4K Blu-ray Confirmed, Coming in

[Derb]

Originally Posted by bluearth

Sorry Im referring to the reality creation's 'upscaling', if thats what its called. I have it set all the way to 100. It produces some geometric artifacts that are more readily visible on lower quality cable box signals, so the solution for me is to simply sit further away. On bluray these imperfections are smaller so I can sit within 6-7 feet and not really notice them.

Im still trying to figure the TV out. The settings are confusing. One minute you think you have a good picture the next you messed it up.

Unless Im reading it wrong the caption on the TV says reality creation only works with 24hz blurays. Which of course isnt true as I got it working with cable box movies which now look much better. Not sure if they changed that with an update or whatever. Its a 70"

Your TV is a newer model then mine, so thats probably where some of the confusion is coming from.

I owned that model & am using a 900b now.

Here is my secret sauce.

Custom 4K/3D

Scene Select - Cinema 1
Backlight - 5
Picture - 76
Brightness - 48
Colour - 54
Hue - 0
Colour Temp. - Warm 2
Sharpness - 62
Noise Reduction - Off
MPEG Noise - Off
Dot Noise - Off
Reality Creation - Manual
Resolution - 65
Noise Filtering - Min
Smooth Gradation - Off
Motion flow - True Cinema
CineMotion - Auto
Black Corrector - Medium
Advanced Contrast Enhancer - High
Gamma - 0
LED Dynamic Control - Standard
Auto Light Dimmer - Off
Clear White - Off
Live Colour - Off
Detail Enhancer - High
Edge Enhancer - Off
Skin Naturalizer - Off
Display Speed - Off

White Balance - = Minus
RG -8
GG -10
BG -2
RB -7
GB -3
BB -2

Power Saving - Low
Light Sensor - Off

[spectre08]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

What is the relationship between the UHD Alliance and the UltraHD Forum? They are using the same address:

http://www.ultrahdforum.org/BOD%20Members.html

http://www.uhdalliance.org/contact-us/

I don't know, but they both need to hire a good web developer. Those websites are geocities bad

[bailey1987]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

What is the relationship between the UHD Alliance and the UltraHD Forum? They are using the same address:

http://www.ultrahdforum.org/BOD%20Members.html

http://www.uhdalliance.org/contact-us/

Well spotted, I can only assume that they will announce a merger if they haven't merged already.

[Dylan34]

Originally Posted by Derb

I owned that model & am using a 900b now.

Here is my secret sauce.

Custom 4K/3D

Scene Select - Cinema 1
Backlight - 5
Picture - 76
Brightness - 48
Colour - 54
Hue - 0
Colour Temp. - Warm 2
Sharpness - 62
Noise Reduction - Off
MPEG Noise - Off
Dot Noise - Off
Reality Creation - Manual
Resolution - 65
Noise Filtering - Min
Smooth Gradation - Off
Motion flow - True Cinema
CineMotion - Auto
Black Corrector - Medium
Advanced Contrast Enhancer - High
Gamma - 0
LED Dynamic Control - Standard
Auto Light Dimmer - Off
Clear White - Off
Live Colour - Off
Detail Enhancer - High
Edge Enhancer - Off
Skin Naturalizer - Off
Display Speed - Off

White Balance - = Minus
RG -8
GG -10
BG -2
RB -7
GB -3
BB -2

Power Saving - Low
Light Sensor - Off

Is that pro calibrated or a disc?

[Derb]

Originally Posted by Dylan34

Is that pro calibrated or a disc?

That's my secret sauce.

It's a universal Sony calibration I found through one of their handhelds you would not believe. It's not room lit specific so no it's not custom pro to those advance calibrated techniques.

I think there are around 30 different settings there that if not set exactly as that above, will throw off your color so finding that white balance through trial & error took me around a week to get.

Eat it Joe Kane!

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by bluearth

Sorry Im referring to the reality creation's 'upscaling', if thats what its called. I have it set all the way to 100. It produces some geometric artifacts that are more readily visible on lower quality cable box signals, so the solution for me is to simply sit further away. On bluray these imperfections are smaller so I can sit within 6-7 feet and not really notice them.

Im still trying to figure the TV out. The settings are confusing. One minute you think you have a good picture the next you messed it up.

Unless Im reading it wrong the caption on the TV says reality creation only works with 24hz blurays. Which of course isnt true as I got it working with cable box movies which now look much better. Not sure if they changed that with an update or whatever. Its a 70"

Your TV is a newer model then mine, so thats probably where some of the confusion is coming from.

Jesus H Christ, you've got the Reality Creation up at 100!?! I don't use it whatsoever on my 55X9005B. As for the 24Hz thing, you're confusing the Mastered in 4K setting for the Reality Creation in general. You can't turn on Mi4K without turning on RC first, that much is true, but you can have RC without Mi4K, i.e. on any source you darned well like.

The Mi4K setting is bullshit in general (it's just passing through single pixel 1080p detail which is filtered on the normal settings apart from in Game scene select) and, as Dylan rightly said, the 4K upscaling is actually on all the time, otherwise a 1080p signal would literally occupy a quarter of the screen and an SD source would be the size of a matchbox or thereabouts. The RC is there to add more processing on top of the standard upscaling.

As people said to you when you first posted in here with your "Blu-ray looks TERRIBLE!!!" comments, you've got to sort out your settings because whacking everything up to maximum will look like utter garbage.

These are my current settings in conjunction with the DVDO iScan Mini scaler. I find they give me a beautifully detailed and nuanced picture with none of the harshness that LCD is accused of having, and the colour accuracy, greyscale tracking and colour temperature are dead on, with brightness measured as 120 cd/m² in line with current SMPTE recommendations. I know that most people would run screaming from setting their TV like this because it won't melt their eyeballs with the overbearing brightness and sharpness and colour that folks usually want/expect out of a TV. Fair play to ya if that's what you're after, it's your dime, but my TV's PQ looks absolutely wonderful to me, almost plasma-like in some respects. It makes a well mastered DVD sing so very sweetly, never mind a Blu-ray.

Scene Select - Cinema 1
Backlight - 1
Picture - 82
Brightness - 49
Colour - 47
Hue - 0
Colour Temp. - Warm 2
Sharpness - 45
Noise Reduction - OFF
MPEG Noise - OFF
Dot Noise - OFF
Reality Creation - OFF
Smooth Gradation - OFF
Motion flow - OFF
CineMotion - Auto
Black Corrector - OFF
Advanced Contrast Enhancer - OFF
Gamma - -1
LED Dynamic Control - Standard
Auto Light Dimmer - OFF
Clear White - OFF
Live Colour - Low
Detail Enhancer - OFF
Edge Enhancer - OFF
Skin Naturalizer - OFF
Display Speed - OFF

white balance:

red gain 0
green gain 0
blue gain 0
red bias +1
green bias 0
blue bias -7

[bailey1987]

HEVCAdvance looks to be moving forward:

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...300116785.html

[AK65]

http://blog.streamingmedia.com/2015/...nt-owners.html

0.5% of revenue seems ridiculously greedy.

[Derb]

Originally Posted by AK65

http://blog.streamingmedia.com/2015/...nt-owners.html

0.5% of revenue seems ridiculously greedy.

What HEVC Advance doesn’t grasp is that this approach of trying to get a share of content owners revenues has been tried in the past and failed miserably. MPEG-4 Part 2, the original MPEG-4 video compression that pre-dated AVC failed in the market because of this licensing approach.

This..

[Geoff D]

Well, while I'm not crying that the likes of Apple, Facebook, Amazon would have to offer up a lil' bit more of their gargantuan revenues to HEVC Advance, it's yet another hurdle in the path of UHD BD.

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Well, while I'm not crying that the likes of Apple, Facebook, Amazon would have to offer up a lil' bit more of their gargantuan revenues to HEVC Advance, it's yet another hurdle in the path of UHD BD.

And those providers would just pass that cost on to the consumers.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

And those providers would just pass that cost on to the consumers.

Bingo.

[Richard Paul]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

HEVCAdvance looks to be moving forward:

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...300116785.html

HEVC Advance is greedy but something I personally dislike about the HEVC Advance license is that it promotes 8-bit video since it increases the price of the decoder depending on the quality of the HEVC profile that is used. Their tiered price structure even charges extra for optional HEVC features which might include features that are related to HDR and WCG.

Originally Posted by AK65

http://blog.streamingmedia.com/2015/...nt-owners.html

0.5% of revenue seems ridiculously greedy.

I think that will turn out to be a mistake since that would be tens of millions of dollars per year for each of the major video companies (Amazon, Apple, Charter, Comcast, Cox, DirecTV, Disk Network, Netflix, etc...). HEVC Advance has given those companies a very good reason to start looking into other video standards.

[bailey1987]

Here's something:

http://thedigitalbits.com/columns/my...ts/072315_1800

The Digital Bits have conducted an interview with the BDA

In all honesty there isn't much to learn from the interview, digital copy is confirmed to be bit for bit:

Please detail how digital bridge feature works. And how widely will it be included in first gen players?

A: There are two digital bridge features, copy and export. Copy permits a bit for bit copy to be stored on an authorized attached media drive. Export allows files to be transferred to an authorized mobile device. It is up to individual manufacturers to determine how broadly they wish to deploy digital bridge in the their products. We anticipate hosting a future Webinar specifically on digital bridge later this year.


other than that the only other thing that caught my attention was that hardware demos could be seen shortly after licensing commences, which is any minute now.

[Geoff D]

And, as if it needed any further underlining:

Q: Are there any plans to incorporate 3D into the UHD BD spec as an add-on?

A (Victor Matsuda): No. Not at this time. Currently there is no 4K theatrical 3D content.

People still kept asking the question though

[MisterXDTV]

What an interview!

Everything was "No, we don't know, it's up to the product, Ask the studios"

Just what I expected......

Format doomed before it even comes out.....

[Derb]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

What an interview!

Everything was "No, we don't know, it's up to the product, Ask the studios"

Just what I expected......

Format doomed before it even comes out.....

I'm still looking for the source of UHD from the Internet with no luck.

[dublinbluray108]

The one figure that struck me was the 90% penetration rate for Blu-ray in current HDTV households.

Is that statistic for the U.S. only or is it worldwide?

[bruceames]

90 percent does seem a little high. What's the percentage of homes that have HDTV? I guess it would have to be quite high also, at least by now. If so, then it's obvious that a lot of people who own Blu-ray players aren't buying Blu-rays to feed them.

I hope Bill has a 'part 2' today, where he addresses the question we all want to know the answer to; the details of the copy protection to be used. Or maybe that's question not to be asked.

Edit: Just thought that they must be including the XB1 and PS3/PS4s in that 90%. Still seems high though...

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

Edit: Just thought that they must be including the XB1 and PS3/PS4s in that 90%. Still seems high though...

IIRC, those devices do get counted as a BD player.