4K Movies Releases

[Richard Paul]

A HEVC proposal was just added which gives a detailed overview of ICtCp. The video industry has used YCbCr for over three decades but ICtCp is a big enough improvement that it looks like it will replace it.

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

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PQ favored for movies where one has the luxury of post production.
HLG favored for live content (sports, concerts, etc.)

That does seem likely. PQ is great when given enough metadata, money, and time but it was designed for movie production. A hammer is a great tool but I wouldn't use a hammer to cut wood.

[bbwiscfan]

I only ordered Amazing Spiderman 2 as that's the only one I want, but it says it should be here by this Thursday. Looks like Warner still shows same February 28 or later for Amazon and best buy. If you want any Sony titles, go on Amazon now.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

A HEVC proposal was just added which gives a detailed overview of ICtCp. The video industry has used YCbCr for over three decades but ICtCp is a big enough improvement that it looks like it will replace it.

Yes , posted late last night. Jaclyn P. is one of the original investigators from Dolby alluded to several days ago here.

I sat in at another roundtable; however, Jaclyn had a breakfast roundtable last Thursday at HPA 2016 on Constant Intensity Color. I think Friday too, but I checked out early that day.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by bbwiscfan

I only ordered Amazing Spiderman 2 as that's the only one I want, but it says it should be here by this Thursday. Looks like Warner still shows same February 28 or later for Amazon and best buy. If you want any Sony titles, go on Amazon now.

BUY!...and discuss...from any studio. A realtime snapshot of https://forum.blu-ray.com/ shows that the Ultra HD Blu-ray and 4K forum is running at a viewership rate of ~ 10% compared to the vaunted Blu-ray Movies North America forum (HD)….not too shabby for a Blu-ray format extension which just launched but I think we can do even better.

[Steedeel]

Great to see some reviews up. It starts!

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

That does seem likely. PQ is great when given enough metadata, money, and time but it was designed for movie production. A hammer is a great tool but I wouldn't use a hammer to cut wood.

True.

However, given the expertise in the human visual system paraded about on the internet by Audio Video reporters/bloggers and such preaching to us about what we can and can not see and structures in the eye like the lens and retina, I’m not so sure they understand your carpentry analogy.

Here’s a clinical human vision analogy for their sake… http://consultqd.clevelandclinic.org...ucoma-surgery/

Pertinent statement…”Each approach has its advantages and drawbacks.”…which is also applicable to PQ and HLG.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

A HEVC proposal was just added which gives a detailed overview of ICtCp....

For perspective to those other readers besides Richard et al. not cognizant of the workings of the HEVC compression experts happening this week in meetings in San Diego (well La Jolla to be exact)…..out of approximately 120 contributions, ~ 80! are HDR related input contributions which have been submitted (including CE reports and crosschecks).

One of the most important topics is making progress towards the refinement of HDR support in HEVC.

Engineers are taking this dynamic range thing seriously.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Engineers are taking this dynamic range thing seriously.

As are astute cinematographers.

For example, due to bandwidth limitations at even large Hollywood post facilities (like in this particular case Technicolor)

Day In The Life: Daryn Okada - YouTube

who do multiple motion picture projects at the same time. If you had to choose between finishing in 4K….or… utilizing the widest dynamic range workflow possible, which would you choose?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

BUY!...and discuss...from any studio. A realtime snapshot of https://forum.blu-ray.com/ shows that the Ultra HD Blu-ray and 4K forum is running at a viewership rate of ~ 10% compared to the vaunted Blu-ray Movies North America forum (HD)….not too shabby for a Blu-ray format extension which just launched but I think we can do even better.

now we're cooking with gas
20%

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

If you had to choose between finishing in 4K….or… utilizing the widest dynamic range workflow possible, which would you choose?

Well, I can tell you what a fellow animal/mammal friend and past president of the American Society of Cinematographers (for three consecutive terms, no less ) and member of the Science and Technology Council of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences chose…..… view ~19 min. 30 sec. timestamp and beyond on vimeo -

https://vimeo.com/151391193

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Great to see some reviews up. It starts!

Exciting times for sure. Kind of like the launch of Blu-ray…for those who missed that party. That said, before I have to take a conference call I’m off to the Prem thread to see what you guys are saying because I like to be well rounded and I’m caught up with this week’s action.

[jaaguir]

Originally Posted by Viking61

On Amazon they sell a 4K Mastered blu-ray version of 'Mr. Smith Goes to Washington'. So I suppose they have the resolution they need.
http://www.amazon.com/Washington-4K-Mastered-UltraViolet-Included-Digibook/dp/B00N5708NE/

Also 4K Mastered blu-ray version of 'Lawrence of Arabia'.
http://www.amazon.com/x30A2-x30E9-x30D3-Mastered-Blu-ray/dp/B00FQ6GZ9I/

Well, 35mm film stock, lenses and filters of the 1930s have nothing to do with 65mm film stock, lenses and filters of the 1960s. To make matters worse, I believe they don't have access to the original negative of "Mr. Smith.." and I'm assuming they do for "Lawrence...".

I have to think they will give "Mr. Smith..." an HDR grading, and maybe B&W will look more beautiful than ever, and that's why Sony considers it worthy of releasing it on UHD, that people will see a difference.

[carr857]

Amazon showing some UHD titles in stock

http://www.amazon.com/Salt-4K-Ultra-...eywords=4k+UHD

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Exciting times for sure. Kind of like the launch of Blu-ray…for those who missed that party. That said, before I have to take a conference call I’m off to the Prem thread to see what you guys are saying because I like to be well rounded and I’m caught up with this week’s action.

It's plenty exciting, but I feel like one of those street urchins gazing longingly through a window at all the fancy toys that he can't touch. I guess after being right there at the beginning for DVD and Blu and HD DVD I'm just feeling left out is all, and that's half of where my crabbyness in this section of the forum really comes from.

[reanimator]

If it makes you feel any better, most people here in the states are in the same boat. Technically speaking, UHD-BD doesn't officially launch until March 1. All good things to those who wait...

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

....I guess after being right there at the beginning for DVD and Blu and HD DVD I'm just feeling left out is all, and that's half of where my crabbyness in this section of the forum really comes from.

Ferreting out fact from fiction (marketing hype) is a worthy cause. Trouble is everyone tries to do it and very few (exceptions being Richard, Kris, you and other contributors to this thread) succeed at it.

That said, despite being on a championship school boy soccer team, when I see someone like Messi play, I don’t disdain the fact that I could’ve never been like him, or hell, for that matter, probably anyone in the Prem league. On the contrary, I live vicariously thru watching him (them) play. Maybe apply that principle to new device owners and it would be less painful?

If your current finances don’t allow it, then also take solace in that the next step up in next gen TV will be HFR (100/120 frame rate capture -> display) which will be of as much, or arguably greater, picture quality improvement/impact for football (which you’re also an avid fan of from reading the Prem thread), than HDR. By the time that particular parameter of the next gen equation is implemented throughout the U.K., you may well be financially capable and in burning need of upgrading your current setup which will be truly outdated by then.

If the above two pieces of free advice don’t work and you’re not named in the Will or Trust of a rich relative or unknown benefactor, well, there’s always….

[Geoff D]

I can't even do that, I'm giving my liver a rest after the excesses of Christmas.

No way I'm ever gonna treat the ramblings of most folks on here like I'm watching Messi though. One or two, sure.

[saprano]

Sheesh........if you're really feeling left out i must not give a crap about UHD seeing how i have no problem waiting this mess out. I don't feel like i'm missing out on anything. I disagree about the excitement too. It doesn't feel anyway near the same. I guess i'm jaded.

[Spike M.]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I can't even do that, I'm giving my liver a rest after the excesses of Christmas.

I'm no expert, and I think by virtue of being a college student that I'm automatically classified as a "severe alcoholic" by most definitions, but it sounds to me like you've give your liver about 7 and a half weeks more of a rest than it needs.

[JJ]

I was super excited.

Then again, I had bought the HDR 4K TV last July to prepare, and was awaiting this moment.

You know, the funny thing is - if my Panasonic ZT60 had never crapped out on me, I might be in here just like my buddy saprano - "1080p looks AWESOME on my plasma, I just dont see how anything could be better than the reference picture I'm already getting" - and I'm fully cognizant of that. Weird how life works.

And now I'm here. Also, the difference being I was only a 20yr old student when I bought into Bluray in 2007 and gave up a lot to afford a BDP then. Now, I'm a 29yr old professional, and I wasn't missing out on being one of the first!