. My plan was to deliver it in HDR10, and maybe soon HDR10+. However, interestingly, Amazon does not support 4K or HDR for any outside content. They only support it if they author it themselves. So for now I am restricted to 1080p Rec 709. I contacted them, I hope we can work something out.

01-06-2018, 04:55 AM	#3829
ray0414 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Oct 2015 Location:Michigan, USA, 35yo Trading Score:9	Not exactly hdr related, but more HFR related, Samsung's new Exynos 9810 for the Non-usa Galaxy S9/S9+ can shoot video at 4k 120fps. Yes, 120fps. No word yet if it will film in hdr at the same time.

01-06-2018, 08:04 PM	#3833
Penton-Man Retired Hollywood Insider Member since:Apr 2007	For those goin to z show (wholeheartedly, or just as an excuse to flee the cold weather in much of other parts of the country/world, exception being SoCal )….. https://www.crispincorp.com/visit-sony-ces-2018/

01-06-2018, 08:08 PM	#3834
Penton-Man Retired Hollywood Insider Member since:Apr 2007	Follow-up to this heads-up.... https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...g#post14337071 Heads-up to tutorial Part 2 - https://mixinglight.com/color-tutori...on-hdr-part-2/

01-06-2018, 11:43 PM	#3837
Shalashaska Senior Member Member since:Jul 2016	And here I was thinking HeatEquation was gone for good.

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