HDR Discussion Thread

[Geoff D]

I honestly meant no snark in that one, I meant every single word of it when replying to ray. The upscaling is the least of the issues you're having IMO.

[IntelliVolume]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I honestly meant no snark in that one, I meant every single word of it when replying to ray. The upscaling is the least of the issues you're having IMO.

So what IS the primary issue I'm having, as you see it?

I already stated that the first disc I watched on the set -- the Wonder Woman Blu-ray -- looked fantastic, as did (for the most part) the Jason Bourne Blu-ray (both 1080p signals being upscaled by the TV to 4K, if everything is working right). Thus far, only ONE older Blu didn't look great (but was still encoded at 1080p to be sent to the Samsung).

[Geoff D]

As I said, the settings are key and note that I'm talking about lower quality content here, what your UHDs look like is irrelevant to what a BD looks like (TVs often store different settings for different picture modes anyway). Dialling in the correct brightness, contrast and sharpness can help to make poor content look less shitty, and the more processing stuff that's ladled on the more it just amps up flaws in the material.

[IntelliVolume]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

As I said, the settings are key and note that I'm talking about lower quality content here, what your UHDs look like is irrelevant to what a BD looks like (TVs often store different settings for different picture modes anyway).

I don't OWN a UHD player yet, so I cannot comment as to what a disc will look like yet on my display. All I can do is report what I'm seeing with Blu-rays being played back; that being said, when you say "lower quality content," are you referring to BLU-RAY? I would think that a 1080p source wouldn't look that bad upscaled to 4K if the transfer was done right from the start (my display, in particular, was given high marks for its UHD upscaling engine based on what I have read).

Dialling in the correct brightness, contrast and sharpness can help to make poor content look less shitty, and the more processing stuff that's ladled on the more it just amps up flaws in the material.

Oh I totally understand that -- I have not had a chance to calibrate the set yet, and I am going by default settings for the primary controls like color, brightness, etc. What I HAVE adjusted, based on the rtings review of this TV (as Bob had suggested I do), are some of the Expert Settings that control things like motion smoothing, contrast enhancing, etc.

I can totally vouch for adjustments made to settings having a positive effect on picture quality -- I had my previous Sony SXRD rear projection display adjusted via numerous setup discs and it definitely improved playback performance. As I said, I haven't had a chance to calibrate this new set yet, and I have been looking to get some other primary settings worked out first (such as how the display deals with judder/motion, noise reduction, color spacing, etc.).

It is VERY possible that the blooming noise and grain I saw in dark areas of the picture when watching the Tales From the Hood Blu-ray was from settings such as sharpeness being way too high or the backlighting being too cranked up...

[Geoff D]

Oh, no UHDs, my bad.

What you've got to bear in mind is that not every movie is shot to look the same, every transfer from film to video will not look the same, and not every disc will be encoded to the same level of quality. A modern big-budget production from a major studio looking amazeballs while an indie release of a low-budget horror flick looking rougher is very much par for the course and, as I said, the bigger and better you go with a display the more these discrepancies will stand out. That said, if it's the Shout version you've got of Tales then it looks fookin' lovely judging by the screen caps I've seen of it. Looks like the grain has been rolled off a bit and the encoding isn't outstanding (eh, it's Shout) but damn, I didn't expect that.

[IntelliVolume]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Oh, no UHDs, my bad.

No. So far I have only been playing Blu-rays (and watching cable on the other HDMI input of the TV, which looks fine for what it is: 1080i >4K); I haven't even gotten around to watching a DVD on this set yet (which will be handled by my Oppo BDP-83 upscaling the DVD first to 1080p, which it does beautifully, and then the TV upscaling THAT to 4K...I am unsure of what the results will ultimately look like). I mentioned that I was watching only Blu-rays at this point a few times already.

What you've got to bear in mind is that not every movie is shot to look the same, every transfer from film to video will not look the same, and not every disc will be encoded to the same level of quality. A modern big-budget production from a major studio looking amazeballs while an indie release of a low-budget horror flick looking rougher is very much par for the course and, as I said, the bigger and better you go with a display the more these discrepancies will stand out. That said, if it's the Shout version you've got of Tales then it looks fookin' lovely judging by the screen caps I've seen of it.

No, I totally get that -- and I was able to see some discrepencies between shitty Blu-ray transfers and great ones (and the same for DVDs) on my previous set. I completely accept and understand that. What I'm saying here is that on at least one disc I have played thus far -- yes, the Scream Factory (which I also mentioned several times) version of the Tales From the Hood Blu-ray -- the quality looked pretty shitty on the new Samsung as compared to playing it on my previous Sony SXRD TV (and even on my 40" LG LCD in the bedroom)...I couldn't understand this, because I always thought the picture looked friggin' lovely (as you put it) on those other TVs. The ONLY thing I can chalk this up to was the increase in screen size or the fact that my new display hasn't been adjusted yet (for sharpness, contrast, et al).

[IntelliVolume]

Geoff,

Would you be able to help me with some settings on my TV if I provided the parameters that need to be dialed in (outside of setting the stuff like color, sharpness, contrast, etc., which I will set with setup discs)? I can list each one, and you can tell me what you think they should be adjusted to...it would be a massive help...

[Geoff D]

That's the thing, you've got yourself one of them Sammysungs and I'm not au fait with their stuff at all. If it was a Sony I'd have written out an essay already but it'd be a case of the blind leading the blind (and that's not snark) in this case.

[IntelliVolume]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

That's the thing, you've got yourself one of them Sammysungs and I'm not au fait with their stuff at all. If it was a Sony I'd have written out an essay already but it'd be a case of the blind leading the blind (and that's not snark) in this case.

I understand, but I'm referring to BASIC 4K TV control stuff that you may be able to help me with -- like what to keep color spacing on, the backlighting, some enhancement controls...things like that...

If I provide the parameters, can you at least attempt to offer some opinions?

[LordoftheRings]

We need more HDR10 Panasonic OLED TVs in the USA.
Toshiba, Sharp, TCL, Hitachi, Sony, LG and Samsung is not good enough.
We need the best, the best tests, the best blacks, the best Kuros; the Panasonic OLED HDR TVs, period.

I see nothing, I hear nothing, no Panny OLED HDR TVs here in the USA. The best is not in the West.

[IntelliVolume]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

We need more HDR10 Panasonic OLED TVs in the USA.
Toshiba, Sharp, TCL, Hitachi, Sony, LG and Samsung is not good enough.
We need the best, the best tests, the best blacks, the best Kuros; the Panasonic OLED HDR TVs, period.

I haven't seen ANY OLED TVs (or 4K TVs at all, currently) from Toshiba, Panasonic, Sharp or Hitachi in the US...are they available in Canada?

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by IntelliVolume

I understand, but I'm referring to BASIC 4K TV control stuff that you may be able to help me with -- like what to keep color spacing on, the backlighting, some enhancement controls...things like that...

If I provide the parameters, can you at least attempt to offer some opinions?

Colour space should be on auto if available, but I've no idea about any quirks the sammy may have, as for backlighting I've got no idea about what would be more beneficial even if you gave me all the settings to choose from. Other enhancements are quite simple, turn them all off and start from there. Strip the image down to its bare bones and you'll usually see what a TV's really made of.

[JohnAV]

We need help, the thread is broken, we need help!

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[IntelliVolume]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Colour space should be on auto if available, but I've no idea about any quirks the sammy may have, as for backlighting I've got no idea about what would be more beneficial even if you gave me all the settings to choose from. Other enhancements are quite simple, turn them all off and start from there. Strip the image down to its bare bones and you'll usually see what a TV's really made of.

Yes, color space has an AUTO setting available (which I set it to) but out of the box I believe this was set to NATIVE...it definitely should be set to AUTO?

You can give me an idea of what should be turned off or what something should be adjusted to if I provide you the kinds of parameters offered by the Samsung...

[IntelliVolume]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

We need help, the thread is broken, we need help!

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No, it's not "broken" -- I will take these discussions privately with Geoff if preferred, but my point was to definitely get to HDR settings in the TV, which this thread is all about (I thought).

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by IntelliVolume

I haven't seen ANY OLED TVs (or 4K TVs at all, currently) from Toshiba, Panasonic, Sharp or Hitachi in the US...are they available in Canada?

OLED no, HDR yes.

Panny OLED in Canada and Europe, yes...with HDR10+ support.
And of course Panny 4K Blu-ray players supporting both HDR10+ and Dolby Vision, and HLG, all over America...in New York...with Robert. ...Canada, Japan, China, India, UK, Germany, Portugal, Italy, France, all over Europe.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by IntelliVolume

No, it's not "broken" -- I will take these discussions privately with Geoff if preferred, but my point was to definitely get to HDR settings in the TV, which this thread is all about (I thought).

Per OP (bruceames) - A place for discussing HDR10, Dolby Vision, how they compare, info articles, why you love it or hate it, and everything HDR.

You already have a thread in Displays -> LCD - Just Set Up the NU8000 -- Many Queries...

[LordoftheRings]

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[IntelliVolume]

Here's an idea of what I mean regarding getting some general settings help...

in GENERAL SETTINGS, rtings suggested:

The first thing we did was to turn off all of the 'Eco Solution' settings since we didn't want the backlight level to change during our calibration. This is recommended if you don't want the brightness of the TV to change automatically depending on the room brightness.

Okay -- so that's the first thing I did, as well...turned off ALL ECO settings.

Then, they talked about BACKLIGHT:

A 'Backlight' setting of 11 gave us a luminosity closest to our calibration target of 100 cd/m². Changing the backlight setting has no impact on picture quality and you should adjust this depending on the brightness of your room.

This is where I think I need some additional help -- I understand that this is going to be dependent on room conditions of an individual user, but this is my FIRST time using a large-screen LCD and I don't know a lot about backlighting. I AM getting a weird spot-like formation across the screen when it's very dark during certain times (like when the TV and Blu-ray player are doing the HDMI handshake to find the right resolution)...as if you could SEE the LEDs shining out from the edges of the screen. I thought this was because the backlighting setting was cranked nearly all the way up...is this so?

Here's what they said about NOISE REDUCTION (Samsung calls it something else) and a little about the frame insertion:

We turned off the 'Digital Clean View', but if you are watching some older low-resolution content, you may want to set it on to make the content smoother and with fewer compression artifacts. For our calibration, we left the 'Auto Motion Plus Settings' Off, but if you like the Soap Opera Effect, 'Auto Motion Plus Settings' is the setting that is related to the motion interpolation.

For Digital Clean View -- i.e. noise reduction -- I left this on AUTO, but I don't know what AUTO actually does when applying NR. The Auto Motion Plus setting I left OFF for now because we didn't like the effect...

Here's what they said about LOCAL DIMMING and CONTRAST ENHANCER:

We set the 'Local Dimming' to 'Low' for the calibration (usually, we turn it off for the calibration, but it is not possible for the NU8000). Like most Samsung edge-lit TVs the local dimming feature is not very effective, so we recommend you use whichever setting you prefer. 'Contrast Enhancer' was left turned off since we don't want to add any extra image processing to keep the content as faithful to the original intent.

I don't know ANYTHING about LOCAL DIMMING; what does this actually do/control? I left this on LOW for now. As for CONTRAST ENHANCER, I left this OFF...

They said some more about the frame insertion here:

Judder control and Motion interpolation (Soap Opera Effect)

The 'Auto Motion Plus Settings' is the menu that controls the motion interpolation and the way the TV deals with judder. This is also known as the 'Soap Opera Effect'. If it is turned off, the TV won't be able to remove judder from any sources (Blu-ray players, native app or cable boxes). To get the best judder-free movie experience you need to set the 'Auto Motion Plus' setting to 'Custom', set the 'Blur Reduction' to 0, set 'Judder Reduction' to 0 and leave the 'LED Clear Motion' unticked. This won't add the soap opera effect.

The 'Auto Motion Plus Settings' also control the NU8000's motion interpolation. Since it has a 120Hz panel, it can interpolate lower frame rate content up to 120Hz. To do so, set 'Auto Motion Plus' to 'Custom' and increase the 'De-judder' and 'De-blur' sliders. The 'De-judder' slider affects 30 fps or lower content, and the 'De-blur' slider affects 60fps content. For both sliders, you can adjust the setting to your liking to add more or less soap opera effect.


Any thoughts?

They said this about GAMMA:

The gamma setting adjustment was set to 2 since it was the closest to our calibration goal. The TV will automatically set the Gamma type automatically depending on the content. You should only adjust the gamma curve with the slider (plus or minus) if you find there is black crush or if dark scenes are not deep enough.


I just left the "slider" they talk about on ZERO (the middle); the TV seems to switch gamma values based on incoming signals, so I just left it...

Here's what they said about the aforementioned COLOR SPACE:

In the 'Color space' setting, it is preferable to leave it to 'Auto'. When set to auto, the color space changes to match the type of content you are watching automatically. Setting the Color Space to 'Custom' will allow calibrating the TV for SDR content. Normally we do not recommend doing this as the TV is already fairly accurate out of the box. If you set the Color Space to 'Custom' you will have to adjust the settings each time you change from SDR to HDR.

Now...out of the box, the TV was set to NATIVE for COLOR SPACE (which the review doesn't mention). I switched this to AUTO, but is NATIVE actually correct?

Finally, here's what they said about the HDR settings for the TV:

HDR Settings


For watching HDR content via an HDMI connection, it is important to set the 'HDMI UHD Color' on for each HDMI input that will receive the HDR content. This will permit the HDMI port to transmit all the bandwidth needed for HDR and tells the TV to expect a 10-bit color signal on that input. If the 'HDMI UHD Color' is not turned on, some devices will not detect the NU8000 as being compatible with HDR. For HDR content, it is also preferable to set the 'Backlight' to maximum, set 'Local Dimming' to 'High' and set the 'Color Space Settings' to 'Auto'.

I am lost here as a novice to HDR; I am supposed to have this mode ENGAGED if I don't have a UHD player yet?

I'm not touching anything about the WHITE BALANCE settings...

[IntelliVolume]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Per OP (bruceames) - A place for discussing HDR10, Dolby Vision, how they compare, info articles, why you love it or hate it, and everything HDR.

You already have a thread in Displays -> LCD - Just Set Up the NU8000 -- Many Queries...

I was getting to my questions regarding HDR...