HDR Discussion Thread

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I wouldn’t be so sure about that Geoff. For example, this feedback was not an uncommon comment from some of those in the industry viewing on properly calibrated TV/monitors –

I said more people would get on with it if the transmission quality and/or TV quality & viewing environment was better, not all people. I'm not saying it wasn't borked at source, I'll defer to you on that, but I've also concurred that poor transmission methods and poor TVs are also making it look as hellishly awful as some folks are insisting it is, hence the 'perfect storm' comment. To some, like Kris, it was deemed acceptable enough on what I presume is some rather top-end and rather well set-up gear.

[LordoftheRings]

Kris didn't watch when it was first broadcasted on HBO (episode 3).

Penton brought links that reflect the overall opinion of Game of Thrones' episode 3 on HBO.
It was on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, etc.
It was that particular episode @ that specific streaming time.

People can make whatever of it, they are free to express what they saw, their opinion.
Without seeing it people are like slave boats drifting in an empty ocean of broken dreams.

[Penton-Man]

Agent Kay must be getting bored with all this Game of Thrones discussion.

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

It was on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, etc.

So, to keep Kay interested, I notice today a leaked photo from filming from waaay back months ago has now made it onto social media. It shows not only Tom getting geared up, but a good shot of the back of John’s head –




something the extreme fans don't have (undersurface of the mug shown) -

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Where’s PeterTHX?

still celebrating - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...s#post16387368

or a little hung over like me , where’s Waboman with a home remedy for hurtin head?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Agent Kay must be getting bored with all this Game of Thrones discussion.

and I figure our Star Wars fans might be getting jealous with so much attention given to GoT, ergo…

[gkolb]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

and I figure our Star Wars fans might be getting jealous with so much attention given to GoT, ergo…

Hmpf, that never happened. Mos Eisley didn’t have a Starbucks until 1999.

[Waboman]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

or a little hung over like me

Originally Posted by gkolb

Hmpf, that never happened. Mos Eisley didn’t have a Starbucks until 1999.

Easy now. The PM is coming off an Aunt Beru's blue milk bender.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by gkolb

Hmpf, that never happened. Mos Eisley didn’t have a Starbucks until 1999.

I wouldn’t know one way or thee other, as someone sent me the pic for fun.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Waboman

Easy now. The PM is coming off an Aunt Beru's blue milk bender.

There will be an all England Champions League Final in June, as yet another miracle occurred last night:

Pochettino in tears! Incredible scenes as Spurs reach Champions League final! - YouTube

which didn’t help my hangover at all when we were all screaming when Spurs scored the winning goal in stoppage time at the very end of the match. Maxpower1987, former Blu-ray.com Insider, wherever you are, BIG congrats.

[Penton-Man]

Some Forbes journos mistakenly assume “premium dramas are increasingly being mastered exclusively in very ‘high end’ environments, resulting in……”

^ Not entirely true, as for example, Light Iron (not to reiterate - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...v#post16333382)
is not nearly the only content provider with a ‘Best Buy Room’ -

Cioni built a Quality Assurance (QA) room, fondly called “The Best Buy Room” by clients, which sports six different consumer displays. “They range from $500 to $2,500 models — LCDs, LEDs, plasmas — from all manufacturers,” he says. “We also route phone and iPad displays in there.”

The QA room “introduces the reality of what happens to content when distributors like Time Warner get hold of it,” Cioni explains. “It’s our worst nightmare to deliver a job and months later get a call from a major creative who says they’re watching it at home and it doesn’t look at all like it should. You know you’ve done nothing wrong, and that it’s probably the display device. Displays in the rest of the world are rarely calibrated.”

[Waboman]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

There will be an all England Champions League Final in June

Well, I’ll be gobsmacked. The fish n chips invitational. Say no more, gov’nor. I fancy me a pint(s).

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Waboman

Well, I’ll be gobsmacked. The fish n chips invitational. Say no more, gov’nor. I fancy me a pint(s).

sometimes at other more formal events - https://www.instagram.com/volatuswine/ (check out the ‘41’ pics)

i’ve been known to hang with grape guys also -
https://www.volatuswine.com/photos/9...xq0p3vknowo9dq

variety is the spice of life

[LordoftheRings]

Very old news (no, not on Top Gun 2 or Chuck Norris) ... but on everyone's favorite show ...
• https://www.irishpost.com/entertainm...p-scene-166605

Monday is the grand drama finale, who will be the Ultimate survivor and sitting on the throne's chair (with a Starbucks coffee cup)?

[ray0414]

Vincent Teoh today bought 2 copies of Robin Hood. so an hdr10+ vs DV comparison is coming soon. assuming he's using 2 identical Panasonic tvs.

[DisplayCalNoob]

Posted on Twitter a couple days ago. He has already ran into some issues on Panasonic DV enabled display, when compared to LG OLED.

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

and I figure our Star Wars fans might be getting jealous with so much attention given to GoT, ergo…

It looks to me in that picure Han is about to shoot first?

Btw I for one wish Star Wars never got the attention it has gotten since Disney took over...

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Some Forbes journos mistakenly assume “premium dramas are increasingly being mastered exclusively in very ‘high end’ environments, resulting in……”

^ Not entirely true, as for example, Light Iron (not to reiterate - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...v#post16333382)
is not nearly the only content provider with a ‘Best Buy Room’ -

Cioni built a Quality Assurance (QA) room, fondly called “The Best Buy Room” by clients, which sports six different consumer displays. “They range from $500 to $2,500 models — LCDs, LEDs, plasmas — from all manufacturers,” he says. “We also route phone and iPad displays in there.”

The QA room “introduces the reality of what happens to content when distributors like Time Warner get hold of it,” Cioni explains. “It’s our worst nightmare to deliver a job and months later get a call from a major creative who says they’re watching it at home and it doesn’t look at all like it should. You know you’ve done nothing wrong, and that it’s probably the display device. Displays in the rest of the world are rarely calibrated.”

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Keep in mind that statement was written by Michael in 2015 at a time he (Light Iron) hadn’t had much experience in viewing challenging content on their stable of consumer TVs thru platforms like HBO Now which is not robust enough especially when overloaded and along with the DP’s creative choice, the main culprit(s) in the problematic home viewing situation encountered with episode 3.

As the typical TV owner does not use a well calibrated TV, like it or hate it, that is essentially the status quo (or, in medicolegal cases ‘the standard of care’, which is the basis for establishing blame in court or arbitration panel, when violated) ergo, I don’t think the ‘blame’ should be placed upon the consumer (status quo) and definitely not the final colorist (multi HPA award nominee and winner) as was indicated online by another colorist having no inside knowledge as to the workflow nuances of the production, nor basic knowledge as to whether the contracted post house or HBO created multiple HD delivery files according to HBO specifications.

Miguel Ángel Chacón Espín
Senior Video Engineer & PM in Mediaset España

“I agree with you that HBO did the grading of the master in the highest quality, 4K HDR, with BluRay in mind, in a dark room and with a premium mastering display, and they got amazing results in that environment. But you need to create a different HD SDR master for streaming (if your streaming service doesn’t support 4K HDR). This multi-mastering is very well-known for years in Cinema &TV. This master fits your the viewer parameters (standard TV, light env) in which you must grade with an HD SDR TV, so you can reduce the problems that compression is going to produce (banding, artifacts, etc). There are 2 options to obtain that SDR master from the HDR: do it again in SDR or derive an SDR automatically from the HDR and ‘trim’ it (make some changes on it). Any of them takes some time. Then, it seems that HBO ‘forgot’ to do this second, different, master (maybe time concerns) and they used the 4K HDR, they converted it to HD SDR with some 'default' adjustments', and here is they 'messed up', because this conversion it is something that requires advanced techniques.”

because as I mentioned previously ^ that ‘theory’ holds no merit given some viewers like Kris and others actually received decent picture quality thru their devices on a non-premiere night.

P.S.
Plus, I know it may be a big ask, but Miguel should learn how to type Blu-ray properly.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by ray0414

Vincent Teoh today bought 2 copies of Robin Hood. so an hdr10+ vs DV comparison is coming soon. assuming he's using 2 identical Panasonic tvs.

Ray, it’s a good start, but to reach any definitive conclusion as to which solution is superior, the investigation, or future ones, would have to include more content, expert as well as non-expert observers, and watching on high end TV(s) v. budget TV(s), like at Light Iron or Dolby to name a few - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...v#post16333382

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by djr662

it looks to me in that picure han is about to shoot first?

:d