HDR Discussion Thread

[Scottishguy]

The surly Tom avatar kind of suggests grumpyness. I think if Vincent is ever going to disclose what TV he personally uses, it won't be public. Best to ask him just to PM that information.

[Mierzwiak]

Oh Vincent, you nit wh...

Sabrina on Netflix looks STUNNING in Dolby Vision and not only because of it, it's exceptionally well shot TV show, very tasteful and cinematic.

Knowing Geoff's sympathy for low APL HDR grades I think he would love it.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

The surly Tom avatar kind of suggests grumpyness. I think if Vincent is ever going to disclose what TV he personally uses, it won't be public. Best to ask him just to PM that information.

Nah he won't, not even privately. But I've said my piece and hope to make some peace, now that we've thrashed out exactly who wants what from HDR.

I am a grumpy sod though, so the avatar is perfect. I personally love it more for the quizzically raised eyebrow as that's pretty much my default stance with what most people write on forums like these, hence my "treat everyone like an idiot equally" persona which isn't a persona at all, that is me.

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Nah he won't, not even privately. But I've said my piece and hope to make some peace, now that we've thrashed out exactly who wants what from HDR.

I am a grumpy sod though, so the avatar is perfect. I personally love it more for the quizzically raised eyebrow as that's pretty much my default stance with what most people write on forums like these, hence my "treat everyone like an idiot equally" persona which isn't a persona at all, that is me.

Geoff, I'm fine with you treating me like an idiot....

Can you just reply to my PM???

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by Mierzwiak

Oh Vincent, you nit wh...

Sabrina on Netflix looks STUNNING in Dolby Vision and not only because of it, it's exceptionally well shot TV show, very tasteful and cinematic.

Knowing Geoff's sympathy for low APL HDR grades I think he would love it.

Oh aye, stunning 24mbs

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3Gnq7...ature=youtu.be

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

Geoff, I'm fine with you treating me like an idiot....

Can you just reply to my PM???

I've had a few PMs today, sorry. I'm trying to get through them while writing massive essays in this thread and will get to yours in due course.

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I've had a few PMs today, sorry. I'm trying to get through them while writing massive essays in this thread and will get to yours in due course.

Thanks

[Mierzwiak]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

Oh aye, stunning 24mbs

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3Gnq7...ature=youtu.be

Where I said something about bitrate?
Where I said something about resolution?
Or sharpness?
Or details?

It looks stunning in Dolby Vision, can you guess what I mean by this or is it too much for you?

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I've had a few PMs today, sorry. I'm trying to get through them while writing massive essays in this thread and will get to yours in due course.

More like War And Peace, but in HDR.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

You mean like seeing the video of this recent past event - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...t#post17119676 posted on this thread
or, more to the point, the latest developments on - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...m#post16969095

nope, isn’t gonna happen, some things are only available to those with access.

tell that to my sinus and tooth and the work that needs to be done to fix them –


anesthetic just starting to kick in now

Jesus, I lived with that stuff before, not pleasant @ all.
Hang in there, the best is yet to come ...

To help ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5paG...ature=youtu.be

Bonus:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIhC...ature=youtu.be

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by Mierzwiak

Where I said something about bitrate?
Where I said something about resolution?
Or sharpness?
Or details?

It looks stunning in Dolby Vision, can you guess what I mean by this or is it too much for you?

The irony is I dispense sarcasm more than the average person. But my ability to interpret is well bellow average

[Waboman]

Vincent sure got the numbers up 'round here. Lol. Real HDR, fake HDR all I want is a real steak burger. Geoff can have the Tesco.

P.S. What is this noremac thing? Code for OLED burn in?

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Waboman

Vincent sure got the numbers up 'round here. Lol. Real HDR, fake HDR all I want is a real steak burger. Geoff can have the Tesco.

P.S. What is this noremac thing? Code for OLED burn in?

Sold! As long as I can have the Tesco sarnie in the lunchtime saver meal deal with a packet of Quavers and a can of Rubicon.

Noremac is code for clueless.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

Bonus:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIhC...ature=youtu.be

Booo! I thought someone had actually created a bigger IMAX-style sensor, not just used a VV-sized sensor to shoot nine different portions of the frame.

Unfortunately the problem with a larger sensor is wrangling the amount of data that comes off it, people are already having to deal with many, many terabytes being squirted out from the likes of the large format (5/65) Alexa 65. And while the ever-increasing number of users for that camera would indicate that this is not an insurmountable issue, the problem would become manifest all over again with a sensor that was 3x as big as the A3X chip that's inside the Alexa 65 (which itself is three regular Alev sensors stitched together, hence the A3X name), IMAX 15-perf being 3x as big as 5-perf 65mm.

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Sold! As long as I can have the Tesco sarnie in the lunchtime saver meal deal with a packet of Quavers and a can of Rubicon.

Noremac is code for clueless.

Unlike Geoff, Noremac actually has hands on experience and owns and works with the latest technology.

[Geoff D]

Go you!

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Booo! I thought someone had actually created a bigger IMAX-style sensor, not just used a VV-sized sensor to shoot nine different portions of the frame.

Unfortunately the problem with a larger sensor is wrangling the amount of data that comes off it, people are already having to deal with many, many terabytes being squirted out from the likes of the large format (5/65) Alexa 65. And while the ever-increasing number of users for that camera would indicate that this is not an insurmountable issue, the problem would become manifest all over again with a sensor that was 3x as big as the A3X chip that's inside the Alexa 65 (which itself is three regular Alev sensors stitched together, hence the A3X name), IMAX 15-perf being 3x as big as 5-perf 65mm.

It's only to cheer up Penton in these painful times of suffering. Plus we are @ the precipice of Christmas ...

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

Unlike Geoff, Noremac actually has no hands on experience, and owns and works with 1990s technology.

Edited for truth

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

It's only to cheer up Penton in these painful times of suffering. Plus we are @ the precipice of Christmas ...

Yeah I'm not having a go, I just got excite for a second there until I started actually watching the video.

[Kris Deering]

I think Vincent brings up some good points and that his intentions and heart are definitely in the right place (the overall enjoyment level of all consumers).

The thing that has me scratching my head with all of this is how the industry as a whole didn't see all of these issues coming a million miles away when you have nearly the EXACT same problem with high dynamic range music recordings. The parallel issues are nearly identical and what fruit did that bare: the loudness wars and today's extremely compressed pop music. And what Vincent mentions is moving toward exactly that. If you bring the average level up and up to essentially make up for either the noise floor (the room) or the playback devices limitations, you are compressing higher and higher and effectively limiting the overall dynamic range simply so the average is high and you still get an occasional high point on top of that. Because of the way light is perceived, you will reach a point of saturation if you keep raising APL (even though I agree with the reasons why it essentially needs to be done).

All of this could have been avoided if the powers that be had not decided on an absolute luminance system that is designed for a viewing condition that rarely exists in the mass market. But just like I don't think compression in music BY DEFAULT is the right answer, I also don't feel the same about video because then you are compromising the presentation of those with the right environment and displays. Rather, I would like to see CE companies come up with different "on the fly" compression schemes to help when you are in this type of situation (Panasonic has already done this with its dynamic range slider). That way the full dynamic range is preserved (even if the filmmakers don't want to make their HDR grades really bright) in the recording. Otherwise I can see this going the same way as audio. We'll start seeing more and more compressed presentations that are bright, bright, bright! but the true videophiles will start to understand the compromises of that and a side market will be created down the line for $$$ that offer the full dynamic range as intended without the compression. The wheel just keeps on a turning.