4K Blu-ray Confirmed, Coming in

[Dreamliner330]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I wouldn't be surprised if they did look better than regular Blu on a 1080p set.

I hope so, otherwise I'll feel pretty stupid for the next couple years.

I just want the improvements of a downscaled UHD HDR BD at 1080 to max out the capabilities of my equipment. (Denon 4520, JVC RS46)

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

The bitrate will help no doubt

Makes me wonder how widespread TL discs will be at launch. How will we even know if they are TL platters?

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Makes me wonder how widespread TL discs will be at launch. How will we even know if they are TL platters?

There won't be many at all I bet.
The films are mostly smaller flicks at launch.
From what I remember colour.

[Mr. Cinema]

After seeing The Revenant today, I really hope Fox makes it a UHD day and date release.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner330

I hope so, otherwise I'll feel pretty stupid for the next couple years.

I just want the improvements of a downscaled UHD HDR BD at 1080 to max out the capabilities of my equipment. (Denon 4520, JVC RS46)

Do you have a display with HDCP 2.2 copy protection as part of its HDMI specs or an HDFury 2.2 spoofer unit (that may soon become fodder in a Hollywood studio lawsuit)?

If not, UHD Blu-ray's may not work at all in your situation (no video displayed). Better check things out first and fast if you need an HDFury. HDCP 2.2 is a must for any AACS 2.0 encrypted UHD disc, even for 1080p or lowly 720p displays.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

Do you have a display with HDCP 2.2 copy protection as part of its HDMI specs or an HDFury 2.2 spoofer unit (that may soon become fodder in a Hollywood studio lawsuit)?

If not, UHD Blu-ray's may not work at all in your situation (no video displayed). Better check things out first and fast if you need an HDFury. HDCP 2.2 is a must for any AACS 2.0 encrypted UHD disc, even for 1080p or lowly 720p displays.

It was said in internal BDA presentations that the idea was that UHD players will automatically downscale to 1080p if HDCP 2.2 is not found. Has something changed since then?

[Geoff D]

This is from early 2014, emphasis mine (slide from wikileaks). I guess the stress is on "should be allowed" when it comes to the downconverted 1.4 output, it wasn't set in stone at that point:

[Geoff D]

^ note the internal reference to 1080p as being "2K", these terms are simply accepted shorthand within the industry so the pedants need to chill

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema

After seeing The Revenant today, I really hope Fox makes it a UHD day and date release.

All fox releases after the March 1st release will be released in 4k with hdr. I'll be anxiously waiting to pick this movie up.

[saprano]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

Do you have a display with HDCP 2.2 copy protection as part of its HDMI specs or an HDFury 2.2 spoofer unit (that may soon become fodder in a Hollywood studio lawsuit)?

If not, UHD Blu-ray's may not work at all in your situation (no video displayed). Better check things out first and fast if you need an HDFury. HDCP 2.2 is a must for any AACS 2.0 encrypted UHD disc, even for 1080p or lowly 720p displays.

Doesn't say anything about that here

http://www.uhdbdinnumbers.com/

Ultra HD Blu-ray players will play all current Blu-ray Disc content. When connected to a current HDTV television, the player will output a standard HDTV signal. Ultra HD Blu-ray players will support existing Blu-ray media, as well as provide down conversion and HDR to SDR conversion functionality to match the connected television's capabilities

It would of been mentioned in asterisk if that was the case.

Then again, i wouldn't be surprised if 4KBD's got blocked from playing on 1080p displays. Why would they want us lovingly benefiting from 4K sources with significantly higher bitrates. Go buy that new hardware!

[Richard Paul]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

David, PLEASE ask about the downconversion aspects of the players if you can. HDR is all well and good but there are a LOT of legacy 4K owners out there who would love to know just how well the downconversion to SDR will be performed, whether it can retain the WCG, the bit depth etc.

It would be nice to know more about the downconversion abilities of the Ultra HD Blu-ray players that are getting released.

Originally Posted by Lyris

I can kind of answer that now. Down converting HDR to legacy displays is a Mandatory part of the BD-FE/UHD BD spec. However it's up to the manufacturer to implement it as they see fit so I imagine in the early days, we'll see some quality variation here between players.

It's kind of at odds with regular BD where most players, at least with 1080p, were incredibly similar, or ideally, identical. There's more room to differentiate with this feature.

Samsung were demoing their player's ability to do this behind closed doors at CES.

While HDR to SDR conversion is mandatory how can a video processor know how to compress the dynamic range of a video signal by 20,000:1 using only static metadata? Personally I am skeptical that the HDR10 version of the movie will match the quality of a professionally graded SDR version of the movie when displayed on a SDR display.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

While HDR to SDR conversion is mandatory how can a video processor know how to compress the dynamic range of a video signal by 20,000:1 using only static metadata? Personally I am skeptical that the HDR10 version of the movie will match the quality of a professionally graded SDR version of the movie when displayed on a SDR display.

Hey Richard, mike has no problem with HDR -> SDR conversions, static metadata or not, as he has experience…..https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...r#post11359771

sorry, mike, linking your post ^ was too good to resist.

[eriaur]

Fox UK discs

@FoxHomeEnt: we will have our first round of discs in market with the new players.

[eriaur]

edit, double thread

[m3racer123]

Originally Posted by eriaur

Fox UK discs

@FoxHomeEnt: we will have our first round of discs in market with the new players.

Question is, when will the players be released in the UK?
Here's the twitter link btw: https://twitter.com/FinnJ/status/686001562791981056

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by m3racer123

Question is, when will the players be released in the UK?
Here's the twitter link btw: https://twitter.com/FinnJ/status/686001562791981056

Chicken, egg, etc.

[Dex Robinson]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Chicken, egg, etc.

North Americans over a certain age will be reminded of that old TV commercial with kids sitting around the table with a bowl of a new brand of breakfast cereal:

You try it first".

No. YOU try it first".

[eriaur]

Originally Posted by m3racer123

Question is, when will the players be released in the UK?
Here's the twitter link btw: https://twitter.com/FinnJ/status/686001562791981056

with the new TVs.

edit: didn't find Samsung UK release date

[elwaylite]

Dec '15 Widescreen Review (sorry, just now reading it), as many of us realize.

"Ultra HD TV Has A Problem"

"The ugly truth about Ultra HD is that the increase in resolution isn't worth it for the vast majority of home theatre enthusiasts"

"There is a steep improvement in Ultra HD Video, however, but it derives from other properties: HDR and WCG".

[elwaylite]

On another note, Joe Kane in the latest Widescreen Review:

"If you want to be an early adopter of HDR, a good starting point would be a set that can do HDR-10, including P3 color on a 10 bit panel with a light output of at least 750 nits".

I think only the FALD Samsungs and Sony's hit that right now, but my 930C can get pretty bright in the 400-500 nit range. I'm more concerned with 10bit, P3 and HDR10, which it will do.

He also alludes that currently the OLED's are doing things to hurt real PQ trying to hit the higher light output.