4K Blu-ray Confirmed, Coming in

[jono3000]

Originally Posted by KRW1

Twilight Time just added this to their Facebook page. Makes for some interesting reading. I agree completely that if studios just expect 4k to turn into some sort of DVD size mass format, and give us 50 First Dates as a launch title, it's going to flop hard; they need a more nuanced approach and put out product collectors actually want.

Blu-ray Producers Say Studios Should 'Shift Expectations' About Physical Media

http://homemediamagazine.com/comic-c...al-media-36233

Good read. The Digital Bits also posted this.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by KRW1

if studios just expect 4k to turn into some sort of DVD size mass format

They don’t. They have very modest expectations with/for Ultra HD Blu-ray.

Originally Posted by KRW1

Twilight Time

It’s a pity that boutique contractors like Twilight Time have been at the mercy of studio executives….https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ve#post9553148

and always will be.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by KRW1

Twilight Time just added this to their Facebook page. Makes for some interesting reading. I agree completely that if studios just expect 4k to turn into some sort of DVD size mass format, and give us 50 First Dates as a launch title, it's going to flop hard; they need a more nuanced approach and put out product collectors actually want.

Blu-ray Producers Say Studios Should 'Shift Expectations' About Physical Media

http://homemediamagazine.com/comic-c...al-media-36233

Thanks for that. I never looked at it this way, but physical movie media became a victim of its own success: DVD exploded so big and so quickly that nothing was gonna top it, not least something that ma and pa average can't tell apart from DVD on their 42" TV from 12 feet away. Some folks keep saying that UHD BD will be a niche like Laserdisc but we really are at that stage already with regular Blu-ray, where it's the boutique labels that are pushing the format forward with all kinds of neat stuff while the studios just endlessly repackage and rehash their biggest catalogue sellers. UHD BD can fit into that 'collector' spectrum if it's given the right care and attention out of the gate, but seeing as it's the studios rather than the indies who will be supporting the format to begin with, I just hope they don't make the same mistakes again. As mentioned above, a bunch of Adam Sandler movies ain't gonna cut it.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by gkolb

(you creative guys are aces with me. Meanwhile, I'm off to Asia to find Ravenwood...)

Always improving.....https://groups.google.com/forum/?fro...um/AcademyACES

[bailey1987]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

As mentioned above, a bunch of Adam Sandler movies ain't gonna cut it.

Agreed, although I have only ever seen Little Nicky and the golf one, I would personally like at least a handfull of my favourites along side Adam Sadlers catalogue.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by KRW1

Twilight Time just added this to their Facebook page. Makes for some interesting reading. I agree completely that if studios just expect 4k to turn into some sort of DVD size mass format, and give us 50 First Dates as a launch title, it's going to flop hard; they need a more nuanced approach and put out product collectors actually want.

Blu-ray Producers Say Studios Should 'Shift Expectations' About Physical Media

http://homemediamagazine.com/comic-c...al-media-36233

If Blu-ray was marketed as a niche format from the start we might have a larger percentage of quality transfers and a larger percentage of titles with good extras, but we'd have way less titles available and that would be much worse. Blu-ray's so called "mistakes" have made tens of thousands of titles available.

[Dylan34]

Originally Posted by KRW1

Twilight Time just added this to their Facebook page. Makes for some interesting reading. I agree completely that if studios just expect 4k to turn into some sort of DVD size mass format, and give us 50 First Dates as a launch title, it's going to flop hard; they need a more nuanced approach and put out product collectors actually want.

Blu-ray Producers Say Studios Should 'Shift Expectations' About Physical Media

http://homemediamagazine.com/comic-c...al-media-36233

That was a great read!!! hopefully the studios do learn from their mistakes with blu-ray so that UHD blu-ray can serve US better. The ones that have been there out of the gate supporting the hidef formats, and that's including those of us that supported HD-DVD too. Basically, everyone who's a member of this site and others!!

[KRW1]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

If Blu-ray was marketed as a niche format from the start we might have a larger percentage of quality transfers and a larger percentage of titles with good extras, but we'd have way less titles available and that would be much worse. Blu-ray's so called "mistakes" have made tens of thousands of titles available.

I don't think anyone would suggest bluray should have been a niche product from the start; it's been far from a flop, most people I know have a player, they just buy less discs than they used to. With 4k, I think it's all different - different market and different competition.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by KRW1

I don't think anyone would suggest bluray should have been a niche product from the start; it's been far from a flop, most people I know have a player, they just buy less discs than they used to. With 4k, I think it's all different - different market and different competition.

One of the panel members in the article suggested exactly that.

Originally Posted by http://homemediamagazine.com/comic-con/blu-ray-producers-say-studios-should-shift-expectations-about-physical-media-36233

“Blu-ray should never have been marketed as a mass product,” Stephenson said.

Whether or not UHD Blu-ray meets studio expectations I don't see the disadvantage for consumers in trying to mass market it. Even if the studios see UHD Blu-ray as a failure once the technology is out it isn't likely to go away. If they see it as a failure there won't be a lot of titles made, but if it was originally marketed as a niche format it wouldn't have many titles made anyway.

At this point no physical format has completely stopped production before a better (or at least comparable) format came along. Laser Discs were made until DVD came out. D-Theater tapes were made until HD DVD and Blu-ray came out.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

If Blu-ray was marketed as a niche format from the start we might have a larger percentage of quality transfers and a larger percentage of titles with good extras, but we'd have way less titles available and that would be much worse. Blu-ray's so called "mistakes" have made tens of thousands of titles available.

Absolutely. I don't know if the past five years have been good for studios or distributors but they've been awfully damn good for me

[KRW1]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

One of the panel members in the article suggested exactly that.



Whether or not UHD Blu-ray meets studio expectations I don't see the disadvantage for consumers in trying to mass market it. Even if the studios see UHD Blu-ray as a failure once the technology is out it isn't likely to go away. If they see it as a failure there won't be a lot of titles made, but if it was originally marketed as a niche format it wouldn't have many titles made anyway.

At this point no physical format has completely stopped production before a better (or at least comparable) format came along. Laser Discs were made until DVD came out. D-Theater tapes were made until HD DVD and Blu-ray came out.

I must have missed that fellow but yeah, I disagree too. A lot of people buy what I consider to be odd discs like stand up comedy and the Top Gear things, but the market supports them and me. Or at least it did, the masses of obviously old shop stock of the multiple titles I see over and over again in second hand shops makes me think the people that they thought would buy Misfits S4 or Peter Kay Live At The Tower simply wont bother for 4k. Who knows? I can stream all of, say, Misfits, for free at the touch of a button now. That wasn't the case in 2007, or at least it was slightly more difficult to do.

I only jumped into Bluray when Close Encounters came out. Hardly a niche title, I don't think, and it was a nice complete package and I thought I'd never have to buy it again. Ironically, initially I was reluctant to upgrade because I was told, over and over, Bluray would only ever be a format for Hollywood films and cult films were simply too niche to be ever released on the format. This is one of the reasons I'm reluctant to take or seriously make any bold predictions with 4k. I'm looking forward to seeing what happens is about as firm as I get.

[SeffBlu]

I don't know how the studios feel on the subject, nor will I listen to predictions until it plays out, but I don't see the point in paying money for a digital copy of a film. I know I'll get loads of flak for this (I buy new Blu-rays almost every week), but why click on the "Buy" button on my Apple TV when I can almost as easily visit a website and click download to torrent it?

That's why studios should keep putting out physical media. People like me still exist.

[Marcos1408]

I am curious about some movies that were shot digitally on 2.8k like X-Men Days of future Past and Mad Max... It is possible that they will be released on 4k bluray?

[KRW1]

Originally Posted by SeffBlu

I don't know how the studios feel on the subject, nor will I listen to predictions until it plays out, but I don't see the point in paying money for a digital copy of a film. I know I'll get loads of flak for this (I buy new Blu-rays almost every week), but why click on the "Buy" button on my Apple TV when I can almost as easily visit a website and click download to torrent it?

That's why studios should keep putting out physical media. People like me still exist.

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[Mavrick]

Maybe want to walk away from the Torrent discussion, the site doesn't take kindly to that

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Marcos1408

I am curious about some movies that were shot digitally on 2.8k like X-Men Days of future Past and Mad Max... It is possible that they will be released on 4k bluray?

A lot of the stuff on UHD Blu-ray will be upconverts from 2k or 2.8k masters. Not a lot of studios have end-to-end 4k workflows. Even Sony has a lot of upconverts for 4k DI's.

What you will get are other benefits taken from the pro world over and above regular Blu-ray.

[spectre08]

Originally Posted by Marcos1408

I am curious about some movies that were shot digitally on 2.8k like X-Men Days of future Past and Mad Max... It is possible that they will be released on 4k bluray?

it's possible, because 2.8k still has more data than blu-ray can handle. They'll look better than blu-ray, but not as good as proper 4K movies.

almost all of the movies that have been shot with the 2.8K Arri cameras though were downsampled to 2K for DI though, which is the bigger problem.

[Spike M.]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

A lot of the stuff on UHD Blu-ray will be upconverts from 2k or 2.8k masters. Not a lot of studios have end-to-end 4k workflows. Even Sony has a lot of upconverts for 4k DI's.

What you will get are other benefits taken from the pro world over and above regular Blu-ray.

That, and the fact that 2.8K is double the resolution of 2K.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by octagon

Absolutely. I don't know if the past five years have been good for studios or distributors but they've been awfully damn good for me

Despite Blu-ray Monday morning quarterback video strategists at ComicCon or other venues who have relatively modest personal financial success (which is where it really counts in life ) to show for their expert business acumen, I’m quite happy with the success of Blu-ray, given all the challenges.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Despite Blu-ray Monday morning quarterback video strategists at ComicCon or other venues who have relatively modest personal financial success (which is where it really counts in life ) to show for their expert business acumen, I’m quite happy with the success of Blu-ray, given all the challenges.

But there are still far too many cinema classics languishing in the vaults to be completely happy. Perhaps some are even rotting away into oblivion because some of the studios don't think they'll make any money by restoring them and releasing them to HD video or even the art house circuit.

That's f-d up thinking on their part - do nothing good until you can attach a dollar figure to it - a phenomenon happening at far too many corporations nowadays.