4K Blu-ray Confirmed, Coming in

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by dvdwatcher

So If I pick up a player now will it play uhd bluray just not full 4k?

No. You must wait until true UHD Blu-ray players are actually released. First generation decks should be out for the Holidays. No word on pricing yet, but expect somewhat of a premium due to profit motivations.

Blu-ray players currently only play 1080p discs.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

Correct, any 4K content would be downconverted to 1080p.

There are no 4k Blu-ray players on the market. Late this year.

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

There are no 4k Blu-ray players on the market. Late this year.

Yep, I misread his post so I deleted my response. I thought he was asking about picking up a UHD BD player without having a UHD television.

[bailey1987]

Originally Posted by dvdwatcher

So I'm currently in. The hunt for a new region free player so I may as well get one that will upscale 4k right? Then down the road when I can afford it upgrade the TV to 4K.

But your saying that's differant than UHD bluray

Ultra HD Blu-ray Disc is a completely new format that delivers an Ultra HD image with 60fps, REC 2020 colour space, 10 bit colour, HDR and 4K pixels. It's out this Christmas.

[bailey1987]

Originally Posted by dvdwatcher

So If I pick up a player now will it play uhd bluray just not full 4k?

It will only play regular Blu-ray Disc's at 1080p resolution. Wait until Christmas and get a Ultra HD Blu-ray Disc Player if you can afford one.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

Ultra HD Blu-ray Disc is a completely new format that delivers an Ultra HD image with 60fps, REC 2020 colour space, 10 bit colour, HDR and 4K pixels. It's out this Christmas.

Most films and scripted TV shows will continue to be at the standard 24 fps.

Rec 2020 content is not available at this time. I expect most masters will have been graded to the DCI-P3 color space since that's the cinema standard at the moment. The data "wrapper" will continue to be Rec 2020, however.

The BDA was trying to be somewhat future "proof," and yet they did not include 48 fps support. 12 bit depths may be allowed if added through metadata for something like dual layered Dolby Vision HDR (10 bit core, 12 bit extension).

[Geoff D]

No 48fps for the same reason there's no 4K 3D: there's very little call for it from the content providers themselves.

[BluRoo98]

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

I've compared clips from Lucy from the Blu-ray and a true 4K file on a 4K projector projecting onto a 120" screen all fully calibrated. The difference between the two was fleeting at best. Like all the other 4K comparisons I've done, you have to pause and search out for the resolution differences, especially from the seated position. Mostly it is fine detail in backgrounds. Resolution at consumer TV sizes has never been an issue with Blu-ray, mastering quality and limitations of the production are typically the only issues you see.

Just to make sure I understand you correctly, are you saying that you watched a bluray (1080P) on the same screen from the same player using the same projector and you couldn't see much difference? Isn't that because the player, projector are using software to make 1080P look better? Just like a UHD TV set will do? So basically if we all got the best equipment available and calibrated it, blurays would look as good as they could? So then wouldn't this be an argument to still get 4K equipment, just not 4K content?

Just out of curiosity, what kind of projector do you run? And would one of the JVC or Sony high end projectors, truly offer little difference between your set up? I am curios because I may just go with one of those and give up on 4K so I can keep my collection. But something obviously caused you to keep upgrading, so is it truly worth it?
P.S. I have a BenQ, have you ever done a side by side comparison. Is it worth the upgrade? My other TV is a 60" panny plasma which spoiled me.

[AK65]

Probably a dumb question but does HDR exist for computer monitors yet?

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by AK65

Probably a dumb question but does HDR exist for computer monitors yet?

They aren't even sure about what HDR type is going to rule the roost yet in the consumer market. There are competing formats within the UHD spec. and not all displays will be able to adequately do all of them. It looks like Dolby Vision may be the toughest of the bunch with a possibility of 12 bit video extensions (from the 10 bit core) to make its premium version work. Of course, that would call for 12 bit panels. I don't have $10,000+ laying around for that, do you?

[Richard Paul]

Originally Posted by AK65

Probably a dumb question but does HDR exist for computer monitors yet?

The Hybrid Log-Gamma transfer function, which was made by the BBC/NHK, would be suitable for computers and might be used in the computer industry. Also the major computer companies might decide to make a HDR transfer function (or in the worst case they might make several).

[Derb]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

There are no 4k Blu-ray players on the market. Late this year.

I'm curious as to how they are gonna "roll out" these players. Like hush hush.. Or screaming at people through commercials & ads to buy 4K Now!

Probably hush hush.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Derb

I'm curious as to how they are gonna "roll out" these players. Like hush hush.. Or screaming at people through commercials & ads to buy 4K Now!

Probably hush hush.

Probably through premium retailers like Bjorn's and Magnolia via select Best Buys.

[dvdwatcher]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

It will only play regular Blu-ray Disc's at 1080p resolution. Wait until Christmas and get a Ultra HD Blu-ray Disc Player if you can afford one.

Well I'm not much for early odoption as you might notice from my signature I'm still using an old Magnovox I've had since collecting blurays. But I do want a region free player so I may just get one now and upgrade in the future if the format holds.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Along those lines of not *thinking ahead* or future-proofing assets for future delivery, but this time with regards to dynamic range (HDR) rather than spatial resolution (the past mistaken choices made with 2K DI finishing rather than opting for a 4K finish)…..

ADVICE - in order to get the full potential out of HDR, even if at the current time the studio or filmmaker doesn’t plan on an HDR version from the get-go, cinematographers should strive to shoot a ‘thick negative’ (a wide range negative) shoot in RAW and from there go thru a high quality workflow (i.e. openEXR with 16bit float) and as a finishing format rather than being diluted to a lesser quality file format (to save on costs). That way the footage can be re-purposed for the best HDR months/years from now when the HDR iteration is decided to be released.

Point being, in order to get the very best out of what HDR can offer, it’s more than just choosing one of the premiere wide gamut, wide dynamic range cameras (Sony, etc.) with a 16-bit recording format for a motion picture…..cinematographers need to shoot thick negatives and filmmakers (post house supervisors) need to preserve that dynamic range through the whole pipeline.

And what will be a good vehicle for HDR?....

ACES

So, to all colorists out there reading….



Meanwhile, another technological step forward which will help out astute cinematographers in this process is that one well known camera manufacturer is working on an ACES output proxy LUT which is to be offered in the not too distant future.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

The Hybrid Log-Gamma transfer function, which was made by the BBC/NHK...

Requires no mastering metadata which is a big advantage for broadcast (live) TV - http://www.itu.int/md/meetingdoc.asp...oration%20(BBC)

[raygendreau]

Now all we need are the standards:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-insp...2015-17545.pdf

[bailey1987]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Now all we need are the standards:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-insp...2015-17545.pdf

From the PDF:
establish a logo program for Specification certified products (i.e., content, devices and services)

I wonder if we will see a similar situation to the HD launch where by there was a HD Ready logo and then a Full HD Ready logo?

Either way at least things are progressing, I hope it's still on for this Christmas.

Thanks for the PDF.

[gkolb]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

And what will be a good vehicle for HDR?....

ACES

So, to all colorists out there reading….



Meanwhile, another technological step forward which will help out astute cinematographers in this process is that one well known camera manufacturer is working on an ACES output proxy LUT which is to be offered in the not too distant future.

Hmmm, Batman *****-slapping Robin into submission...

That A.C.E.S. must be powerful stuff.

(you creative guys are aces with me. Meanwhile, I'm off to Asia to find Ravenwood...)

[KRW1]

Twilight Time just added this to their Facebook page. Makes for some interesting reading. I agree completely that if studios just expect 4k to turn into some sort of DVD size mass format, and give us 50 First Dates as a launch title, it's going to flop hard; they need a more nuanced approach and put out product collectors actually want.

Blu-ray Producers Say Studios Should 'Shift Expectations' About Physical Media

http://homemediamagazine.com/comic-c...al-media-36233