HDR Discussion Thread - Page 323 - Blu-ray Forum

LordoftheRings · 08-24-2018, 07:20 AM

Have a safe trip.

mrtickleuk · 08-24-2018, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrownianMotion

They are sending out mixed signals then. On the one hand they're still only showing private demonstrations which could signify that it's not ready, on the other hand they are claiming that HDR10+ content will be released within the next few months.

If (big if) HDR10+ content really is on the way soon, then surely they could provide some demos for the public to try out on their TVs.

It's even worse than that - they keep on putting out press releases, and the first of these was in 2017, with the ludicrous claim that, as of now, Amazon is (present tense) streaming HDR10+ for all of their content.

This is NOT a mistake! They keep repeating this audacious claim! Yet no Amazon customer has ever seen the HDR10+ logo which should be appearing.

They could, and should, have been splashing lots of downloadable demos for a YEAR now. Either they want people to embrace their format, or they don't.

avs commenter · 08-24-2018, 09:13 PM

I don't really understand what demo HDR10+ would even appeal to.

A/V enthusiasts would rather have DV as it's better (on paper) and many major releases are mastered in this format for theaters. So you are getting the more accurate director's vision.

The casual viewer won't care about HDR10+ or likely be able to tell the difference between it and reg HDR

Not to mention, HDR10+ so far behind right now, that unless they make it available by firmware for existing TV's and players, I don't see how it can ever make much of an impact

RockyIII · 08-25-2018, 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by avs commenter

I don't really understand what demo HDR10+ would even appeal to.

A/V enthusiasts would rather have DV as it's better (on paper) and many major releases are mastered in this format for theaters. So you are getting the more accurate director's vision.

The casual viewer won't care about HDR10+ or likely be able to tell the difference between it and reg HDR

Not to mention, HDR10+ so far behind right now, that unless they make it available by firmware for existing TV's and players, I don't see how it can ever make much of an impact

It's called marketing gimmick

PaulGo · 08-25-2018, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockyIII

It's called marketing gimmick

It's called a relatively free alternative which can produce excellent results and could dominate if Dolby does not lower its licensing fees.

My equipment is not capable of either format so I am looking at this from a pure business perspective.

RockyIII · 08-25-2018, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaulGo

My equipment is not capable of either format .

Plasma?

PaulGo · 08-25-2018, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Plasma?

Sony 850C with HDR only.

RockyIII · 08-25-2018, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaulGo

Sony 850C with HDR only.

Must be a very good quality panel if you are hanging on to it.
I just don't think that HDR10+ will have real-life applications unless they move quick and I mean QUICK by offering firmware upgrades to all current models and a vast number of titles in HDR10+, and even then, I doubt it will take up

PaulGo · 08-25-2018, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Must be a very good quality panel if you are hanging on to it.
I just don't think that HDR10+ will have real-life applications unless they move quick and I mean QUICK by offering firmware upgrades to all current models and a vast number of titles in HDR10+, and even then, I doubt it will take up

Yes I have the 75", 65" and 55" versions of the 850C. After testing all the settings I set them up to what I found most pleasing to me. (Since I used to be a broadcast engineer many years ago I have always been tinkering with TV settings). I am very pleased with the way the 850C handles HDR material via Blu-ray, Netflix, Vudu, and YouTube. As I previously stated it will take a year two before a valid verdict can be reached on the success or failure of HDR10+. My previous large sets were DLP. I do enjoy 3D and two of the three DLP sets I had could do 3D plus the 850Cs also can do 3D.

mrtickleuk · 08-25-2018, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockyIII

I just don't think that HDR10+ will have real-life applications unless they move quick and I mean QUICK by offering firmware upgrades to all current models and a vast number of titles in HDR10+,

That would have been the situation if they were asking people to choose between HDR10 and HDR10Plus - but they are not. It's claimed to be backwards compatible. So, all that will happen is that HDR10 content will vanish and be replaced with HDR10Plus content.

Those that can only view HDR10 will not be affected negatively at all; those can view view HDR10Plus but not dolby vision will get a better experience than HDR10. Everyone's a winner - or rather, no-one is a loser by this and some people are happier.

That's why it'll happen, if it happens - the automatic process for generating the dynamic metadata has been posted on this thread and for the content creators, it's merely a tick ("check") in a box in the software. There's no major reason not to tick the box.

RockyIII · 08-25-2018, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrtickleuk

That would have been the situation if they were asking people to choose between HDR10 and HDR10Plus - but they are not. It's claimed to be backwards compatible. So, all that will happen is that HDR10 content will vanish and be replaced with HDR10Plus content.

Those that can only view HDR10 will not be affected negatively at all; those can view view HDR10Plus but not dolby vision will get a better experience than HDR10. Everyone's a winner - or rather, no-one is a loser by this and some people are happier.

That's why it'll happen, if it happens - the automatic process for generating the dynamic metadata has been posted on this thread and for the content creators, it's merely a tick ("check") in a box in the software. There's no major reason not to tick the box.

Then why all the heated comments about DV vs HDR10+?

DisplayCalNoob · 08-25-2018, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Then why all the heated comments about DV vs HDR10+?

The debate really isn't about DV versus +, but + versus time. Samsung made the mistake of suggesting that + would be ready for mass consumption or they were trying to slow down the studio, stream giant adoption rate of DV. Like I said, the market doesn't wait.

So obviously dynamic metadata/tone mapping and the implementation requires a lot more time than two years. ICtCp needs to be added to +, display calibration procedures needs to be created. There is a lot of work ahead for their engineers.

It hasn't been a smooth ride for Dolby either.

Stacey Spears and Pruitt don't make comments on the progress of +.

Geoff D · 08-25-2018, 08:50 PM

Why does + need ICtCp?

LordoftheRings · 08-25-2018, 08:53 PM

We need better HDR TVs and Dolby Vision front projectors. ...And all in 3D/4K too.
We need a newer and better Blu-ray disc format too.
We need Disney to get on with the program.

Agent Kay · 08-25-2018, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Then why all the heated comments about DV vs HDR10+?

Fanboys justifying a purchase.

LordoftheRings · 08-25-2018, 09:12 PM

Age?

Agent Kay · 08-25-2018, 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

Age?

Of?

Geoff D · 08-25-2018, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agent Kay

Of?

Ultron?

Agent Kay · 08-25-2018, 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Ultron?

Geoff D · 08-25-2018, 10:39 PM

I was gonna go with "Brother Numsie!" in reply to the gif but the gif is from Last Action Hero, isn't it?

08-24-2018, 07:20 AM	#6441
LordoftheRings Special Member Top contributor Member since:Mar 2010 Location:Portishead ♫	Have a safe trip.

08-24-2018, 09:13 PM	#6443
avs commenter Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Apr 2018 Trading Score:8	I don't really understand what demo HDR10+ would even appeal to. A/V enthusiasts would rather have DV as it's better (on paper) and many major releases are mastered in this format for theaters. So you are getting the more accurate director's vision. The casual viewer won't care about HDR10+ or likely be able to tell the difference between it and reg HDR Not to mention, HDR10+ so far behind right now, that unless they make it available by firmware for existing TV's and players, I don't see how it can ever make much of an impact

08-25-2018, 08:50 PM	#6453
Geoff D Blu-ray Emperor Top contributor Member since:Feb 2009 Location:Swanage, Engerland 4K collection:1348 Blu-ray collection:2525 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:33	Why does + need ICtCp?

08-25-2018, 08:53 PM	#6454
LordoftheRings Special Member Top contributor Member since:Mar 2010 Location:Portishead ♫	We need better HDR TVs and Dolby Vision front projectors. ...And all in 3D/4K too. We need a newer and better Blu-ray disc format too. We need Disney to get on with the program.

08-25-2018, 09:12 PM	#6456
LordoftheRings Special Member Top contributor Member since:Mar 2010 Location:Portishead ♫	Age?

08-25-2018, 10:39 PM	#6460
Geoff D Blu-ray Emperor Top contributor Member since:Feb 2009 Location:Swanage, Engerland 4K collection:1348 Blu-ray collection:2525 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:33	I was gonna go with "Brother Numsie!" in reply to the gif but the gif is from Last Action Hero, isn't it?

Best 4K Blu-ray Deals