4K Blu-ray Confirmed, Coming in

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

Scott Wilkinson reported from CES that the UHD Alliance is working on a certification program and that the minimum requirements would be the "P3/DCI color gamut, 10-bit color, 1000 nits of peak brightness, and PQ gamma (aka SMPTE ST 2084)". SMPTE ST 2084 is the HDR system that was defined in HEVC.

Yeah, I’m told that after I posted this heads-up link from techstreet for purchase of the document….https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ar#post9754213

several A/V blogger types *discovered* 2084. Prior to that, they’d never heard of it.

[Geoff D]

I've gotta say that the push for HDR has surprised me somewhat. When all this 4K malarkey started up I honestly thought that the studios and manufacturers were simply going to ignore the bigger improvements, flash a load of meaningless numbers at the public and rely on them being too ill-informed to care that they weren't getting something that was a clear step-up over HD. I've seen it happen many times before.

But with the 'UHD Alliance' it seems as if both hardware and software providers alike are looking to go further and to provide something which really *does* represent a significant improvement in terms of colour gamut, bit depth and dynamic range. For some people it's not enough unless we get 12-bit 4:4:4 XYZ @ 120fps and 10,000 nits, but for those of us who live in the real world the improvements granted by these potential 10-bit P3/2020 1000 nit HDR UHD images could still be HUGE over what we've got now.

Sony in particular have hinted at what is to come over the last couple of years, first with their Quantum Dot sets in 2013 and then their sets with "X-tended Dynamic Range" last (and indeed this) year. That's not to say that these TVs will conform to this future UHD BD standard - us early adopters are resigned to losing out, but that's the price we pay for being the ones who kickstarted the market - but Sony could definitely see which way the sands were shifting.

Still, one very interesting thing I noticed within the full tech specs of the latest 65X930C model (which have since been pulled from the website) was a scene select mode called "HDR-Video (OTA)", so even though Sony are dragging their feet over getting into bed with the UHD Alliance they're still in a prime position to oversee all of this via their lofty position within the BDA.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I've gotta say that the push for HDR has surprised me somewhat. When all this 4K malarkey started up I honestly thought that the studios and manufacturers were simply going to ignore the bigger improvements, flash a load of meaningless numbers at the public and rely on them being too ill-informed to care that they weren't getting something that was a clear step-up over HD. I've seen it happen many times before.

But with the 'UHD Alliance' it seems as if both hardware and software providers alike are looking to go further and to provide something which really *does* represent a significant improvement in terms of colour gamut, bit depth and dynamic range. For some people it's not enough unless we get 12-bit 4:4:4 XYZ @ 120fps and 10,000 nits, but for those of us who live in the real world the improvements granted by these potential 10-bit P3/2020 1000 nit HDR UHD images could still be HUGE over what we've got now.

Sony in particular have hinted at what is to come over the last couple of years, first with their Quantum Dot sets in 2013 and then their sets with "X-tended Dynamic Range" last (and indeed this) year. That's not to say that these TVs will conform to this future UHD BD standard - us early adopters are resigned to losing out, but that's the price we pay for being the ones who kickstarted the market - but Sony could definitely see which way the sands were shifting.

Still, one very interesting thing I noticed within the full tech specs of the latest 65X930C model (which have since been pulled from the website) was a scene select mode called "HDR-Video (OTA)", so even though Sony are dragging their feet over getting into bed with the UHD Alliance they're still in a prime position to oversee all of this via their lofty position within the BDA.

They need to wow right out of the gate, they need to show why peopke need to upgrade.
HDR is an easy win for them showing stuff side by side in a best buy.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

They need to wow right out of the gate, they need to show why peopke need to upgrade.
HDR is an easy win for them showing stuff side by side in a best buy.

But it shouldn't be used like contrast boosting in some catalog title transfers showing up on Blu-ray that blow out highlights and destroy detail... the whole cranking the brightness up to 11 for brightness' sake.

[dublinbluray108]

When 4K Blu player's are launched onto the market by Christmas 2015, I think it's high time that all movie studios and broadcasters around the world create a minimum standard to release all new home entertainment titles on at least a BD from now on within the next year.

With this hardware being released in that time, it should could come to a point for the studios to say that DVD's should not continue as a format and therefore be phased out on a worldwide basis if it begins to show a gradual decline in popularity. If DVD's still go on for another year or more to it's 20th year in the business, then, you have to ask the studios why do you still have to release low standard junk to the public?

A lack of technology could be a factor for certain broadcasters not to go with 4K or even BD if they cannot yet afford the technology that comes with releasing titles on HD optical discs. The state broadcaster that I have in Ireland named RTE have released any of their DVD titles on BD yet either due to a lack of money after having to service a large deficit to cover for nearly five years or through a lack of technology in their studio facilities.

The challenge for every member of the public who has DVD to adapt to BD is a going to be a hard sell to make it useful for any one of them to enjoy it.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by dublinbluray108

When 4K Blu player's are launched onto the market by Christmas 2015, I think it's high time that all movie studios and broadcasters around the world create a minimum standard to release all new home entertainment titles on at least a BD from now on within the next year.

With this hardware being released in that time, it should could come to a point for the studios to say that DVD's should not continue as a format and therefore be phased out on a worldwide basis if it begins to show a gradual decline in popularity. If DVD's still go on for another year or more to it's 20th year in the business, then, you have to ask the studios why do you still have to release low standard junk to the public?

A lack of technology could be a factor for certain broadcasters not to go with 4K or even BD if they cannot yet afford the technology that comes with releasing titles on HD optical discs. The state broadcaster that I have in Ireland named RTE have released any of their DVD titles on BD yet either due to a lack of money after having to service a large deficit to cover for nearly five years or through a lack of technology in their studio facilities.

The challenge for every member of the public who has DVD to adapt to BD is a going to be a hard sell to make it useful for any one of them to enjoy it.

The people who are still on dvd are not important, they watch streaming stuff and worse low res downloads normally on the phone or tablet.
This will be the new laserdisc, and be all the better for it.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

The people who are still on dvd are not important, they watch streaming stuff and worse low res downloads normally on the phone or tablet.
This will be the new laserdisc, and be all the better for it.

Do you remember the prices that we had to pay for laserdiscs???

[Selaboc]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

The people who are still on dvd are not important, they watch streaming stuff and worse low res downloads normally on the phone or tablet.
This will be the new laserdisc, and be all the better for it.

I hope not. Lack of mainstream support meant titles on laserdisc were near impossible to find in regular retail stores most of the time and where outrageously priced where you could find them.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

Do you remember the prices that we had to pay for laserdiscs???

Yep and I loved it! Elitism for the win lol
Seriously, look at what is going on with bd, I sell to people daily with a BD player in the house and they want the dvd version!
I am just glad the spec supports vcd still, #future

[KRW1]

Originally Posted by Selaboc

I hope not. Lack of mainstream support meant titles on laserdisc were near impossible to find in regular retail stores most of the time and where outrageously priced where you could find them.

Yeah, I don't think that's going to be an issue this time around.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by KRW1

Yeah, I don't think that's going to be an issue this time around.

They need them out and bundled with TVs and a player, force some adoption!

[Trigen]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

The people who are still on dvd are not important, they watch streaming stuff and worse low res downloads normally on the phone or tablet.
This will be the new laserdisc, and be all the better for it.

So people who buy DVD's of unreleased Blu Ray's are not important? (or is it people who just buy DVD's).

To all the UHD elitists, how many HD BR's out of your collection will you replace with UHD BR's if it becomes available?

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by Selaboc

I hope not. Lack of mainstream support meant titles on laserdisc were near impossible to find in regular retail stores most of the time and where outrageously priced where you could find them.

I don't they will ever be as expensive as laserdiscs. Laserdiscs were huge and required multiple discs to fit any movie over 2 hours. Ultra Hd Bluray shouldn't have these problems. I suspect it will be more like Bluray 3D. Not adopted by the dumb masses who can't read but supported by enthusiasts

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

I don't they will ever be as expensive as laserdiscs. Laserdiscs were huge and required multiple discs to fit any movie over 2 hours. Ultra Hd Bluray shouldn't have these problems. I suspect it will be more like Bluray 3D. Not adopted by the dumb masses who can't read but supported by enthusiasts

And how well did 3D do? Careful what you wish for.

[KRW1]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

They need them out and bundled with TVs and a player, force some adoption!

I was getting more at the point that, at least in the UK, there aren't many regular stores anymore that actually sell films. Just the one by me, Game, which has one rack of piss poor titles*. Internet sales will have to drive it.

*But I live within walking distance of no less than two well stocked record shops.

[Nightopian]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

And how well did 3D do? Careful what you wish for.

Did? Wait is 3D obsolete now? Last time I checked the majority of blockbusters released last year were 3D...seems to be doing very well...

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

And how well did 3D do? Careful what you wish for.

I don't see why Ultra Hd would do any better. But I'll support it regardless. I try to ignore what the steeple are into and buy what I like best. As long as 3D titles come out I buy them (if the movies are good and the price is fair) and it will be the same with this new format

[RedIsNotBlue]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

And how well did 3D do? Careful what you wish for.

And how well do you expect 4K to do at first? Don't get me wrong...in no way am I rooting against the format but what exactly do you think it's numbers are going to be closer to realistically? 3D Blu-ray sales or 2D Blu-ray sales? 3D is still sticking around for now it just went through a period where studios were pushing it hard for a few years and the enthusiasm level has tapered off.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by RedIsNotBlue

And how well do you expect 4K to do at first? Don't get me wrong...in no way am I rooting against the format but what exactly do you think it's numbers are going to be closer to realistically? 3D Blu-ray sales or 2D Blu-ray sales? 3D is still sticking around for now it just went through a period where studios were pushing it hard for a few years and the enthusiasm level has tapered off.

The consumer electronics industry has really soured on 3D until some technology comes along that really pushes boundaries. Their emphasis is now on other features (like better, pro-grade colors and dynamic range) that can be eye catching to a majority of consumers without the need for glasses.

I hope Ultra HD Blu-ray does well and looks and sounds as good as the list of features on paper says it could be... as it will likely be the last best physical format we ever get and much better than streaming or downloads for quite some time.

To some lay people the difference between DVD and Blu-ray may not be immediately noticeable (they're blind, but hey), but between DVD and Ultra HD Blu-ray, that may be a different story... if marketed correctly.

[Nightopian]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

The consumer electronics industry has really soured on 3D until some technology comes along that really pushes boundaries

No it hasnt. Your personal opinion doesnt speak for the entire world im afraid...