4K Blu-ray Confirmed, Coming in

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner330

It sounds like he likes the Panasonic setup better than Samsung. Hmm...

Yea. The Panasonic uhd player advertises a superior processing system. No doubt that comparisons will be made once they hit stores.

[Dreamliner330]

Originally Posted by ray0414

Yea. The Panasonic uhd player advertises a superior processing system. No doubt that comparisons will be made once they hit stores.

Do we know when they will be in the U.S.?

I wonder if it'll be within the return window of the Sammy.

[Dreamliner330]

Anyone care to comment how much HDR will effect current non-UHD standardized displays? I mean, my projector only has so much black, white, red, green, blue. Are we really meant to believe current Blu-rays can't fully use the display colors and intensity fully? Is 100% blue not 100% blue?

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

Hell, a year ago we didn't even know that HDR existed for movies! HDR was just a photo recording mode on my iPhone....

So gracious of Apple to improve the home movie industry. (Sarcasm) ...HDR has existed for a loooong time.

[Dubstar]

So Disney Home Video made no official announcement of UHD at this week's CES???

[Pieter V]

Originally Posted by Dubstar

So Disney Home Video made no official announcement of UHD at this week's CES???

Quite silent yes. No LG UHD Blu-ray player either...

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Dubstar

So Disney Home Video made no official announcement of UHD at this week's CES???

Rumbles abound that this will happen shortly, though probably not at CES. They still sell a sh!tload of regular Blu-ray's compared to other studios, so I'm sure they're not done with the format yet.

Though, I doubt their pre-order prices will be $25. One can hope, but this is Disney after all.

[XJF]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

Though, I doubt their pre-order prices will be $25. One can hope, but this is Disney after all.

Does Disney pricelock their products like Apple does? I almost never see a Disney Blu below MSRP.

[JJ]

I just ran to make sure the 65JS8500 I bought 6 months ago had HDR. It does. Phew.

I really can't believe we're less than two months away from getting 4K BDPs!!!!

I may just spring for the Samsung one at $400. If the Panny is at $500 or below I will go there, but - $600+?

Although, hilariously enough, my first BDP was a Panny 10AK that cost me $600 back in October of 2007 anyway. It's been NINE years?!?!

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

Hell, a year ago we didn't even know that HDR existed for movies! HDR was just a photo recording mode on my iPhone....

Not that I disagree regarding your sentiments with the remastering of older motion pictures in HDR and the slippery slope that entails with original creative intent, but we?

For you see, for the record, long term readers of the most read thread in the fine Ultra HD and 4K forum have been cognizant of the details regarding the development of extended image dynamic range for motion pictures at least as far back as
early 2013 <- scroll down to the word ‘revolutionary’.

And then in mid 2014, cinematographers as well as some studio executives and other Hollywood Insiders viewed HDR (Dolby Vision flavor) motion imagery (not HDR still photography) on the BIG screen at the venue pictured here (there’s a strip club a few storefronts down….not that I’ve ever ventured in there after any Dolby presentation…for an even more dramatic viewing).

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

Can you at least agree that HDR is not a part of the DCI specs of worldwide movie theaters?

Well not even addressing HDR, but traditional dynamic range, IMAX rolls their own too, so

[Kris Deering]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner330

Anyone care to comment how much HDR will effect current non-UHD standardized displays? I mean, my projector only has so much black, white, red, green, blue. Are we really meant to believe current Blu-rays can't fully use the display colors and intensity fully? Is 100% blue not 100% blue?


So gracious of Apple to improve the home movie industry. (Sarcasm) ...HDR has existed for a loooong time.

Well think about it this way, peak blue luminance is only 8% of overall luminance. So right now material is mastered for 100 nits, so the brightest blue you get is 8 nits. Now with HDR lets say the content is mastered at 1000 nits, you can get blue up to 80 nits! And this is all while the overall average picture level STAYS THE SAME. People are WAY too focused on contrast when they talk about HDR, but the dynamic range will do more for color luminance than it will for black and white, specular highlights or not.

Unfortunately NONE of this will apply to projection as projectors don't have the luminance range. We're lucky to get 100 nits as it is with any real contrast performance. Maybe that will change eventually as we get something like laser modules for each color, but it will be awhile. There are a few projectors that now support HDR10 from JVC and Sony, but it will be more about giving you and image with modest at best advantages (VERY little headroom) compared to what you already have. Think peaks that are maybe twice as bright as before compared to a minimum of around 10x's with flat panels. It might be a tad better if we had content graded for this type of light output like they are doing for theatrical HDR (Dolby Vision), but that just isn't going to be the case with consumer software.

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

Well think about it this way, peak blue luminance is only 8% of overall luminance. So right now material is mastered for 100 nits, so the brightest blue you get is 8 nits. Now with HDR lets say the content is mastered at 1000 nits, you can get blue up to 80 nits! And this is all while the overall average picture level STAYS THE SAME. People are WAY too focused on contrast when they talk about HDR, but the dynamic range will do more for color luminance than it will for black and white, specular highlights or not.

Unfortunately NONE of this will apply to projection as projectors don't have the luminance range. We're lucky to get 100 nits as it is with any real contrast performance. Maybe that will change eventually as we get something like laser modules for each color, but it will be awhile. There are a few projectors that now support HDR10 from JVC and Sony, but it will be more about giving you and image with modest at best advantages (VERY little headroom) compared to what you already have. Think peaks that are maybe twice as bright as before compared to a minimum of around 10x's with flat panels. It might be a tad better if we had content graded for this type of light output like they are doing for theatrical HDR (Dolby Vision), but that just isn't going to be the case with consumer software.

did you ever find some closer pictures of those UHD BD discs so we can see the back side? do you have these in your possession?

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

Well think about it this way, peak blue luminance is only 8% of overall luminance. So right now material is mastered for 100 nits, so the brightest blue you get is 8 nits. Now with HDR lets say the content is mastered at 1000 nits, you can get blue up to 80 nits! And this is all while the overall average picture level STAYS THE SAME. People are WAY too focused on contrast when they talk about HDR, but the dynamic range will do more for color luminance than it will for black and white, specular highlights or not.

Unfortunately NONE of this will apply to projection as projectors don't have the luminance range. We're lucky to get 100 nits as it is with any real contrast performance. Maybe that will change eventually as we get something like laser modules for each color, but it will be awhile. There are a few projectors that now support HDR10 from JVC and Sony, but it will be more about giving you and image with modest at best advantages (VERY little headroom) compared to what you already have. Think peaks that are maybe twice as bright as before compared to a minimum of around 10x's with flat panels. It might be a tad better if we had content graded for this type of light output like they are doing for theatrical HDR (Dolby Vision), but that just isn't going to be the case with consumer software.

I saw the Barco laser projector demo at CEDIA and it was jaw dropping. The best video quality I've ever witnessed and it blew away every other projector or flat panel demo at the show IMHO. Even if it couldn't reproduce HDR brightness levels... who cares! Everyone should be using that projector as a yard stick.

Holy hell! It better be that good for the price!!!

Any word on that nasty AACS 2.0 artifact in the form of dial-in UHD disc authentication or did Hollywood wisely back down?

[Dreamliner330]

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

Well think about it this way, peak blue luminance is only 8% of overall luminance. So right now material is mastered for 100 nits, so the brightest blue you get is 8 nits. Now with HDR lets say the content is mastered at 1000 nits, you can get blue up to 80 nits! And this is all while the overall average picture level STAYS THE SAME. People are WAY too focused on contrast when they talk about HDR, but the dynamic range will do more for color luminance than it will for black and white, specular highlights or not.

Unfortunately NONE of this will apply to projection as projectors don't have the luminance range. We're lucky to get 100 nits as it is with any real contrast performance. Maybe that will change eventually as we get something like laser modules for each color, but it will be awhile. There are a few projectors that now support HDR10 from JVC and Sony, but it will be more about giving you and image with modest at best advantages (VERY little headroom) compared to what you already have. Think peaks that are maybe twice as bright as before compared to a minimum of around 10x's with flat panels. It might be a tad better if we had content graded for this type of light output like they are doing for theatrical HDR (Dolby Vision), but that just isn't going to be the case with consumer software.

It seems like what your describing is a scenario where a HDR capable display isn't being fully taken advantage of because its not being given the input. Wouldn't the TV understand its not being send a HDR signal and adjust accordingly? In your example, if a regular Blu-ray called for 8 nits of blue wouldn't the display recognize that as 'all the blue you can do' and just do 80?

Sounds like its like buying a Corvette and saying you need special shoes to push the pedal all the way down. I understand that nits is a metered brightness, but 80nits of blue from 1000nits capable TV is still 10%, same as 8nits from 100. Why can't the TV recognize the video codec and just take the information as percentages and not value data.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner330

It seems like what your describing is a scenario where a HDR capable display isn't being fully taken advantage of because its not being given the input. Wouldn't the TV understand its not being send a HDR signal and adjust accordingly? In your example, if a regular Blu-ray called for 8 nits of blue wouldn't the display recognize that as 'all the blue you can do' and just do 80?

Sounds like its like buying a Corvette and saying you need special shoes to push the pedal all the way down. I understand that nits is a metered brightness, but 80nits of blue from 1000nits capable TV is still 10%, same as 8nits from 100. Why can't the TV recognize the video codec and just take the information as percentages and not value data.

But you may see banding or other anomalies.

[Dreamliner330]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

But you may see banding or other anomalies.

Shouldn't. If you use the same values and just add a zero to everything (immensely over-simplified I'm sure) it would be the same, just more 'punch.'

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner330

Shouldn't. If you use the same values and just add a zero to everything (immensely over-simplified I'm sure) it would be the same, just more 'punch.'

But not everything should be "punched" if the cinematographer did not wish it to be.

It's like turning every aspect of the image to 11 and this ain't "Spinal Tap."

[Dreamliner330]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

But not everything should be "punched" if the cinematographer did not wish it to be.

It's like turning every aspect of the image to 11 and this ain't "Spinal Tap."

You always gotta turn it to 11.

Best not bring up the Cinematographer, he had nothing to do with what the studios are doing with HDR.

I know its different, sort of, but it's not like anyone ever once said 'what contrast ratio did Deakins intend for this to be viewed with.'

As long as its in balance, the more the better.

[dvdmike]

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[eriaur]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/n...d-4k/78420960/

Technicolor has been remastering The Godfather Part II and Apocalypse Now and "they look stunning," said Mark Turner, Technicolor.

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by eriaur

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/n...d-4k/78420960/

To quote the movie: "The Horror"

Why should anyone watch a movie like the Godfather or Apocalypse now with a modified/unapproved Dynamic Range 40 years later???