HDR Discussion Thread

[DanBa]

HDR10+ does need HDMI 2.1 feature Transport of ST 2094 dynamic metadata.

The HDMI 2.1 feature eARC (Enhanced Audio Return Channel) supporting Dolby Atmos or DTS:X will be enabled on 2017 Marantz AVR via a future firmware upgrade.
http://us.marantz.com/us/Products/Pa...oductId=SR6012

According to Jeff Park, Technical Director of HDMI LA, a HDMI 2.0b => HDMI 2.1 firmware upgrade is possible if the HDMI chipset was designed to be upgradable.
https://cepro.ehmedia.co/webinar-confirmation11710499


http://www.avsforum.com/forum/465-hi...l#post54128881

[HeatEquation]

Originally Posted by Adrian Wright

Even DTS-X has more support than DV at this moment in time I agree. So we have movies from one studio to get excited about with HDR10+ or am I missing the point? Those 3 logos look awfully lonely on the picture provided.

Yes, you're missing the part where there are only a handful of DV discs despite the format having been official for what, a couple of years or more? The floodgates don't seem to have opened either, as there aren't an inordinate amount of DV discs announced to be on the way.

Unlike with DV, HDR10+ has a large studio that has been heavily involved in its development, its marketing, and now its licensing. I wouldn't be surprised if Fox uses the format on a large portion of its discs, since it would be in their best interest to do so.

Still, I stick by my prediction, that these dynamic HDR formats will account for a very small percentage of the overall number of UHD discs.

[HeatEquation]

Originally Posted by DanBa

According to Jeff Park, Technical Director of HDMI LA, a HDMI 2.0b => HDMI 2.1 firmware upgrade is possible if the HDMI chipset was designed to be upgradable.
https://cepro.ehmedia.co/webinar-confirmation11710499

This is probably what happened, then. Even if it wasn't a full upgrade, they were at least able to do a partial upgrade to allow for dynamic HDR via HDMI.

[DanBa]

Originally Posted by HeatEquation

Yes, you're missing the part where there are only a handful of DV discs despite the format having been official for what, a couple of years or more? The floodgates don't seem to have opened either, as there aren't an inordinate amount of DV discs announced to be on the way.

Unlike with DV, HDR10+ has a large studio that has been heavily involved in its development, its marketing, and now its licensing. I wouldn't be surprised if Fox uses the format on a large portion of its discs, since it would be in their best interest to do so.

Still, I stick by my prediction, that these dynamic HDR formats will account for a very small percentage of the overall number of UHD discs.

Plans to incorporate Dolby Vision into Ultra HD Blu-ray authoring tools were announced on April 2016.
https://www.sony.com/en_us/SCA/compa...lans-to-a.html
http://www.businesswire.com/news/hom...ision-Ultra-HD

[HeatEquation]

A year and a half since then, and we've had probably well more than 200 total UHD discs released, with less than 10 being DV, and only a handful more announced for release. Doesn't seem like much, and it doesn't seem to speeding up any time soon. The encoding issues haven't helped.

[DanBa]

As far as I understand, April 2016 was the very beginning (i.e. announcement) of the development of the Dolby Vision authoring tools; and the first UHD Blu-ray discs, Despicable Me, were coming in June 2017.

[Adrian Wright]

Originally Posted by HeatEquation

A year and a half since then, and we've had probably well more than 200 total UHD discs released, with less than 10 being DV, and only a handful more announced for release. Doesn't seem like much, and it doesn't seem to speeding up any time soon. The encoding issues haven't helped.

As much as I like DV, this man speaks the truth here

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by HeatEquation

Yes, you're missing the part where there are only a handful of DV discs despite the format having been official for what, a couple of years or more? The floodgates don't seem to have opened either, as there aren't an inordinate amount of DV discs announced to be on the way.

Unlike with DV, HDR10+ has a large studio that has been heavily involved in its development, its marketing, and now its licensing. I wouldn't be surprised if Fox uses the format on a large portion of its discs, since it would be in their best interest to do so.

Still, I stick by my prediction, that these dynamic HDR formats will account for a very small percentage of the overall number of UHD discs.

In other words: where are all the DV titles at?

[mrtickleuk]

Originally Posted by HeatEquation

This is probably what happened, then. Even if it wasn't a full upgrade, they were at least able to do a partial upgrade to allow for dynamic HDR via HDMI.

Sounds plausible. Thanks all!

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Adrian Wright

So we have movies from one studio to get excited about with HDR10+

Given its collaboration in the development/testing of Samsung’s cinema LED and involvement in the production of content for it, e.g.

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

The Great Wall received a special grade (other than the conventional theatrical master specs developed back in the day - http://www.edcf.net/edcf_docs/DCI%20...cs%20final.pdf at the Digital Cinema Lab) to use/show as a demo clip....

Universal Pictures is well positioned to be the next Hollywood studio to support HDR10+. Will they or won’t they?

[HeatEquation]

Samsung partnering with people left, right, and center.

Xbox and Samsung are teaming up to utilize Samsung’s flagship premium lineup of QLED TVs as the official 4K TV partner for the highly-anticipated Xbox One X. Kicking off at E3 2017 in June, attendees experienced, for the first time ever, breathtaking true 4K HDR gaming on the Xbox One X and Samsung QLED TVs. Now gamers in the United States can experience the power of the Xbox One X on QLED 4K TVs at various Xbox and Samsung marketing and retail locations through the rest of the year.
Read more at https://news.xbox.com/2017/09/01/sam...Jkx2uEZpXMb.99

Given that Xbox One X supports HDMI 2.1, I wonder if this partnership means the console will support HDR10+ at some point.

[zmarty]

Originally Posted by HeatEquation

Given that Xbox One X supports HDMI 2.1

How would you know this? Official specs say 2.0b: http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one-x (click on show specs + sign)

But I agree they can probably upgrade the port to support HDR10+

[HeatEquation]

Originally Posted by zmarty

How would you know this? Official specs say 2.0b: http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one-x (click on show specs + sign)

But I agree they can probably upgrade the port to support HDR10+

https://mobile.twitter.com/XboxQwik/...62860370280448

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Adrian Wright

As much as I like DV, this man speaks the truth here

Truth? LOL

We have multiple titles either in imminent release or scheduled.
Red, Red 2, Warm Bodies, Cabin In The Woods, Transformers: The Last Knight, etc. all in one month's time.

Atmos took a while to get going and now it's everywhere.

[gkolb]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Given its collaboration in the development/testing of Samsung’s cinema LED and involvement in the production of content for it, e.g.



Universal Pictures is well positioned to be the next Hollywood studio to support HDR10+. Will they or won’t they?

I've said this before, the current DV disk problem issue AND lack of leadership to discuss and control the information flow and lead the conversation about resolution is leaving a huge info vacuum in the blogs and media. And we all know nature abhors a vacuum. Dolby must step up and get control of this issue and the messages and action for moving forward with DV.

I want DV to succeed, and show it's full capabilities. Having a format war with HDR10+ will only serve to slow down acceptance by the general public of 4k consumers and a smooth transition in a few years to 12-bit devices. And having studios split up over DV and 10+ only deepens the format war aspects of this pending cluster...

Ps Also support HLG for broadcasting, sports first and then who knows?

[Staying Salty]

Originally Posted by gkolb

Dolby must step up and get control of this issue and the messages and action for moving forward with DV.

Common sense say this ^ but these guys know what they are doing. Maybe it a combination of the "various moving parts" and they don’t want to point fingers at their partners.

Originally Posted by gkolb

Ps Also support HLG for broadcasting, sports first and then who knows?

My 8 Ball says this is a more “Political situation” and that it’s Technicolor in the USA and HLG in Europe.

[Member-38928]

So I bought my first 4K set-up awhile back and honestly while the PQ is really very good, it has not been as good as some 4K that I have seen at Best Buy or Target. The TV is this Hisense 55" which is ~4' away in my bedroom. And the 4K player is a Philips BDP7501.

When I bought these I honestly did almost no research but so far I have not been too impressed with its 4K performance, again the PQ is really nice but its nothing like stuff I have seen on a 4K LCD I saw at Target and the LG Oled I saw at Best Buy.

Well today I guess I figured out why, it does not have High Dynamic Range (HDR), though I gotta admit I looked thru its specs before I bought it and I think (under the specs at BB)> ... "High Dynamic Range (HDR) No" would have caught by eye so I think this was added after my purchase. Oh well, after using the TV a bit, it is still quite nice but its not what I was hoping for. At least its just a bedroom TV and after trading in an old laptop and selling my old 32" 1080p bedroom TV I only spend like ~$270. At least whenever I am ready to get rid of my PRO-151FD (Pioneer Elite 60" professionally calibrated plasma) I at least know what I now know.
....And honestly my plasma's replacement probably has to be an Oled so my wait might be awhile since I aint rich, thankfully though this is not a huge deal because my systems both do 1080p very nicely and I can live with that. .......Its just not pure eye candy like I have seen @ B.B. & Target.

[Show spoiler]

[Adrian Wright]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Truth? LOL

We have multiple titles either in imminent release or scheduled.
Red, Red 2, Warm Bodies, Cabin In The Woods, Transformers: The Last Knight, etc. all in one month's time.

Atmos took a while to get going and now it's everywhere.

I agree Pete, but WHERE is the support that Warner promised way back at CES?. I have Cabin In The Woods to watch tonight and let's just hope and pray those damned black levels have been sorted. Having seen people experience this now with the LG UHD Deck as well as the Oppo, I am convinced that this is an encoding issue.

As you say, The Last Knight is out soon and it will be interesting to see what encoder they use and the results yielded [emoji106]

[mrtickleuk]

Originally Posted by gkolb

Ps Also support HLG for broadcasting, sports first and then who knows?

Point of order sir! Natural History was first (Planet Earth 2 from the BBC - the 4K disc is a conversion TO HDR10 from the HLG master that's been used for broadcasting tests). Opera was second, I think? A couple of months ago there was that live test opera broadcast? So sport was a long way back in third

[gkolb]

Originally Posted by bentvalve

So I bought my first 4K set-up awhile back and honestly while the PQ is really very good, it has not been as good as some 4K that I have seen at Best Buy or Target. The TV is this Hisense 55" which is ~4' away in my bedroom. And the 4K player is a Philips BDP7501.

When I bought these I honestly did almost no research but so far I have not been too impressed with its 4K performance, again the PQ is really nice but its nothing like stuff I have seen on a 4K LCD I saw at Target and the LG Oled I saw at Best Buy.

Well today I guess I figured out why, it does not have High Dynamic Range (HDR), though I gotta admit I looked thru its specs before I bought it and I think (under the specs at BB)> ... "High Dynamic Range (HDR) No" would have caught by eye so I think this was added after my purchase. Oh well, after using the TV a bit, it is still quite nice but its not what I was hoping for. At least its just a bedroom TV and after trading in an old laptop and selling my old 32" 1080p bedroom TV I only spend like ~$270. At least whenever I am ready to get rid of my PRO-151FD (Pioneer Elite 60" professionally calibrated plasma) I at least know what I now know.
....And honestly my plasma's replacement probably has to be an Oled so my wait might be awhile since I aint rich, thankfully though this is not a huge deal because my systems both do 1080p very nicely and I can live with that. .......Its just not pure eye candy like I have seen @ B.B. & Target.

[Show spoiler]

I can not know for sure, but the displays in the stores are most probably set on "vivid" even in HDR mode, so part of that "pop" is gonna be superficial.