4K Blu-ray Confirmed, Coming in

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Brightstar

I have movies on dvd that might never come out on blu ray let alone UHD

I still have LaserDiscs of films unavailable on DVD!

[raygendreau]

I had read, in the Digital Bridge proposals that a 1:1 “UHD BR” copy could be made to internal or external storage, and to external flash media, but without subtitles and only one lossless audio codec (presumably including a choice between DTS-X, Dolby Atmos.TrueHD, DTS HDMA ) Here is a confirmation that DTS-X will be available for that purpose:

“DTS:X is an object-based immersive audio platform similar to Dolby Atmos. Fore more information, check out our DTS:X Home Theater Guide. The DTS:X Encoder offers the ability to create both legacy DTS-HD and next-generation DTS:X audio bitstreams. In addition to standard Blu-ray disc creation tools, Scenarist is also integrating the DTS Digital Bridge Tool Suite into the Scenarist UHD system being developed to support Ultra HD Blu-ray. This new feature will allow end-users to legitimately export Blu-ray and Ultra HD Blu-ray content to secure storage devices like hard drives and thumb-drives.”

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/sh...-systems/22469

[aaranmcr]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

I still have LaserDiscs of films unavailable on DVD!

Ive ripped to htpc and gone fully digital. I love physical and great packaging but i think the future is pretty grim for people like us so im unfortunately looking at a different path. (Dont hate me)

[aaranmcr]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

I had read, in the Digital Bridge proposals that a 1:1 “UHD BR” copy could be made to internal or external storage, and to external flash media, but without subtitles and only one lossless audio codec (presumably including a choice between DTS-X, Dolby Atmos.TrueHD, DTS HDMA ) Here is a confirmation that DTS-X will be available for that purpose:

“DTS:X is an object-based immersive audio platform similar to Dolby Atmos. Fore more information, check out our DTS:X Home Theater Guide. The DTS:X Encoder offers the ability to create both legacy DTS-HD and next-generation DTS:X audio bitstreams. In addition to standard Blu-ray disc creation tools, Scenarist is also integrating the DTS Digital Bridge Tool Suite into the Scenarist UHD system being developed to support Ultra HD Blu-ray. This new feature will allow end-users to legitimately export Blu-ray and Ultra HD Blu-ray content to secure storage devices like hard drives and thumb-drives.”

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/sh...-systems/22469

How practical could that be thought. 66gb to 100gb per film! I could rival dropbox for storage with the amount of films id need to store at those sizes.. Im in limbo right now.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by aaranmcr

How practical could that be thought. 66gb to 100gb per film! I could rival dropbox for storage with the amount of films id need to store at those sizes.. Im in limbo right now.

You could easily put 50-60 movies on a 4TB hard drive, so I would say it's very practical. Especially if one is able to interchange multiple hard drives with a player, or use a particular hard drive with multiple players.

[raygendreau]

So why DTS-X with UHD video on a flash drive, you ask?

DTS:X and DTS Headphone:X Technology - Object-based Audio - CES 2015 - YouTube

[Kirsty_Mc]

Originally Posted by kristoffer

What do you think will be some of the first films?

I reckon we will see Edge of Tomorrow and Oblivion among the first wave.

From memory, Oblivion was shot on Alexa, so the source material is not 4K. .

[samukas]

Originally Posted by Kirsty_Mc

From memory, Oblivion was shot on Alexa, so the source material is not 4K. .

According to IMDB, Red Epic and Sony F65
F65 RAW (4K) (source format)
Redcode RAW (5K) (source format)

[BozQ]

Oblivion was shot in 4K, primarily with the Sony Cinealta F65.

Unfortunately, the DI, visual effects and master are all in 2K. Simply because Universal didn't want to invest in a 4K work flow. What a shame.

[Kirsty_Mc]

Memory fault! Hopefully.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by aaranmcr

Agreed but there are different levels. Its like they crank it up to 100% when a subtle 30% would be better

maybe, but that is immaterial, they decided (to use your analogy) to crank it to 100% instead of 30%. If they wanted it to be at 30% or even 0% they would have created the film that way. If it is scrubbed off so that the cable company can pass the film with very little BW on their part, that ruins the art that was created.

[aaranmcr]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

maybe, but that is immaterial, they decided (to use your analogy) to crank it to 100% instead of 30%. If they wanted it to be at 30% or even 0% they would have created the film that way. If it is scrubbed off so that the cable company can pass the film with very little BW on their part, that ruins the art that was created.

I do like some grain but not to the degree some use it. When i see a heavily grained film i think or a child learning to paint with bright garish colours. Or an amateur ilustrator using their fav filter on every piece of work they do regardless of if it even fits the image. Art is objective.

[aaranmcr]

Originally Posted by aaranmcr

I do like some grain but not to the degree some use it. When i see a heavily grained film i think or a child learning to paint with bright garish colours. Or an amateur ilustrator using their fav filter on every piece of work they do regardless of if it even fits the image. Art is objective.

Anyway ignore me. Id bore everyone to death about it.

[harpolini]

I see 4K more as an enthusiasts extension of blu-ray. I just want an image that has no tinkering.

It would be nice to have a middle ground, almost like a built in darbee so people can add as much EE as they want, or maybe a better DNR filter, so those who prefer the grain out can have it out.

But I want to image to be presented as intended. To be manipulated as the user sees fit. We all have our preferences towards grain, sharpness, color timing. This should be the format that gives the user the tools.

[aaranmcr]

An awesome idea.. god forbid the powers that be give the consumer any kind of control. Gits.

[Teazle]

Apologies if this has been covered before. I recall Penton reporting industry experiments (sorry no link; I'm lazy) suggesting limitations due to eye strain. IIRC these were tested on puny <= 85" TVs with bias lighting.

Now if I watch in pitch darkness on a projection screen (currently 188" diag, viewing about 10.5' back), supposing I upgrade source and PJ, is it even possible to enjoy HDR without burning my eyes out? ATM I want to get black levels lower (always natch) but as for brightness peaks, umm... Intuitively my existing PJ looks plenty bright; I don't see how HDR can help in this environment.

What am I missing here? What's the point of all this much-touted HDR except for bias lighting in dim rooms?

Or if I can't watch full-range HDR in the dark, how far can I exceed SDR without vision problems?

TIA

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Teazle

Apologies if this has been covered before. I recall Penton reporting industry experiments (sorry no link; I'm lazy) suggesting limitations due to eye strain. IIRC these were tested on puny >= 85" TVs with bias lighting.

Now if I watch in pitch darkness on a projection screen (currently 188" diag, viewing about 10.5' back), supposing I upgrade source and PJ, is it even possible to enjoy HDR without burning my eyes out? ATM I want to get black levels lower (always natch) but as for brightness peaks, umm... Intuitively my existing PJ looks plenty bright; I don't see how HDR can help in this environment.

What am I missing here? What's the point of all this much-touted HDR except for bias lighting in dim rooms?

Or if I can't watch full-range HDR in the dark, how far can I exceed SDR without vision problems?

TIA

What HDR is supposed to do (if done properly and not abused as a means to PUMP THE BRIGHTNESS AND CONTRAST TO ELEVEN) is allow for more detail in bright areas of the screen without over exposure (no more blown out, smudged whites) and greater detail into the darker, shadowy areas of the image (no more murky, noisy blacks).

It's what digital cameras (both stills and motion) could capture for some time now and to some extent film based media, but consumer displays were unable to reproduce. The dynamic range is greater at both extremes of the video scale and cinematographers have greater latitude while filming.

[Dylan34]

Originally Posted by harpolini

I see 4K more as an enthusiasts extension of blu-ray. I just want an image that has no tinkering.

It would be nice to have a middle ground, almost like a built in darbee so people can add as much EE as they want, or maybe a better DNR filter, so those who prefer the grain out can have it out.

But I want to image to be presented as intended. To be manipulated as the user sees fit. We all have our preferences towards grain, sharpness, color timing. This should be the format that gives the user the tools.

In a perfect world maybe, but since that's not going to be happening (although a rather good idea) there needs to be no manipulation what so ever. This format needs to be as true to the source as humanly possible!! Especially since only the majority of us enthusiasts are going to be investing in this new format.

[Rocklandsboy]

Blu-ray was an enthusiasts format. In many ways it still is. There is zero chance at that UHD will be unmanipulated. In fact I can well believe that there will be MORE tinkering to make non-native images look good at 4K. Lower your expectations!

[raygendreau]

A new article from Whathifi Pulls together what is known to date.

http://www.whathifi.com/news/ultra-h...u-need-to-know

Re pricing for the new UHD BR players. The closest equivalent players are the PS4 and Xbox 1, which are around $400. So, two to three times would be a price range of $800 to $1,200. This assumes that the UHD-BR players have internal storage. Take $200 off the price range if they don't.