4K Blu-ray Confirmed, Coming in

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by elwaylite

On another note, Joe Kane in the latest Widescreen Review:

"If you want to be an early adopter of HDR, a good starting point would be a set that can do HDR-10, including P3 color on a 10 bit panel with a light output of at least 750 nits".

I think only the FALD Samsungs and Sony's hit that right now, but my 930C can get pretty bright in the 400-500 nit range. I'm more concerned with 10bit, P3 and HDR10, which it will do.

He also alludes that currently the OLED's are doing things to hurt real PQ trying to hit the higher light output.

now i know who you are lol

[dvdmike]

Any HDR panel will show a diffrence next to an older pannel

[elwaylite]

Originally Posted by ray0414

now i know who you are lol

LOL. Yeah, this was an old user name and I couldnt change it here for whatever reason...

[Dreamliner330]

Originally Posted by elwaylite

Dec '15 Widescreen Review (sorry, just now reading it), as many of us realize.



"Ultra HD TV Has A Problem"



"The ugly truth about Ultra HD is that the increase in resolution isn't worth it for the vast majority of home theatre enthusiasts"



"There is a steep improvement in Ultra HD Video, however, but it derives from other properties: HDR and WCG".

Lots of DVD owners said similar things about Blu-ray and I'm sure every one of them now buys on Blu-ray.

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Any HDR panel will show a diffrence next to an older pannel

Heck, even a Panasonic Plasma looks 'HDR' next to my JVC projector. I sold my 54" Plasma to my parents when I bought my JVC RS46. I remember going over to their house some after and noticing how rich the colors looked...on just regular cable.

Should be interesting to see what happens to SDR content in HDR displays.

C'mon JVC, quit screwing around with fake 4K and start shipping real 4K HDR projectors with Dolby Vision! Papa wants a new projector under $5K. I'm not spending $10K+ on a projector when 60" 4K TVs are only $899.

[dvdmike]

Plasma always wins

[elwaylite]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Any HDR panel will show a diffrence next to an older pannel

Why?

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner330

Should be interesting to see what happens to SDR content in HDR displays.

It won't be an issue from a technical point of view. It's more like 'will people spoiled by HDR be able to bear watching SDR content?', just as most people nowadays wouldn't piss on DVD if it was on fire. Same shit, different decade.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

It won't be an issue from a technical point of view. It's more like 'will people spoiled by HDR be able to bear watching SDR content?', just as most people nowadays wouldn't piss on DVD if it was on fire. Same shit, different decade.

Yeah, people will love the new hotness and disavow anything before it

[Geoff D]

Dat new hotness

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Dat new hotness

Problem is the new hotness comes so often now there is a ton of now old coldness that was once great

[elwaylite]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

It won't be an issue from a technical point of view. It's more like 'will people spoiled by HDR be able to bear watching SDR content?', just as most people nowadays wouldn't piss on DVD if it was on fire. Same shit, different decade.

Biggest issue I see is I will need two modes. One calibrated for DCIP3 color space and one calibrated for Rec 709. There wont be any calibrating for HDR right now I don't think.

As far as SDR into an HDR display vs SDR into a SDR display, there is no difference. We keep moving toward a more accurate experience of the way the Director shot it, fine by me.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by elwaylite

Biggest issue I see is I will need two modes. One calibrated for DCIP3 color space and one calibrated for Rec 709. There wont be any calibrating for HDR right now I don't think.

As far as SDR into an HDR display vs SDR into a SDR display, there is no difference. We keep moving toward a more accurate experience of the way the Director shot it, fine by me.

That's why these sets have selectable colour spaces, viewing modes etc, it's a non-issue IMO. And it's worth bearing in mind that players will probably map 709 content to the 2020 output anyway (just as current BD players map 601 to 709 when playing them old DVD thingies) so people won't have to keep adjusting their colour space all the time when playing legacy content.

[elwaylite]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

That's why these sets have selectable colour spaces, viewing modes etc, it's a non-issue IMO. And it's worth bearing in mind that players will probably map 709 content to the 2020 output anyway (just as current BD players map 601 to 709 when playing them old DVD thingies) so people won't have to keep adjusting their colour space all the time when playing legacy content.

Yeah, once spectracal is done and Chad B has the ability, I want to do some testing on this 930C to see exactly what it is doing with different inputs. Then we can move from there.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by elwaylite

Dec '15 Widescreen Review (sorry, just now reading it), as many of us realize.

"Ultra HD TV Has A Problem"

"The ugly truth about Ultra HD is that the increase in resolution isn't worth it for the vast majority of home theatre enthusiasts"

God dammit. Frigging Gary Reber is at it again. The same guy who poo-pooed DVD because of LaserDisc, poo-pooed Blu-ray in favor of HD DVD, and is doing the same caliber of "predictions" for UHD.


Couldn't be because the man who turned his magazine into the DTS Newsletter is upset that Dolby Atmos & Dolby Vision are hugely involved with UHD and all his contacts are out in the cold? Nahh.

[Geoff D]

^ "But Geoff, why doesn't that mapping bother you even though you moan about converting P3 back into 709?" Because using a wider gamut as a 'container' isn't a problem, it's taking a wider space and boiling it down to something else (with HDR into SDR on top) in real time whilst retaining some semblance of intent as to what that lower grade should look like that bothers me.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

God dammit. Frigging Gary Reber is at it again. The same guy who poo-pooed DVD because of LaserDisc, poo-pooed Blu-ray in favor of HD DVD, and is doing the same caliber of "predictions" for UHD.


Couldn't be because the man who turned his magazine into the DTS Newsletter is upset that Dolby Atmos & Dolby Vision are hugely involved with UHD and all his contacts are out in the cold? Nahh.

Turned?

[elwaylite]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

God dammit. Frigging Gary Reber is at it again. The same guy who poo-pooed DVD because of LaserDisc, poo-pooed Blu-ray in favor of HD DVD, and is doing the same caliber of "predictions" for UHD.


Couldn't be because the man who turned his magazine into the DTS Newsletter is upset that Dolby Atmos & Dolby Vision are hugely involved with UHD and all his contacts are out in the cold? Nahh.

I find it strange you left out the part about WGC and HDR when you quoted my post...

2 things:

1) Gary didnt write it

2) I can't disagree. Resolution increases are the least important thing about UHD for most non projector home users.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Turned?

Yes, turned.


In the early days of the magazine, the VERY early days he was equal opportunity, even praising Dolby Digital on occasion and preferring it in a shootout between formats theatrically. Then when AC-3 for LaserDisc was announced the magazine took a very nasty turn, coloring every article about sound. He even campaigned to the FCC to reverse their decision for AC-3 to be the DTV standard in favor of DTS, even though DTS had nothing to show at the time (and was the reason they weren't a standard on DVD). "It was very exciting to hold in my hand DTS CDs" is a line I will never forget, in an article on the first AC-3 LaserDiscs where he was forced to admit "didn't sound as bad as he thought they would" (and his guests thought sounded pretty darn good).

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by elwaylite

I find it strange you left out the part about WGC and HDR when you quoted my post...

2 things:

1) Gary didnt write it

2) I can't disagree. Resolution increases are the least important thing about UHD for most non projector home users.

He doesn't have to write it. It's called an "editorial decision" and he's been pretty anti-4K, along with Joe Kane, for a while now.

[elwaylite]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Yes, turned.


In the early days of the magazine, the VERY early days he was equal opportunity, even praising Dolby Digital on occasion and preferring it in a shootout between formats theatrically. Then when AC-3 for LaserDisc was announced the magazine took a very nasty turn, coloring every article about sound. He even campaigned to the FCC to reverse their decision for AC-3 to be the DTV standard in favor of DTS, even though DTS had nothing to show at the time (and was the reason they weren't a standard on DVD). "It was very exciting to hold in my hand DTS CDs" is a line I will never forget, in an article on the first AC-3 LaserDiscs where he was forced to admit "didn't sound as bad as he thought they would" (and his guests thought sounded pretty darn good).

I like reading Doug Blackburn's calibration reviews, and Joe Kane's articles.