HDR Discussion Thread

[Lee A Stewart]

Samsung previewed QD-OLED TVs behind closed doors at CES 2020

Sources say that Samsung Display's QD-OLED had better color reproduction than LG Display's OLED and wide viewing angles, but issues with black levels and heat.

While Samsung Electronics was publicly exhibiting its latest "QLED" LCD TVs and microLED concepts, Samsung Display was previewing two 65-inch QD-OLED TV prototypes (4K and 8K resolution) behind closed doors at the Encore hotel in Las Vegas during CES 2020.

Journalists were not invited inside but guests who laid eyes on the prototypes tell Korean newspaper ETNews that the QD-OLED displays had "better color reproduction than LG Display's white OLED" as well as wide viewing angles.

However, some issues remain and apparently the QD-OLED displays were not able to deliver the same deep black as LG Display's version. Another source claims that "if the brightness is set to the maximum value, heat generation can be relatively high".

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1579001655

[Lee A Stewart]

2019 Finishes With DVD And Blu-ray Disc Releases Up

January 14, 2020

Preliminary format release results for 2019 show increases in release unit counts for both DVD and Blu-ray, while the 4K Ultra HD number remained as nothing more than a studio high-profile theatrical release blip. It should be noted that the DVD count will rise slightly in the weeks ahead as stranglers are tracked down and posted. The Blu-ray number is pretty close to the market and the 4K Ultra HD count is firm. The DVD release unit count for 2019 currently stands at 10,866 new releases, that is a 2.47 percent increase over the 2018 posting of 10,604 new DVD titles. This rise in output is generated by the ever-increasing use of on-demand publishing MOD (manufacture on demand), which now outpaces traditionally replicated discs by a factor of 64.5 percent MOD to 35.5 percent replicated (7,006 titles versus 3,860). The MOD/replicated ratio flipped in 2018 for the first time when MOD releases outpaced traditionally replicated DVD product offerings by 51.8 percent to 48.2 percent (5,491 versus 5,112). This trend is expected to continue as MOD publishing for DVD products will continue to mirror the book publishing business for soft-cover books (especially from Amazon.com). 48-hour turn-around will become the norm for the majority of titles released on DVD in the coming years … cheap, simple and effective.



https://www.widescreenreview.com/new...l.php?id=22217

[LordoftheRings]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA2c...ature=youtu.be

☆ https://ymcinema.com/2019/12/19/top-...r-jet-cockpit/

[Geoff D]

"Filmed in IMAX", what a load of bollocks

[mrtickleuk]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

Physical media is dead.

False.

[Lee A Stewart]

Micro LED to be widely used in large displays starting 2024

Micro LED technology is limited to applications in high-end large-size commercial displays and deluxe home theater systems currently due to high production cost, but technological improvements are expected to broaden its adoption in display modules which can be mosaicked into large screens of various sizes starting 2024, Digitimes Research's newly published Special Report on the outlook of mini and micro LED.

While Sony and Samsung Electronics have unveiled micro LED-equivalent display modules, their prices are over US$50,000 per square meter, far exceeding US$500-1,500 per square meter for 75-inch 4K LCD TVs and US$3,000-6,000 per square meter for 77-inch OLED TVs, Digitimes Research indicates in its Special Report, "Mini/micro LED: Challenges and opportunities in the display industry."

As sizes of glass substrates are limited for production lines, it is difficult to produce LCD or OLED TV panels of over 120 inches. In comparison, micro LED display modules can be mosaicked into 110-, 220-, 440-, 790-inch or even larger displays and will therefore have market niche in commercial displays of over 100 inches. But, the problem is how to reduce production cost for micro LED panels.

A new manufacturing process via embedding CMOS circuits in micro LED chips seems to be able to hike yield rates and thereby decrease production cost for micro LED panels. The process reduces complexity of mass transfer of micro LED chips onto backplanes to facilitate wafer-level production and testing. In addition, backplanes are not limited to TFT-LCD glass substrates and can be made of glass, metals or flexible materials.

https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20191226PD211.html

[Lee A Stewart]

Universal, Warner Bros. To Merge Domestic Disc Business

After a year of two gigantic mergers, Hollywood is welcoming the new year with further consolidation – this time, in the home entertainment sector.

Universal Pictures and Warner Bros. on Jan. 15 announced plans to merge their physical distribution businesses.
On the domestic front, the two studios are establishing a joint venture to market and distribute Blu-ray Discs, DVDs and 4K Ultra HD discs in the United States and Canada.

The new unit, which still must be approved by the U.S. Justice Department, is expected to officially launch early in 2021. It will combine the existing domestic disc businesses of Universal Pictures Home Entertainment (UPHE) and Warner Bros. Home Entertainment, and be headed by current UPHE President Eddie Cunningham.

https://www.mediaplaynews.com/univer...disc-business/

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Universal, Warner Bros. To Merge Domestic Disc Business

After a year of two gigantic mergers, Hollywood is welcoming the new year with further consolidation – this time, in the home entertainment sector.

Universal Pictures and Warner Bros. on Jan. 15 announced plans to merge their physical distribution businesses.
On the domestic front, the two studios are establishing a joint venture to market and distribute Blu-ray Discs, DVDs and 4K Ultra HD discs in the United States and Canada.

The new unit, which still must be approved by the U.S. Justice Department, is expected to officially launch early in 2021. It will combine the existing domestic disc businesses of Universal Pictures Home Entertainment (UPHE) and Warner Bros. Home Entertainment, and be headed by current UPHE President Eddie Cunningham.

https://www.mediaplaynews.com/univer...disc-business/

Not surprised, given how the disc market is shrinking. Universal, Paramount and Sony are pretty much one unit in mainland Europe as it is, if they were to carry the Warners merger across into Europe then Universal's retailer zoom.co.uk could carry Warners titles at last!

[Geoff D]

Ah, yes, they are indeed carrying it across into Europe and Warners are going to take over Uni's UK operation: https://variety.com/2020/film/news/u...nt-1203467934/

Can't says I'm over the moon, I'd have much preferred if it was the other way around as this could meant the end of zoom, but as the market declines then the studios are going to have to get creative in order to keep it viable.

[Penton-Man]

At next month’s Hollywood Professional Association Tech Retreat, Michael Z. from WB is presenting “Tested Perceptual Difference Between 4K & 8K” which will add more data or some might say fodder to the recent *are 8K tvs worth it* debate. Considering the film vs. digital acquisition debate went on for years, I’d suspect the 4K vs. 8K thing to do the same.

[Penton-Man]

Also, as per Mark S. – “What makes a cinema different from a really big screen TV? Find out at the 2020 HPA Tech Retreat: https://hpaonline.com/event/2020-hpa.../?tab=overview

I’d say, without stealing the thunder from Jerry Pierce, for one thing, theaters use 4:4:4 chroma subsampling whereas home deliveries to TVs are 4:2:0, the resolution consequences of which to long term readers of this thread, or guys like Stacey who deal with test patterns, should be evident.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

☆ https://ymcinema.com/2019/12/19/top-...r-jet-cockpit/

That’s Max in the 2nd pic down leaning into the cockpit and checking the Venices.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA2c...ature=youtu.be

With having Dolby Vision IQ engaged for repeat viewing of the eventual Dolby Vision UHD Blu-ray of Top Gun: Maverick by the super Top Gun fans (https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&...pgun2&src=typd ) at any time of day and under any lighting conditions when they so feel the need, Dolby Vision IQ should prove more fulfilling than would be otherwise, e.g. as per reporters at cnet –

“We got to check out the demo at Dolby's suite and it worked well. There were two LG OLEDs set up side by side, one with IQ engaged and showing standard Dolby Vision. In the dark the two looked basically identical but when an engineer turned up the lights the TV with IQ looked markedly better. Shadow details were clearly visible in the equipped model, while the non-IQ set showed an invisible mass of darkness, its details obscured by the glare of the room lighting on the TV screen.”

https://www.cnet.com/g00/news/dolby-...er=&i10c.dv=20

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

☆ https://ymcinema.com/2019/12/19/top-...r-jet-cockpit/

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

That’s Max in the 2nd pic down leaning into the cockpit and checking the Venices.

Also pictured here - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...r#post16884219

[LordoftheRings]

Very cool Penton; everything Top Gun II, Top Gun's crew and lenses, and OLED DV IQ. ...Because we love camera's angles ...
_____

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX2v...ature=youtu.be

I watched that ^ last night; technically it's on a higher level of its unique own.
This was a no-brainer for me...a must own.

The film itself; some shots were amazing (that's part of the movie), some CGI effects were inferior, colors looked splendid and true, tones and all.
Exceptional resolution (part of the movie too), beautiful skies...the best.
Speaking of the skies...the lights were perfect for me, and the night scenes superb.
It is the sum of all the parts that function as part of the story; in that light it is what it is.

You don't buy this BR 4K HDR HFR flick for dramatic and comedic film's emotions, you buy it for the technical transformation...for the advancement in future cinema today.
It's like another tool indispensable to work with in the film's toolbox, like 3D in its native original shape and form using advanced 3D cameras by the best in the film business...Michael Bay, James Cameron, Ang Lee and the rest of the best framing shots/angles gang. ...Angles...Ang...gAng...got that.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIf-...ature=youtu.be

I watched that ^ last night; technically it's on a higher level of its unique own.
This was a no-brainer for me...a must own.

I think you’re ahead of your time , at least compared to most card carrying current cinephiles and videophiles who have had decades of traditional frame rate conditioning….for better or worse . It will be interesting in years to come, though, if more and more dramatic movie content use > 24fps workflows, how the next generation in 40 or 50 years will view the whole situation (yay or nay).

On a side note, there is a breakfast roundtable at the Hollywood Professional Association’s upcoming retreat titled “High frame rate: keeping it cinematic” with Richard Miller of Pixelworks and their TrueCut solution.

P.S.
The lime green front fender is that of Kawasaki, the factory with Eli aboard having a great motocross run to date - https://www.kawasaki.com/racing/sxmx...saki/eli-tomac (the 2-wheeled prowess must be in the Tomac family genes – I’ve still got a personally signed poster of his Dad doing his thing in a pro downhill mountain bike race in my man cave), to be clear though Eli didn’t do the stunt work for Gemini Man

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

Physical media is dead.

Originally Posted by mrtickleuk

False.

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

As long as studios are releasing titles on 4K Blu-ray, standard Blu-ray, DVD, and audio CD's, physical media is alive.

For physical media to die. All Blu-ray, DVD, and CD players need to go out of production. Then every studio would need to stop releasing all optical discs in every format. We are most likely 10+ years away from that.

Physical media might become a niche format like Laserdisc where around 2 million consumers in the world support physical media every year.

* https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1579085840

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

night

Night on Earth | Official Trailer | Netflix - YouTube

with a Dolby Vision HDR grade, coming soon

[tcripe]

What is the cheapest UHD player that supports all HDR formats? My Vizio TV recently got a firmware update to support HDR10+. My LG player on supports HDR10/DV, look for a player that supports all 3. This way I can take full advantage of my display. Any help is appreciated!

Thanks.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by tcripe

What is the cheapest UHD player that supports all HDR formats? My Vizio TV recently got a firmware update to support HDR10+. My LG player on supports HDR10/DV, look for a player that supports all 3. This way I can take full advantage of my display. Any help is appreciated!

Thanks.

The cheapest would be $500 (UB820) that supports every HDR (HDR10/DV/HDR10+), but then it doesn't have DV quite working perfectly (brightness levels are increased with some blooming).

Discontinued Oppo 203, $799 Cambridge CXUHD (If you can still buy it) , $997 Pioneer LX500, are other players that support all three HDR and work correctly. Phillips, LG, Sony don't do HDR10+.