4K Blu-ray Confirmed, Coming in

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

There's no HDR when I'm sitting in the stands, at certain times of the year the sun gets real low and I can barely see the action for the sun in my eyes, never mind the eagle!

No HDR? Can I move there?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

There's no HDR when I'm sitting in the stands, at certain times of the year the sun gets real low and I can barely see the action for the sun in my eyes, never mind the eagle!

more the better to get a next-gen TV.....in due course.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

No HDR? Can I move there?

Mike, resistance is futile… u can’t get away from it…..as it’s EVERYWHERE …..

InSight IBC 2015 Technicolor - YouTube

using every solution imaginable - http://www.itu.int/md/R12-WP6C-C-0495/en

and now, from almost month to month being constantly promoted…err presented, at conferences (SMPTE, IBC, NAB, etc.) and seminars (in this case moderated by Carolyn of THR…. http://www.advancedimagingsociety.co...x?webpage=4543 <- quite a deal for our local student filmmakers (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/fea...schools-811367 )

[singhcr]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

There's no HDR when I'm sitting in the stands, at certain times of the year the sun gets real low and I can barely see the action for the sun in my eyes, never mind the eagle!

I remember I was watching an NBA basketball game with a friend of mine. We had nice seats for the match in the lower level. He said that he wished he had 1080p eyes. I laughed and told him that he could have them. I'd stick with the eyes I already have. It's all analog, baby!

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Mike, resistance is futile… u can’t get away from it…..as it’s EVERYWHERE …..


InSight IBC 2015 Technicolor - YouTube


using every solution imaginable - http://www.itu.int/md/R12-WP6C-C-0495/en

and now, from almost month to month being constantly promoted…err presented, at conferences (SMPTE, IBC, NAB, etc.) and seminars (in this case moderated by Carolyn of THR…. http://www.advancedimagingsociety.co...x?webpage=4543 <- quite a deal for our local student filmmakers (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/fea...schools-811367 )

We shall see, 3D was everywhere a few years back

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

We shall see, 3D was everywhere a few years back

HDR has less/lower hurdles for both filmmakers and viewers to overcome compared to stereoscopic 3D.

For instance, with Tomorrowland, Claudio didn’t alter his normal shooting style/lighting technique whatsoever during shooting the motion picture despite knowing beforehand there would be an HDR version forthcoming…and despite that, the HDR version still came out better looking (more colorful, etc.) than the SDR version.

Viewers aren’t required to wear 3D glasses which has shown to be a significant impediment especially for those who already have to wear prescription glasses in the first place.

I think it’s safe to say right now that the destiny of HDR will be brighter.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

HDR has less/lower hurdles for both filmmakers and viewers to overcome compared to stereoscopic 3D.

For instance, with Tomorrowland, Claudio didn’t alter his normal shooting style/lighting technique whatsoever during shooting the motion picture despite knowing beforehand there would be an HDR version forthcoming…and despite that, the HDR version still came out better looking (more colorful, etc.) than the SDR version.

Viewers aren’t required to wear 3D glasses which has shown to be a significant impediment especially for those who already have to wear prescription glasses in the first place.

I think it’s safe to say right now that the destiny of HDR will be brighter.

Only problem is its going to be a lot harder to upsell j6p to a hdr ticket. 3D is easy to understand how it will be better and why it might be worth to pay more, hdr will be a tough upsell IMO.

Star Trek TNG in UHD! I'd double dip for this if the transfers in UHD were as amazing a result as the HD's were....

[Kris Deering]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

HDR has less/lower hurdles for both filmmakers and viewers to overcome compared to stereoscopic 3D.

For instance, with Tomorrowland, Claudio didn’t alter his normal shooting style/lighting technique whatsoever during shooting the motion picture despite knowing beforehand there would be an HDR version forthcoming…and despite that, the HDR version still came out better looking (more colorful, etc.) than the SDR version.

Viewers aren’t required to wear 3D glasses which has shown to be a significant impediment especially for those who already have to wear prescription glasses in the first place.

I think it’s safe to say right now that the destiny of HDR will be brighter.

Hey Penton. I've seen more titles popping up claiming HDR for theatrical presentation. How many of these are truly being regraded for HDR or are we seeing something more like 3D when it goes thru some automated process and faux HDR is produced? Also, even if it is regraded properly, how many of these films are being shot with HDR in mind? Is the DOP being brought in for the HDR grade? I'm just afraid of buzz tech compromising products that weren't intended for that tech as we've seen in the past.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

HDR has less/lower hurdles for both filmmakers and viewers to overcome compared to stereoscopic 3D.

For instance, with Tomorrowland, Claudio didn’t alter his normal shooting style/lighting technique whatsoever during shooting the motion picture despite knowing beforehand there would be an HDR version forthcoming…and despite that, the HDR version still came out better looking (more colorful, etc.) than the SDR version.

Viewers aren’t required to wear 3D glasses which has shown to be a significant impediment especially for those who already have to wear prescription glasses in the first place.

I think it’s safe to say right now that the destiny of HDR will be brighter.

With 3d 90%+ of the filmmakers were involved.........

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

With 3d 90%+ of the filmmakers were involved.........

Most of the 3D content released is converted in post, not natively shot, so that doesn't hold water.

The studios and theater chain owners were involved as an excuse to add a surcharge to their ticket prices, not necessarily all the filmmakers. Many well respected directors of cinematography did not like working with 3D as a point of aesthetic style.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

Most of the 3D content released is converted in post, not natively shot, so that doesn't hold water.

The studios and theater chain owners were involved as an excuse to add a surcharge to their ticket prices, not necessarily all the filmmakers. Many well respected directors of cinematography did not like working with 3D as a point of aesthetic style.

Involved....... Where did I say shot?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Ruined

Only problem is its going to be a lot harder to upsell j6p to a hdr ticket. 3D is easy to understand how it will be better and why it might be worth to pay more, hdr will be a tough upsell IMO.

It really shouldn’t be a problem as the difference is immediately recognizable if the retailers (Best Buy, etc.) were to set up side-by-side or split screen demos of SDR vs. quality HDR content.

I would especially expect a substantial tick in upsell when live sports is brought to us with dedicated HDR acquisition and delivery.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

It really shouldn’t be a problem as the difference is immediately recognizable if the retailers (Best Buy, etc.) were to set up side-by-side or split screen demos of SDR vs. quality HDR content.

I would especially expect a substantial tick in upsell when live sports is brought to us with dedicated HDR acquisition and delivery.

How often do you suspect that HDR will be abused? The temptation must be there to crank the brightness knob to 11 even if the movie or TV show didn't warrant it or by doing so it alters the the intended look of a film.

It should be about getting professional dynamic range levels (at both ends of the scale) to the consumer and not just a means of putting everything in torch mode.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

Hey Penton. I've seen more titles popping up claiming HDR for theatrical presentation. How many of these are truly being regraded for HDR or are we seeing something more like 3D when it goes thru some automated process and faux HDR is produced?

I can’t speak to the automated process for all the early titles coming from all the different content creators to the various home delivery services, but....
for theatrical presentation, with all the root approaches, there is at least some degree of *automation* (be it loading a post house LUT or going thru a manufacturer’s plugin) during the HDR grading process, after which then a dedicated trim pass is performed.

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

Also, even if it is regraded properly, how many of these films are being shot with HDR in mind?

Not necessary for the movie be shot with HDR in mind at the time of original imagery acquisition….what’s important for enabling the fullest potential of any future HDR iteration is that the following acquisition and workflow was done (and saved) when it was shot - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...w#post11071017

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

Is the DOP being brought in for the HDR grade? I'm just afraid of buzz tech compromising products that weren't intended for that tech as we've seen in the past.

If an HDR version was intended from the get-go, yes, you can pretty much rest assured that the DP (or Director, if the DP is on another assignment) was actually physically present in the grading suite supervising the look. For HDR done after-the-fact, might best to plan on YMMV as to the actual physical presence of the filmmakers, i.e. in practice, there may turn out to be a wide range of *collaboration* between the coloristos and the filmmakers.

One always has to hope for the best (esp. when undergoing surgery ) but I wouldn’t at all be surprised that over the course of time, shortcuts (something akin to Technicolor’s fully automated live SDR->HDR upscaling method) and other *easier pathways* by content providers could also happen with the implementation and delivery of HDR material into the home…..if past practices of some in the entertainment industry serve as an indicator. Plus, there is also potential for degradation the other end around….. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...e#post11199175

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I can’t speak to the automated process for all the early titles coming from all the different content creators to the various home delivery services, but....
for theatrical presentation, with all the root approaches, there is at least some degree of *automation* (be it loading a post house LUT or going thru a manufacturer’s plugin) during the HDR grading process, after which then a dedicated trim pass is performed.

Not necessary for the movie be shot with HDR in mind at the time of original imagery acquisition….what’s important for enabling the fullest potential of any future HDR iteration is that the following acquisition and workflow was done (and saved) when it was shot - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...w#post11071017

If an HDR version was intended from the get-go, yes, you can pretty much rest assured that the DP (or Director, if the DP is on another assignment) was actually physically present in the grading suite supervising the look. For HDR done after-the-fact, might best to plan on YMMV as to the actual physical presence of the filmmakers, i.e. in practice, there may turn out to be a wide range of *collaboration* between the coloristos and the filmmakers.

One always has to hope for the best (esp. when undergoing surgery ) but I wouldn’t at all be surprised that over the course of time, shortcuts (something akin to Technicolor’s fully automated live SDR->HDR upscaling method) and other *easier pathways* by content providers could also happen with the implementation and delivery of HDR material into the home…..if past practices of some in the entertainment industry serve as an indicator. Plus, there is also potential for degradation the other end around….. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...e#post11199175

Most directors know little about the work that a DP does unfortunately

[hajiketobu]

Why is Life of Pi a launch title for 4K Bluray? Wasn't it like shot in 2.8K ?
Does anyone know if it was mastered in 2.8K or 2K? Imdb says it has a 2K DI but I don't really trust imdb. Imdb also said until last week that Gone Girl was shot and mastered in 4K, which is totally wrong.

[dubious]

Originally Posted by IMJ

Star Trek TNG in UHD! I'd double dip for this if the transfers in UHD were as amazing a result as the HD's were....

I doubt they ever go back to remaster them again. The cinematography is fairly soft and several short sequences the negatives were lost so SD was upscaled. But, iirc, once the 2K scans were cropped in to the display aperature, the resulting masters were around 1800x1400 px, if they maintained those and didnt dispose of them after rendering out at 1080p, there could be another 300+ lines of resolution to be utilized for an UHD upscale.

[dvdmike]

The new 4k fire TV is non HDR compatible!!!

#happydance

[jono3000]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

The new 4k fire TV is non HDR compatible!!!

#happydance

I was more suprised the new Chromecast is still 1080p