HDR Discussion Thread

[DanBa]

Originally Posted by puddy77

Qualcomm says their new Snapdragon 855 is capable of both recording and playback of 4k60p HDR10+ (besides 5G, HDR gaming, and other upgrades). And that one phone will have that functionality in 2019. Attached are screencaps from their keynote livestream.

Windows PC based on the new Qualcomm Snapdragon 8cx SoC will also support all existing operational HDR formats (namely HDR10, HEVC HLG HDR, VP9-HLG / VP9-PQ YouTube HDR, HDR10+ [2nd Gen HDR] and Dolby Vision [2nd Gen HDR]).
https://www.qualcomm.com/products/sn...mpute-platform
ww.youtube.com/watch?v=T3dwEpEsJiI&t=34m32s



PC with the Snapdragon 8cx can connect up to two external 4K HDR monitors.



The Snapdragon 8cx, which is the most powerful Snapdragon SoC to date, is expected to begin shipping in commercial devices in Q3 of 2019.

[mrtickleuk]

Originally Posted by Waboman

I like Pacific Rim. Going off the top of my head, Cloverfield has to be up there.

Alien.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by ray0414

2019 Prediction:


Godzilla: King of the Monsters will the THE HDR disc to own in 2019. It may even end up being the best action movie of the year and probably the best monster movie of all time. I'm more excited for this than Avengers 4 to be honest.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B12R...ature=youtu.be

So....much.....hyperbole.....Okay BluRayHiDef, you've had your fun, now return ray's account back to him please.

*Awaits inevitable Penton post where he shows he was bezzie mates with Godzilla*

[MechaGodzilla]

Originally Posted by ray0414

In your opinion, what are some of the best monster movies of all time? I just think most of them are truly not great. I think the new Godzilla can go to number 1 simply because of the outstanding vusuals and realism, along with feirce action. We'll have to see how it plays out, but it may be in a league of its own because of the visuals. This almost looks like a Michael Bay movie where you may need am oxygen mask just to get through it :P

Some that come to mind are...

• Nosferatu (1922)
• Frankenstein (1931)
• King Kong (1933)
• The Bride of Frankenstein (1935)
• Godzilla (1954)
• Them! (1954)
• Jaws (1975)
• Alien (1979)
• Nosferatu the Vampyre (1979)
• The Thing (1982)
• Aliens (1986)
• Jurassic Park (1993)
• Gamera: Guardian of the Universe (1995)
• Gamera 2: Attack of Legion (1996)
• Gamera 3: Revenge of Iris (1999)

I think these represent some of the best the "genre" has to offer. Not just good of their kind, but great films period.

Originally Posted by ray0414

When I think monster movie, I think more along the lines of giant city destroyers. So "big monsters", and no I don't mean the rock as a big monster :P Pacific Rim is definitely up there, I'd say it's good but not sure it's great.

If we're talking giant monsters exclusively, that obviously brings the number down. But even so, King Kong '33, Godzilla '54 and the '90s Gamera trilogy have set the bar high. I can only speak for myself, but expecting it to be as good or better (!) than these would just be setting myself up for disappointment. I'd rather go in with lower expectations and let the film surprise me.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

https://www.tmz.com/2018/12/10/tom-c...enes-maverick/
“Tom already shot scenes in San Diego and Nevada”

addendum to TMZ’s ^ sentence -
And for sure in Santa Clarita and Pxxxxxxx and San Pedro as documented on this thread.

P.S.
Note to locals in the Tahoe area, the respective forested park will remain closed today and tomorrow due to the filming.

^ Just about here –



Filming wrapped ^, restoration/clean-up in the park today. Note to environmentalists and ornithologists: the non-toxic smoke used for the scene(s) reportedly dispersed without a problem.

[Penton-Man]

As a short, quick aside (since I know we have our share of bicycle riders who read this thread), South Lake Tahoe has been in the recent news also for something else –

Introducing the 2019 Host Cities | Amgen Tour of California - YouTube

[Penton-Man]

An example of why everything you read on the internet is not accurate (and, just because someone/something is ‘credentialed’ (sfgate) doesn’t make them right) - "and ride a motorcycle down what appears to be an airplane runway...."https://m.sfgate.com/movies/article/...k-13454608.php

That ^ runway and abbreviated footage is not from Lake Tahoe airport, but actually from the naval base in Coronado - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...e#post15634835

Wide angle shot from opposite perspective showing moto rider, camera chase car and F/A-18 Super Hornet - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...s#post15813041

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

So....much.....hyperbole.....Okay BluRayHiDef, you've had your fun, now return ray's account back to him please.

*Awaits inevitable Penton post where he shows he was bezzie mates with Godzilla*

Sorry, no affiliation whatsoever, as all dem monsters, no matter what the species, scare me -

Monster Mash - YouTube

I’ll defer all that monster stuff to you guys.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

For this testing, experts from the BBC, CBC, IRT and RAI had prepared the measurements, while participants from NRK, RTS and ZDF assisted, especially with the subjective evaluation. The testing followed the requirements expressed in EBU Tech 3320 and included measuring the monitors’ luminance ranges, uniformity, black level, color gamut, contrast ratio, transfer function, grey scale reproduction, delay time, and more. Pixel defects, image sticking, treatment of illegal signals, etc. were verified subjectively. The results showed – as expected – that currently available professional HDR-capable monitors differ significantly in several aspects. This is not necessarily a bad thing. As the differences tend to be accompanied by differences in price, depending on the application, trade-offs may be made. For example, the measured video delay varied between roughly 20 and 60 ms (2160p, HLG, top left quadrant). This may be critical in certain (live, camera-operated) use cases, but irrelevant for simple post-production setups.

follow-up to last ^ September's post ->
To help minimize the risk of screen image retention, the EBU has updated its R 129 recommendation, which is now published at version 2.0 -

https://tech.ebu.ch/docs/r/r129.pdf

[gkolb]

Originally Posted by DanBa

Windows PC based on the new Qualcomm Snapdragon 8cx SoC will also support all existing operational HDR formats (namely HDR10, HEVC HLG HDR, VP9-HLG / VP9-PQ YouTube HDR, HDR10+ [2nd Gen HDR] and Dolby Vision [2nd Gen HDR]).
https://www.qualcomm.com/products/sn...mpute-platform
ww.youtube.com/watch?v=T3dwEpEsJiI&t=34m32s

[Show spoiler]

PC with the Snapdragon 8cx can connect up to two external 4K HDR monitors.

[Show spoiler]

The Snapdragon 8cx, which is the most powerful Snapdragon SoC to date, is expected to begin shipping in commercial devices in Q3 of 2019.

If that laptop is a typical system for this silicon, then there's no disk drive and all the content would be streaming?

[DisplayCalNoob]

Originally Posted by Waboman

Good question. What are the top 5 monster movies? And are we talking only about giant, city destroying monsters? Or like the shark in Jaws? What about horror monsters? Because then the hands down best monster movie is John Carpenter's The Thing.

Yeah, when I think of monsters, what comes to mind, is both classic horror monsters and Godzilla, Kong, not just 100 story tall reptiles.

[DanBa]

Originally Posted by gkolb

If that laptop is a typical system for this silicon, then there's no disk drive and all the content would be streaming?

A portable Windows PC based on Snapdragon 8cx with USB 3.1 connectivity can interface with an external UHD BD drive.
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...&postcount=108
https://www.qualcomm.com/media/docum...duct-brief.pdf

[DisplayCalNoob]

Is it possible Dolby had to MEL for UHD disc support and the FEL was affecting bitrates? And the FEL would could be saved for streaming.

[Geoff D]

But streaming is based around a single-layer 10-bit encoded version anyway, it doesn't require an enhancement layer be it 'full' or otherwise. Most DV discs from Paramount and Universal have quite sizeable enhancement layers, as do StudioCanal's recent wave of DV UHDs, it's more Warners and Sony who persist with the metadata-only enhancement layers and 4000-nit base layer encodes - which neither Par, Uni or SC support as they master the HDR10 layers to 1000 nits.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

This is the Top Gun thread; Maverick, fighter jets, motorcycles, Tom Cruise looking half his age, HDR screens and screams and prayers, ...and robots.

And monsters and Snapdragons and guys named MEL and FEL and South Lake Tahoe <- from which I think it would be a nice touch to include Tom riding a snowmobile for a change.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Waboman

Jeeves, fetch my beer hat and call PM.

This is the time of the year for glogg –
https://www.thespruceeats.com/what-i...d-wine-1328739

P.S.
Note to Iceman: PM me your wife’s best recipe.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

....South Lake Tahoe...

Remember TMZ photogs, if you’re heading next to the airport….

[DisplayCalNoob]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

But streaming is based around a single-layer 10-bit encoded version anyway, it doesn't require an enhancement layer be it 'full' or otherwise. Most DV discs from Paramount and Universal have quite sizeable enhancement layers, as do StudioCanal's recent wave of DV UHDs, it's more Warners and Sony who persist with the metadata-only enhancement layers and 4000-nit base layer encodes - which neither Par, Uni or SC support as they master the HDR10 layers to 1000 nits.

So Paramount and Universal, StudioCanal are willing to spend the money on colorist time and FEL.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by DisplayCalNoob

So Paramount and Universal, StudioCanal are willing to spend the money on colorist time and FEL.

The colourists aren't grading DV 'full' enhancement layers, they're grading DV masters at source. The absence/presence of the former has absolutely nothing to do with the latter, the cost of employing a DV colourist doesn't change no matter if the ultimate destination for the content is a single-layer stream, dual-layer MEL disc or dual-layer FEL disc. Whatever happens with how it's encoded to disc is up to the content providers and whatever approach they want to take.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

The colourists aren't grading DV 'full' enhancement layers, they're grading DV masters at source. The absence/presence of the former has absolutely nothing to do with the latter, the cost of employing a DV colourist doesn't change no matter if the ultimate destination for the content is a single-layer stream, dual-layer MEL disc or dual-layer FEL disc. Whatever happens with how it's encoded to disc is up to the content providers and whatever approach they want to take.

Geoff, do you honestly watch in DV when DV is available on UHD, or do you still rather watch in HDR10?