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Old 12-16-2018, 10:29 PM   #7661
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Man, Miles Teller has got the Anthony Daniels thing down like a boss.
 
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Man, Miles Teller has got the Anthony Daniels thing down like a boss.
I'd have to see him in the C-3PO costume first to make that assessment.
 
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Old 12-17-2018, 05:53 PM   #7663
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Lolz!!! I got Star Wars on the brain, I know what I meant to type (heck, I'm a huge ER fan) but out came what you see above. Post will be left unedited for further lolery
 
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Old 12-18-2018, 02:41 AM   #7664
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To top that, as far as I understand, 7 is also OTT:

"The dual-stream solution includes two video streams, known as the Base Layer and the Enhancement Layer.

The Base Layer shall conform to the requirements of one of the following Interoperability Points: the DASH-IF IOP Main Interoperability Point, the DASH-IF IOP UHD 4k Interoperability point [i.e. Dolby Vision Profile 4 base layer] or the DASH-IF IOP UHD HDR10 Interoperability point [i.e. Dolby Vision Profile 7 base layer]."

https://dashif.org/docs/DASH-IF-IOP-v4.2-clean.htm


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They're similar in that, the both of them carry a HDR10 base layer, the difference is the IPT/ICtCp color model support available to Profile 4 by way of string changes.

The DV CMU does add some IPT/ICtCp color model benefits to UHD disc content even though all disc content is YCbCr.
Way over my head.
 
Old 12-18-2018, 03:19 AM   #7665
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Way over my head.
Hey, I wish I knew what the hell Geoff D and PeterTHX were talking about above, and gkolb already lost me on the last page with that battle in parts unknown (to me).

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Old 12-18-2018, 03:24 AM   #7666
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Way over my head.
Salty, more my speed - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...w#post15701661
 
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Old 12-18-2018, 03:27 AM   #7667
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to help make the motion picture more authentic.
speaking of which, with regard to another - http://www.digitalcinemareport.com/a...n#.XBhxH1xKiUk
 
Old 12-18-2018, 03:29 AM   #7668
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For uncompressed video. Any UHD BluRay disc connection?
Connection as a prerequisite for Ultra HD BD adoption.? Not necessarily.
 
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A Dolby consumer oriented space is opening next week in Soho (NYC).
https://soho.dolby.com/
 
Old 12-18-2018, 03:55 AM   #7670
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I am once again getting confused by how much shadow detail ought to be visible in HDR. Since I started watching UHD Blu-rays 4 months ago I’ve had trouble working out what the right settings should be or what profiles to use.

I initially watched HDR10 titles in default “HDR” mode with standard settings (OLED light 100, Contrast 100, Brightness 50, colour 55, all processing/interpolation off save for “Dynamic contrast” on “low”). This looked fine, however there were many instances in films where shots that were supposed to be black (such as the background of end credit frames or fade outs to black) would be a letterboxed 2.39:1 dark grey. In most films black would actually be black in the background of credits, save for some weird frames which stood out. What’s worse was the banding and artefacting, like dodgy-looking tonemapping in the sanctum scene from Infinity War or the awful banding in the bar entrance scene near the beginning of La La Land which even had flickering grey letterbox bars. Fade-ins from black like the very start of Harry Potter 3 would have a sudden visible jump to grey rather than a smooth transition, and I thought that maybe the level for just above black was too high, so I turned brightness down by 1 to 49 and the grey frames were now properly “black”. The problem is that now dark scenes had slightly more posterised blacks and less visible dark details such as hairs and textures which can be seen when brightness is raised. What I assume should be gradients from dark into shadow, like dark hair, appeared more as solid grey jarring against solid black.


After some frustration I decided to try forcing Dolby Vision instead and the initial impressions were better, the beforementioned scenes with banding or flickering looked fine without the black crush from needing to lower the brightness to 49, and “black” frames were the same colour as the letterbox bars. It was a sort of “set and forget” solution, but there was a strange problem where the entire screen’s black wasn’t actually black but was a very dark ‘dirty’ grey gradient, brightest at the bottom of the screen and only really visible when the entirety of the screen was black in a pitch black room, given that one’s eyes had adjusted. The thing is, this was fixed and made “perfect” black by turning the brightness down by 1... to 49... which had the same “black crush” effect that had occurred in HDR10. I’m confused if this is actually how it’s supposed to look, perhaps I’m being over sensitive to how the film is actually supposed to appear and I’m perceiving it as black crush. The thing is, there are clearly details present on the transfer that are imperceptible in blobs of black and it just looks sort of... wrong? Recently I realised another problem with watching in forced Dolby Vision and it’s the botched mapping of highlights, Harry Potter 4 had really weird blown out clipping and a World Cup scene which quite frankly ‘fudged’ certain character’s faces.

I decided to go back to HDR for HDR10 and the highlights were handled much better, but I noticed some more banding and flickering in solid grey frames which looked like they should have been black (credits) even at 49. Lowering brightness another step feels like too much and there’s a visible loss of detail even in brighter scenes. I’m kind of stuck. I don’t know if the way it looked in HDR was too dark (with regards to black crush/shadow detail), or if the DV wasn’t dark enough. Any suggestions or ideas?
Are those details like hair or textures on clothes, which are there in the image, actually supposed to be seen?
 
Old 12-18-2018, 01:41 PM   #7671
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HDMI carriage of Dolby Vision / HDR10+ dynamic metadata

As HDMI 2.1 Dynamic HDR is not quite available for the time being, the HDMI carriage of Dolby Vision and HDR10+ dynamic metadata have been implemented in proprietary ways in some HDMI 2.0 products.
https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...XxdHlHkewzO.99

HDR10+ dynamic metadata are transmitted from a UHD Blu-ray player / steaming player to a HDR10+ TV using the HDMI Vendor Specific InfoFrames (VSIF). VSIF has been specified since HDMI 1.4.
Normally, a HDMI 2.0x receiver ignores VSIF: it won’t transfer VSIF or HDR10+ dynamic metadata to a HDR10+ TV. It should be upgraded to forward VSIF, hence HDR10+ capable receiver.
https://hdguru.com/hdr10-looks-for-g...tent-hardware/

Dolby Vision dynamic metadata, transmitted across HDMI (1.4), are embedded into the video signal.
Standard HDMI receivers should be upgraded to forward these embedded metadata, hence Dolby Vision capable receiver.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/465-h...l#post54128881

In the near future, the CTA-861-G/HDMI 2.1 HDR Dynamic Metadata Extended InfoFrame is used for delivering Dolby Vision / HDR10+ / Technicolor HDR dynamic metadata to a Dolby Vision / HDR10+ / Technicolor HDR compliant TV.
https://glenwing.github.io/docs/CTA-861-G.pdf


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Old 12-18-2018, 04:43 PM   #7672
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Seems that China gets the first HDR10+ phone with the Lenovo Z5 Pro GT.
 
Old 12-18-2018, 05:49 PM   #7673
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HDMI carriage of Dolby Vision / HDR10+ dynamic metadata

As HDMI 2.1 Dynamic HDR is not quite available for the time being, the HDMI carriage of Dolby Vision and HDR10+ dynamic metadata have been implemented in proprietary ways in some HDMI 2.0 products.
https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...XxdHlHkewzO.99

HDR10+ dynamic metadata are transmitted from a UHD Blu-ray player / steaming player to a HDR10+ TV using the HDMI Vendor Specific InfoFrames (VSIF). VSIF has been specified since HDMI 1.4.
Normally, a HDMI 2.0x reveiver ignore VSIF: it won’t transfer VSIF or HDR10+ dynamic metadata to a HDR10+ TV. It should be upgraded to forward VSIF, hence HDR10+ capable receiver.
https://hdguru.com/hdr10-looks-for-g...tent-hardware/

Dolby Vision dynamic metadata, transmitted across HDMI (1.4), are embedded into the video signal.
Standard HDMI receivers should be upgraded to forward these embedded metadata, hence Dolby Vision capable receiver.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/465-h...l#post54128881

In the near future, the CTA-861-G/HDMI 2.1 HDR Dynamic Metadata Extended InfoFrame is used for delivering Dolby Vision / HDR10+ / Technicolor HDR dynamic metadata to a Dolby Vision / HDR10+ / Technicolor HDR compliant TV.
https://glenwing.github.io/docs/CTA-861-G.pdf

Dan, I’ve been skeptical about how HDR10+ was being processed over HDMI 2.0b, thanks for the technical explanation.
 
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Penton, they say a picture is worth a thousand words, so Rebel orange flight suits from the Battle of Hoth-

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Old 12-18-2018, 08:59 PM   #7675
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Dolby Vision Display Management metadata is stored in the LSB (least significant bit) of the reconstituted 12-bit 4:2:2 output signal and is bit scrambled so as not to impinge on the picture quality. While it's sent on a frame-by-frame basis, the metadata can be shared across multiple frames if no deviation is detected and can end up as a scene-based metadata package. Each packet is sent three times for the sake of redundancy, once the first one is correctly unwrapped and passes the CRC then the others are discarded.
 
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Old 12-19-2018, 06:30 AM   #7676
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Penton, they say a picture is worth a thousand words, so Rebel orange flight suits from the Battle of Hoth-
They wore those at Hoth but that's the Battle of Yavin.
 
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Dolby Vision Display Management metadata is stored in the LSB (least significant bit) of the reconstituted 12-bit 4:2:2 output signal and is bit scrambled so as not to impinge on the picture quality. While it's sent on a frame-by-frame basis, the metadata can be shared across multiple frames if no deviation is detected and can end up as a scene-based metadata package. Each packet is sent three times for the sake of redundancy, once the first one is correctly unwrapped and passes the CRC then the others are discarded.
Thanks, these are the kind of post that make my day.
 
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Old 12-19-2018, 10:11 PM   #7678
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Dolby Vision Display Management metadata is stored in the LSB (least significant bit) of the reconstituted 12-bit 4:2:2 output signal and is bit scrambled so as not to impinge on the picture quality. While it's sent on a frame-by-frame basis, the metadata can be shared across multiple frames if no deviation is detected and can end up as a scene-based metadata package. Each packet is sent three times for the sake of redundancy, once the first one is correctly unwrapped and passes the CRC then the others are discarded.
frame-by-frame grading-
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...c#post15152714

think dissolves
 
Old 12-19-2018, 10:18 PM   #7679
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Penton, they say a picture is worth a thousand words, so Rebel orange flight suits from the Battle of Hoth-

Attachment 213851
they need a cool fighter squadron insignia patch, like first revealed/identified to der internet here -
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...p#post15654465

P.S.
Even more exclusive, are a batch of Top Gun: Maverick challenge coins that have been made for friends (to the production) and family, which aren’t for sale.
 
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5% of this thread I get it, the rest I dig it.
Well, I miss your Youtube contribution posts, so get with it!
Meanwhile, here’s a behind-the-scenes one for the Christmas spirit….
http://www.passion-pictures.com/usa/.../xmas-hold-em/
 
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