HDR Discussion Thread

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I'll have a look at some Carbon and get back to you.

Alas, I fear I’ve sensitized you and others by now and a clean evaluation like I mentioned for the winter Olympics in HDR (HLG vs HDR10 going in clueless - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...g#post14694651 is best).

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by PaulGo

I just tried saying "4K Olympics" and Xfinity had two 4K HDR previews (about 15 minutes total) which looked and sounded quite good. The main events start tomorrow in 4K and HDR.

Good to hear.
Try in a room with abundant ambient light and tell us what you think of the picture quality...same goes for anyone watching with DirecTV.

[PaulGo]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Alas, I fear I’ve sensitized you and others by now and a clean evaluation like I mentioned for the winter Olympics in HDR (HLG vs HDR10 going in clueless - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...g#post14694651 is best).

The Olympics via NBC will not be a good test since NBC is converting all HLG HDR to HDR10 for broadcasting in the US. I assume down the road when sports broadcasts will be live it will be in HLG.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by puddy77

And since you mention the great HDR, shout out to

Jaclyn
http://www.tvnewscheck.com/article/1...10=1&nocookies

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by PaulGo

The Olympics via NBC will not be a good test since NBC is converting all HLG HDR to HDR10 for broadcasting in the US. I assume down the road when sports broadcasts will be live it will be in HLG.

the world contains many English speakers - https://www.satelliteguys.us/xen/thr.../#post-4194416

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

the world contains many English speakers - https://www.satelliteguys.us/xen/thr.../#post-4194416

And for those who think they’re getting that HDR signal thru a high luminance capable display, test possible implementation of thee contention……
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...d#post13784796

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

At least one set of Eagles won on Sunday.

Talkin non-winter Olympic sports.
First I ride this a.m.
Then I catch up with this episode from earlier in the week to get psyched up….

https://www.facebook.com/JoeNBC/vide...6134202261880/

Then I watch thee actual match from this morning which I’ve recorded (alas, not in HDR, but beggars can’t be choosers)
Later.

[PaulGo]

For Comcast viewers it is on a 24 hour delay and only available on VOD. As stated in the reference I gave above Comcast is converting the 4K HLG feed to 4K HDR10.

[Penton-Man]

I know, Paul. No problem , I wasn’t necessarily disagreeing with your input. I was expanding the playing field to others as per my previous comment above (now bolded for clarification)

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Good to hear.
Try in a room with abundant ambient light and tell us what you think of the picture quality...same goes for anyone watching with DirecTV.

Also though, even if you and other folks are watching vis-a-vis Comcast, still might be good to hear your thoughts as to whether with the HDR10 signal, which is ST 2084 based HDR (display referred absolute EOTF) if you feel viewing in normal bright 'living room' conditions is difficult....or not, to carry on with the thought presented in the last sentence – “It will be interesting to see if HDR broadcast can succeed in the average living room which is typically not light-controlled…” from this article.. http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/4k-vs-201604104279.htm

Success or not?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Then I watch thee actual match from this morning which I’ve recorded (alas, not in HDR, but beggars can’t be choosers)

Geoff (and PeterTHX), I fear the worst for thee Arsenal, as the boys were quite solemn on the ride this a.m. I sense demise . Welp, there’s always men and women’s alpine skiing with the winter Olympics coming up soon I hope.

[LordoftheRings]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAZS...ature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDZj...ature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2Zb...ature=youtu.be

[PaulGo]

The 4K HDR broadcast on Comcast look extremely good. The ice skating competition was well lit and looked good even with the room lights on. The Opening Ceremony also looked fantastic. In the Opening Ceremony there was much more variations in lighting with many special effects. Again it looked good to me even with the room lights on.

[Nothing371]

Originally Posted by PaulGo

The 4K HDR broadcast on Comcast look extremely good. The ice skating competition was well lit and looked good even with the room lights on. The Opening Ceremony also looked fantastic. In the Opening Ceremony there was much more variations in lighting with many special effects. Again it looked good to me even with the room lights on.

How are you getting 4K HDR broadcast through Comcast? All we have is 720p for well over a decade from Comcast.

[PaulGo]

Originally Posted by Nothing371

How are you getting 4K HDR broadcast through Comcast? All we have is 720p for well over a decade from Comcast.

You need the XG1v4 DVR box which is 4K capable. Aside from NBC 1080i broadcast Comcast has the Olympics on VOD with portions available in 4K HDR.

[Ernest Rister]

My 2016 55" Sony 4k HDR/3D set showed up late Thursday...calibrating the thing has been...well...a learning experience. I've been messing with the settings for hours the last couple of days, even went to YouTube to see tutorials on the settings because I was getting very lost in the weeds. My calibration disc was intended for HDTV, this is a whole new journey down the tech rabbit hole.

Anyway, watched a few scenes from Empire of the Sun last night and was floored. It looks better than it did in cinemas. Also watched a few segments from Star Wars Episode IV, Fantasia/2000, and tested the 3D with the opening moments of Fantastic Beasts and The Little Mermaid, then rounded things out with some streaming 4K content from Netflix (Planet Earth II, Dave Chappelle).

Really happy so far, although I'm sure I'll still be fiddling with it for days to come.

Next up...a 4k/3D blu-ray player...I only have two 4k HDR discs (Guardians Vol. 2 and Dunkirk), so I'm in no particular hurry, maybe by June.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by PaulGo

The 4K HDR broadcast on Comcast look extremely good. The ice skating competition was well lit and looked good even with the room lights on. The Opening Ceremony also looked fantastic. In the Opening Ceremony there was much more variations in lighting with many special effects. Again it looked good to me even with the room lights on.

Excellent.
One last specific question, although I feel you’ve already intuitively answered it with your comments above , but to be crystal clear for the record -
Did most scenes show the bulk of the HDR image to appear very dark?

Please, just a yes or no answer will do to ^ , as I’m looking to see if I can make a point here, not contradicting you or other Blu-ray.com readers of this thread in the process, but to the previously ST 2084 based HDR misguided.

[PaulGo]

No, but I wonder if that was because it was converted from HLG. Another variable is my 65" Sony 850C. I have 7 4K HDR Blu-ray movies and I have never felt that any of these movies were too dark.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by PaulGo

No, but I wonder if that was because it was converted from HLG. Another variable is my 65" Sony 850C. I have 7 4K HDR Blu-ray movies and I have never felt that any of these movies were too dark.

Good to know!
Point being, I’ve heard that in the past on other websites sometimes a reference has been cited as an expert account on aspects of HDR and WCG. So last year around this time, I copied said article (from Light Illusion) and have taken a screenshot of the paragraph which at the time I felt somewhat scared or turned off a lot of HDR enthusiasts as to the viewing feasibility of ST 2084 based HDR content with its assertions –



I’m quite happy that thee above ^ didn’t ultimately turn out to be much of an issue of importance at all for you (nor perhaps many others?, as I haven’t checked other forums or the media journalists for opinions with regards to their viewing impressions) in enjoying the HDR10 Comcast imagery of the winter Olympics so far.

P.S.
Not only happy for you, but also happy for me, as on a Saturday or Sunday afternoon in our family room, I’m far too lazy and tired out to ‘very carefully control my environmental light level’.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by PaulGo

....I assume down the road when sports broadcasts will be live it will be in HLG.

CBS sports is embracing it….
https://www.sportsvideo.org/2018/02/...-pebble-beach/

[PaulGo]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

CBS sports is embracing it….
https://www.sportsvideo.org/2018/02/...-pebble-beach/

This somewhat remind me of the transitioning for SD to HD. And going back to the good old days from BW to Color.