4K Blu-ray Confirmed, Coming in

[Richard Paul]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

Does anybody know what profile Ultra HD Blu-ray's will be encoded in when they use HEVC as the video codec? I'm wanting to get a NVIDIA GeForce 960 GPU, they use the GM206 GPU that has hardware encoding and decoding for HEVC, the catch though is that it only supports the Main and Main 10 profiles.

So far all information indicates that Ultra HD Blu-ray will use the Main 10 profile.

Originally Posted by bailey1987

I'm assuming that Ultra HD Blu-ray's will also include support for AVC h.264 at a profile that supports the Ultra HD specification, any idea what profile will be used if they use h.264?

The official BDA slide released in the most recent version of this HEVC presentation shows the limits for both HEVC and AVC. AVC on Ultra HD Blu-ray will have the same limits as Blu-ray.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

This rumor about Ultra HD Blu-ray was briefly posted on a website before it vanished a few hours later. Here is a quick summary of what the rumor said:

1. Ultra HD Blu-ray players will require discs to be registered online to a specific player and they can not be watched on any other player.
2. If the player can't connect to the internet than the player can only play a registered disc at standard definition resolution.
3. After being registered a disc can be changed to a different Ultra HD Blu-ray player (for a fee) but this can only be done once every two years.
4. A video watermarking system will be used.
5. A new version of AACS will be used.
6. The Ultra HD Blu-ray format might not be playable on PCs.
7. HDCP 2.2 will be required.

This is only a rumor and I am hoping this was just a joke that was released a day early.

If 1-4 are true... I'm not supporting this. No one else should either.

[Richard Paul]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

If 1-4 are true... I'm not supporting this. No one else should either.

The article had some details, such as calling the video watermarking Vidthenticity, and included a few pictures but nothing that couldn't be made in a few hours. I am hoping that this rumor is just a joke that was accidently posted a day early though some of these ideas sound like they came from the Movielabs proposal for DRM.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

This rumor about Ultra HD Blu-ray was briefly posted on a website before it vanished a few hours later. Here is a quick summary of what the rumor said:

1. Ultra HD Blu-ray players will require discs to be registered online to a specific player and they can not be watched on any other player.
2. If the player can't connect to the internet than the player can only play a registered disc at standard definition resolution.
3. After being registered a disc can be changed to a different Ultra HD Blu-ray player (for a fee) but this can only be done once every two years.
4. A video watermarking system will be used.
5. A new version of AACS will be used.
6. The Ultra HD Blu-ray format might not be playable on PCs.
7. HDCP 2.2 will be required.

This is only a rumor and I am hoping this was just a joke that was released a day early.

I thought that online authentication might rear its head: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...&postcount=433

IF it's true then I'm not surprised, because releasing content into the wild that's nearer theatrical quality (I'm thinking more of bit depth & colour space than spatial resolution) was always gonna require more trust on the studio's behalf, and if trust wasn't gonna work then a shitload of online shenanigans sure would.

Personally I don't mind the registration side of things too much, although it'll kill the second-hand market which would be a pain (I'd just have to remember to not buy crap like Smurfs 2 or That's My Boy in the first place). But once a disc is registered we shouldn't have to have the player permanently connected to the internet just to get it to play in 4K, that would suck.

[bailey1987]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

This rumor about Ultra HD Blu-ray was briefly posted on a website before it vanished a few hours later. Here is a quick summary of what the rumor said:

1. Ultra HD Blu-ray players will require discs to be registered online to a specific player and they can not be watched on any other player.
2. If the player can't connect to the internet than the player can only play a registered disc at standard definition resolution.
3. After being registered a disc can be changed to a different Ultra HD Blu-ray player (for a fee) but this can only be done once every two years.
4. A video watermarking system will be used.
5. A new version of AACS will be used.
6. The Ultra HD Blu-ray format might not be playable on PCs.
7. HDCP 2.2 will be required.

This is only a rumor and I am hoping this was just a joke that was released a day early.

Early adopters of bluray will remember that it almost had every point on that list, but, the bda backed out of it at the last minute. It was a plus for hddvd back then, the iminant threat that it could be added caused problems. HD DVD was region free and had next to no anti piracy features compared. HD DVD fans were willing Sony on to implement the restrictions.

Here's a link to a google searches for the article https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=si...T5Mo7tavamgbAN

It says there's an error if you click the link in the search.

Here's a link to the article on a site called myce http://www.myce.com/news/leaked-emai...eatures-75550/

[bailey1987]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

If 1-4 are true... I'm not supporting this. No one else should either.

Point 4 is already on HD Bluray its called BD ROM Mark.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

Point 4 is already on HD Bluray its called BD ROM Mark.

Okay, then the registration and "dial in" authentication provisions... should be aggressively protested.

[bailey1987]

I have to laugh, when I visit myce there is a advert for cloneBD.

[bailey1987]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

Okay, then the registration and "dial in" authentication provisions... should be aggressively protested.

They have been before so they likely will again.

[bailey1987]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

Okay, then the registration and "dial in" authentication provisions... should be aggressively protested.

All players will require stickers saying "requires a constant internet connection" it will be a nightmare for the uneducated who pick one up to find out it has to be connected. I have the internet, obviously, so it's not much of a problem, generally I don't really care if it's on or not. It will only really stop a pirate buying them.

Although, having to remain connected to watch a film could be a problem, my Wi-Fi does drop out from time to time. Although, on saying that, my current player is using Ethernet.

[bailey1987]

Here's something: http://advanced-television.com/2015/...king-up-speed/

So things are picking up speed and that's about it. Lol. Society of Motion Picture & Television Engineers (SMPTE), in its latest ‘Newswatch’ publication, states that the industry’s transition to 4K has “picked up considerable speed” and quoting writer Pete Putman suggests that the production of ‘ordinary’ HD TV screens is likely to cease by the end of 2016-2017

[Richard Paul]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

Point 4 is already on HD Bluray its called BD ROM Mark.

BD-ROM Mark protects against fake discs using a method that puts AACS data onto the physical disc. Video watermarking is the ability to put a watermark into the video output which could be used to identify which Ultra HD Blu-ray player was used to play the video.

[bailey1987]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

BD-ROM Mark protects against fake discs using a method that puts AACS data onto the physical disc. Video watermarking is the ability to put a watermark into the video output which could be used to identify which Ultra HD Blu-ray player was used to play the video.

I haven't read anything on it for years I was under the impression that it was a water marking feature. Well, what ever it is, I would expect that BD-ROM Mark and BD+ will see upgrades in addition to anything new.

[spectre08]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

This rumor about Ultra HD Blu-ray was briefly posted on a website before it vanished a few hours later. Here is a quick summary of what the rumor said:

1. Ultra HD Blu-ray players will require discs to be registered online to a specific player and they can not be watched on any other player.
2. If the player can't connect to the internet than the player can only play a registered disc at standard definition resolution.
3. After being registered a disc can be changed to a different Ultra HD Blu-ray player (for a fee) but this can only be done once every two years.
4. A video watermarking system will be used.
5. A new version of AACS will be used.
6. The Ultra HD Blu-ray format might not be playable on PCs.
7. HDCP 2.2 will be required.

This is only a rumor and I am hoping this was just a joke that was released a day early.

there's no chance any of 1-4 get implemented. UHD blu-ray would be DOA from day 1. BDA knows that it HAS to compete with streaming in order to have a chance, and all of the above would give it almost no advantage at all against streaming.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

The article had some details, such as calling the video watermarking Vidthenticity, and included a few pictures but nothing that couldn't be made in a few hours. I am hoping that this rumor is just a joke that was accidently posted a day early though some of these ideas sound like they came from the Movielabs proposal for DRM.

There have been…*concerns/proposals*….. for more concerted protection of UHD content originating directly from various Hollywood studios, check out Heather’s (from 20th Century Fox) comments during Day 2? of HPA in the reporter’s articles you’ve posted awhile ago in the 4K Movies Releases Thread.

I can’t recall how extensively Adam reported on that topic because I briefly skimmed your links (the day Wendy A. spoke, in particular), but if Heather’s actual presentation hasn’t made it online by now and you can’t find it, I’ll see if I can get it for you.

[AK65]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

This rumor about Ultra HD Blu-ray was briefly posted on a website before it vanished a few hours later. Here is a quick summary of what the rumor said:

1. Ultra HD Blu-ray players will require discs to be registered online to a specific player and they can not be watched on any other player.
2. If the player can't connect to the internet than the player can only play a registered disc at standard definition resolution.
3. After being registered a disc can be changed to a different Ultra HD Blu-ray player (for a fee) but this can only be done once every two years.
4. A video watermarking system will be used.
5. A new version of AACS will be used.
6. The Ultra HD Blu-ray format might not be playable on PCs.
7. HDCP 2.2 will be required.

This is only a rumor and I am hoping this was just a joke that was released a day early.

then it's DOA. MS tried something similar with Xbox One and then capitulated after backlash.

[kristoffer]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

This rumor about Ultra HD Blu-ray was briefly posted on a website before it vanished a few hours later. Here is a quick summary of what the rumor said:



1. Ultra HD Blu-ray players will require discs to be registered online to a specific player and they can not be watched on any other player.

2. If the player can't connect to the internet than the player can only play a registered disc at standard definition resolution.

3. After being registered a disc can be changed to a different Ultra HD Blu-ray player (for a fee) but this can only be done once every two years.

4. A video watermarking system will be used.

5. A new version of AACS will be used.

6. The Ultra HD Blu-ray format might not be playable on PCs.

7. HDCP 2.2 will be required.



This is only a rumor and I am hoping this was just a joke that was released a day early.

Well played.

[Rocklandsboy]

I can't believe that anyone has taken this list seriously. April Fool, fellas :-)

[richieb1971]

Operating systems need to be coded in a way that they can detect piracy. I don't see why people who pay $20-$30 a disc are penalized because of piracy. I don't understand why lots of companies are allowed to make products that allow ripping of blu rays etc. Its just a stupid situation.

If you think about it, before Windows came along in the mainstream piracy on the digital frontier was almost non existent.

So instead of these players having these silly rules they need to do this -

a) Make the discs so that no PC drive WILL EVER BE ABLE TO PLAY THEM!
b) stop drive manufacturers from ever making disc drives that will play the discs
c) make sure all UHD blu ray players have no outputs that can stream the data.

I wouldn't be surprised if Windows 10 has some kind of piracy checker built into it. Since Microsoft are allowing free upgrades from W7 to W10.. Seems a suspicious to me.. like a trap haha.

[spectre08]

Originally Posted by richieb1971

Operating systems need to be coded in a way that they can detect piracy. I don't see why people who pay $20-$30 a disc are penalized because of piracy. I don't understand why lots of companies are allowed to make products that allow ripping of blu rays etc. Its just a stupid situation.

If you think about it, before Windows came along in the mainstream piracy on the digital frontier was almost non existent.

So instead of these players having these silly rules they need to do this -

a) Make the discs so that no PC drive WILL EVER BE ABLE TO PLAY THEM!
b) stop drive manufacturers from ever making disc drives that will play the discs
c) make sure all UHD blu ray players have no outputs that can stream the data.

I wouldn't be surprised if Windows 10 has some kind of piracy checker built into it. Since Microsoft are allowing free upgrades from W7 to W10.. Seems a suspicious to me.. like a trap haha.

no thank you. If I buy a disk I should have every right to do whatever I want with it within the law. Last time I checked there was no law against me ripping CDs, DVDs, and blu-rays for my own personal use. The only time I cross the law is if I share them with other people.