The Soap Opera Effect - Yay or Nay?

[kashif]

Guys do you prefer the soap opera effect or not on your 4k led tv? I mean the Auto motion plus or you call it the option to make image smooth and without blur. I see, it made picture very clear and blur free but I feel as I am watching making of a movie or some kind of TV show, Do you guys like it or not?

[Geoff D]

I hate SOE on most films, it makes me feel queasy. That said, some digitally shot shows which don't have the usual film-like cadence can work pretty well with mild motion interpolation, looking smoother without producing either motion artefacts nor outright SOE. Mann's Miami Vice and the Hobbit movies look great using the Clear Motionflow setting on my Sony TV.

[garyd97]

I can't stand it. It makes everything look cheesy.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I hate SOE on most films, it makes me feel queasy. That said, some digitally shot shows which don't have the usual film-like cadence can work pretty well with mild motion interpolation, looking smoother without producing either motion artefacts nor outright SOE. Mann's Miami Vice and the Hobbit movies look great using the Clear Motionflow setting on my Sony TV.

Really?!?

[Pieter V]

Always 1:1 here, as it was meant. Speaking of: Mann, Collateral has also that strange FPS speed up, just like Mad Max. Did you guys also noticed this?

Mann did this to Public Enemies (2009) too.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Pieter V

Always 1:1 here, as it was meant. Speaking of: Mann, Collateral has also that strange FPS speed up, just like Mad Max. Did you guys also noticed this?

Mann did this to Public Enemies (2009) too.

He, like Miller is old school under cranking was a done thing

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Really?!?

Yes, really! They didn't go for a film-like 'look' on Vice, not just because of the digital HD capture but because of the wider shutter angle that was used (which IMO is more the cause of the weird motion in the other two Mann films mentioned above), so there's more of that video-like motion blur throughout the movie and it seems to give the motion interpolation processing something more to 'hang on to', if that makes sense.

Going full MotionFlow with Smooth or Standard still makes it look pretty naff, causing motion artefacts all over the place, but the Clear setting adds just enough temporal smoothness without drawing attention to itself.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Yes, really! They didn't go for a film-like 'look' on Vice, not just because of the digital HD capture but because of the wider shutter angle that was used (which IMO is more the cause of the weird motion in the other two Mann films mentioned above), so there's more of that video-like motion blur throughout the movie and it seems to give the motion interpolation processing something more to 'hang on to', if that makes sense.

Going full MotionFlow with Smooth or Standard still makes it look pretty naff, causing motion artefacts all over the place, but the Clear setting adds just enough temporal smoothness without drawing attention to itself.

Huh, since we have the same settings I am so trying this

[Geoff D]

Not sure if Clear works the same way on the 2015 models tho

[Falaskan]

No. I prefer blur.

I think Jimmy Fallon aka Sara (with no h) said it best:

[katiehlvr2]

I agree with Geoff. Ive noticed that with newer movies, fast 7, hobbits, a little bit of smooth motion can make it look very good. Anything really prior to 2012 for me is turned off mode.
I just watched Powder, Breakdown and River Wild on HDX and had to turn it from 2 down to 0.

[Spike M.]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I hate SOE on most films, it makes me feel queasy. That said, some digitally shot shows which don't have the usual film-like cadence can work pretty well with mild motion interpolation, looking smoother without producing either motion artefacts nor outright SOE. Mann's Miami Vice and the Hobbit movies look great using the Clear Motionflow setting on my Sony TV.

[whats4k]

My Sony seems to do a great job increasing frame rate and without causing motion sickness to the viewer.

I can't stand watching straight 24 fps. I see individual frames, especially during panning shots, annoys me a lot. I keep motion flow on smooth setting and it does a great job. I do see the artifacts around fast moving objects as the television tries to fill in the missing visual information, but the artifacts don't bother me nearly as much as a progressive signal in 24fps.

[Drewbee87]

Hell nay! That's the first thing I turn off when I mess with the settings of a new TV.

[Spike M.]

Can we like... get rid of this thread? It's not dissimilar to being on a painting forum and opening up conversation to whether or not members prefer painter approved replica prints or coloring book versions of their favorite paintings.

This forum subsection is better than opening up such a gross conversation.

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I hate SOE on most films, it makes me feel queasy. That said, some digitally shot shows which don't have the usual film-like cadence can work pretty well with mild motion interpolation, looking smoother without producing either motion artefacts nor outright SOE. Mann's Miami Vice and the Hobbit movies look great using the Clear Motionflow setting on my Sony TV.

High frame rate will be the next must have feature in HDTV.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Auditor55

High frame rate will be the next must have feature in HDTV.

Not until there are more than 3 movies

[JayEmm]

I would have thought the vast majority of displays are already high frame rate capable. I don't know if they could do 48 frames but they can definitely do 50 and 60. There is just no source material.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by JayEmm

I would have thought the vast majority of displays are already high frame rate capable. I don't know if they could do 48 frames but they can definitely do 50 and 60. There is just no source material.

UHD can't do it yet, and if it comes in we are in upgrade cycle again

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Auditor55

High frame rate will be the next must have feature in HDTV.

If we leave 3D out of the equation (and why not?) even the basic 4K TVs can display up to 2160p60 for 2D, I've got some 4K football clips (the horror!) @ 60p and the combo of vastly increased temporal res with the added spatial res is incredibly lush. It's a shame none of y'all give a **** about sport as it's one of the things that will benefit HUGELY from all dis fourkay stuff in the years ahead. Eh, more for me then.