HDR Discussion Thread

[Penton-Man]

Although many readers here may not qualify for access to some committee meetings, future and past, at the ASC Clubhouse, e.g. – https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...g#post12849032

so, locals might want to take advantage of the Open House this Saturday which is free and open to one and all -
https://theasc.com/news/asc-open-house-set-for-2020

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

The cheapest would be $500 (UB820) that supports every HDR (HDR10/DV/HDR10+), but then it doesn't have DV quite working perfectly (brightness levels are increased with some blooming).

Discontinued Oppo 203, $799 Cambridge CXUHD (If you can still buy it) , $997 Pioneer LX500, are other players that support all three HDR and work correctly. Phillips, LG, Sony don't do HDR10+.

The only in production Blu-ray players that supports HDR10+ and all 3 HDR formats is the two latest Panasonic models. Pioneer has promised to come out with a HDR10+ firmware update and then will be able to support all 3 HDR formats. However to my knowledge that firmware update has not been released yet for the Pioneer.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Night on Earth | Official Trailer | Netflix - YouTube
with a Dolby Vision HDR grade, coming soon

I've already put it on my queue about a week ago.
Night on Earth nature documentary will be available in 4K resolution and Dolby Vision HDR.
Limited Series, January 29.

Originally Posted by tcripe

What is the cheapest UHD player that supports all HDR formats? My Vizio TV recently got a firmware update to support HDR10+. My LG player on supports HDR10/DV, look for a player that supports all 3. This way I can take full advantage of my display. Any help is appreciated!

Thanks.

That's the missing link, and nothing @ CES 2020 ... that's why I posted the link yesterday ...
• https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1579085840

Like John said the Panasonic player (820) here in North America, but with a less than perfect Dolby Vision implementation.

We are not lucky today with a universal BR 4K player that is both full featured (all video and audio codecs) and full performing and bullet-proof and good value (affordable for the masses). The King is dead ... Oppo, and nobody will ever be able to fill those shoes like the master he was.

Today you need two 4K BR players for what yesterday only one could do.
These are our times in HDR reality diversification.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

I've already put it on my queue about a week ago.
Night on Earth nature documentary will be available in 4K resolution and Dolby Vision HDR.
Limited Series, January 29.

like this well-known past documentary –
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...9#post13759568

in that it was graded at the same facility, films@59 – https://www.filmsat59.com/

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Waboman

I like coke. The soft drink is good too.

Pepsi has benefits –
https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/01/13/su...-lopez-shakira

Wabo, let me see you move like you come from Columbia -

Shakira ft. Wyclef Jean - Hips Don't Lie (Live) - YouTube

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

like this well-known past documentary –
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...9#post13759568

in that it was graded at the same facility, films@59 – https://www.filmsat59.com/

Planet Earth II

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lly...ature=youtu.be

[mrtickleuk]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

The cheapest would be $500 (UB820) that supports every HDR (HDR10/DV/HDR10+), but then it doesn't have DV quite working perfectly (brightness levels are increased with some blooming).

Eh? Since when? Can you point to a recent technical source of this, please? First time in two years I have seen this mentioned! Surely it would have been fixed in a firmware update, or Dolby would not have allowed it to be released in the first place.

Since the UB820 has the same chipset as the UB9000 (the main differences are audio outputs and a more rugged build on the 9000), I would have expected that we would have heard a lot more about any scandal of a Dolby Vision output not being accurate from a player carrying that badge.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by mrtickleuk

Eh? Since when? Can you point to a recent technical source of this, please? First time in two years I have seen this mentioned! Surely it would have been fixed in a firmware update, or Dolby would not have allowed it to be released in the first place.

Since the UB820 has the same chipset as the UB9000 (the main differences are audio outputs and a more rugged build on the 9000), I would have expected that we would have heard a lot more about any scandal of a Dolby Vision output not being accurate from a player carrying that badge.

Sure: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...p#post15961702

[mrtickleuk]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Sure: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...p#post15961702

Thanks, but did anyone else observe/measure the same thing? (genuinely would like to know)

[LordoftheRings]

HDR & Dolby Vision (+ Chroma Subsampling)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvWE...ature=youtu.be

Go to 11:40 ^

Extra:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziTm...ature=youtu.be

Go to 8:00 ^ (or for more additional info start @ 5:30)

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

locals might want to take advantage of

this freebie next month -
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/hdr-vid...ts-90081599489

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

Planet Earth II
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lly...ature=youtu.be

As I was telling member multiformis a while back, that’s ^ zmarty’s work, as well as this Star Trek video -> https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...z#post13574581 (his very first HDR analysis on YouTube)

z, who, since the time of that video about PE II has been awarded a Ph.D. degree in Computer Science while being a full-time Microsoft senior software engineer at the same time

[Downsideup]

I got some questions for the ppl that know more about HDR.

If you don't have a Dolby Vision TV, can you still watch the same content in HDR10, 10+. Does it downscale so to speak. So lets say I'm watching netflix on my non-dolby vision set and I select a dolby vision show, will that play in the HDR, HDR 10+ that my set supports?

Bonus question, does the same thing go for Dolby Vision content on blu-rays? I was a bit confused researing HDR on blu-rays because even thou certain discs support dolby vision, it doesnt seem to say so on the box art. It says HDR experience blah blah blah, like Alita Battle Angel, which is supposed to be in dolby vision. Will this still play in HDR and HDR 10+ on a Samsung TV?

Cheers guys and gals.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

As I was telling member multiformis a while back, that’s ^ zmarty’s work, as well as this Star Trek video -> https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...z#post13574581 (his very first HDR analysis on YouTube)

z, who, since the time of that video about PE II has been awarded a Ph.D. degree in Computer Science while being a full-time Microsoft senior software engineer at the same time

He's good, very.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Downsideup

I got some questions for the ppl that know more about HDR.

If you don't have a Dolby Vision TV, can you still watch the same content in HDR10, 10+. Does it downscale so to speak. So lets say I'm watching netflix on my non-dolby vision set and I select a dolby vision show, will that play in the HDR, HDR 10+ that my set supports?

Bonus question, does the same thing go for Dolby Vision content on blu-rays? I was a bit confused researing HDR on blu-rays because even thou certain discs support dolby vision, it doesnt seem to say so on the box art. It says HDR experience blah blah blah, like Alita Battle Angel, which is supposed to be in dolby vision. Will this still play in HDR and HDR 10+ on a Samsung TV?

Cheers guys and gals.

Yes

Yes

* HDR10+ if the source content is encoded, and if the source player supports it.

[Downsideup]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

Yes

Yes

* HDR10+ if the source content is encoded, and if the source player supports it.

Thank you so much! Your the best!

[I DO BLU]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

HDR & Dolby Vision (+ Chroma Subsampling)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvWE...ature=youtu.be

Go to 11:40 ^

Extra:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziTm...ature=youtu.be

Go to 8:00 ^ (or for more additional info start @ 5:30)

Why? He’s been shown his bogus claim of fake hdr was wrong why trust a word he says.

[Geoff D]

Hah! He's right about the player though. Chapter 2 of the DV montage on Spears & Munsil UHD Benchmark (with the horses in the snow) clips by a ridiculous amount on the Panny, in low latency mode at least.

[Waboman]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Wabo, let me see you move like you come from Columbia -
Shakira ft. Wyclef Jean - Hips Don't Lie (Live) - YouTube

I can bust me a move, PM.

[Show spoiler]

[mrtickleuk]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

HDR & Dolby Vision (+ Chroma Subsampling)

Go to 11:40 ^

Go to 8:00 ^ (or for more additional info start @ 5:30)

Excellent and fantastic, thanks so so much for this! Very puzzling, I presume it hasn't been "fixed" (assuming the Oppo is correct) in a firmware upgrade. I need to make a note of this in my buying spreadsheet

At least it puts my mind at rest that I definitely shouldn't spend triple the money of a UB820 on the UB9000 under some delusion that it's perfect. I'm not in the "high-end" market and never will be, and would have resented being forced up there just to get a player that basically works.

It's revealing (and all the more curious) that both the Pioneer and Panasonic have the exact same issue with their Dolby Vision outputs.