4K Blu-ray Confirmed, Coming in

[bruceames]

2K resolution movies will likely still see a lot of visual improvement in UHD with the higher bit depth and dynamic range (and higher frame rate, if applicable). Since most movies are mastered in 2k and virtually all animation and CGI is mastered in 2k, it would seem ridiculous to only release movies that were mastered in 4K resolution. The resolution would remain the same, but they would really not be "upscaled" movies, as long as one or more other enhancements were applied that are exclusive to UHD.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

2K resolution movies will likely still see a lot of visual improvement in UHD with the higher bit depth and dynamic range (and higher frame rate, if applicable). Since most movies are mastered in 2k and virtually all animation and CGI is mastered in 2k, it would seem ridiculous to only release movies that were mastered in 4K resolution. The resolution would remain the same, but they would really not be "upscaled" movies, as long as one or more other enhancements were applied that are exclusive to UHD.

The same could be said of SD movies on Blu-ray: they may still benefit from other enhancements. Even if movies mastered in 2K still look better on UHD Blu-ray than their regular Blu-ray versions, they won't look as good as the movies mastered in 4K so they should probably focus on those to start with.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

The same could be said of SD movies on Blu-ray: they may still benefit from other enhancements. Even if movies mastered in 2K still look better on UHD Blu-ray than their regular Blu-ray versions, they won't look as good as the movies mastered in 4K so they should probably focus on those to start with.

The upgrade to a higher bit depth and dynamic range are each in itself potentially more of a visual improvement than resolution. Actually there is very little comparative improvement from 1080p to 4k resolution, when taken by itself, unless your watching from a projector. It's the other enhancements which will have the most effect. After all, why is Warner planning on using The Lego Movie, which was mastered in 2k, as one of its first movies in UHD?

[smileyousonofab****]

I had a question about which 4k TV is the best right now, I'm looking to upgrade soon?

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by smileyousonofab****

I had a question about which 4k TV is the best right now, I'm looking to upgrade soon?

I would hold off until it's closer to Ultra HD Blu-ray's debut. We should have a better idea by then of which new sets will work well with the agreed upon UHD standards (both disc based and broadcast).

[smileyousonofab****]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

I would hold off until it's closer to Ultra HD Blu-ray's debut. We should have a better idea by then of which new sets will work well with the agreed upon UHD standards (both disc based and broadcast).

Great advice, do you think I should wait a few months or until they finally launch 4k blus?

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by smileyousonofab****

Great advice, do you think I should wait a few months or until they finally launch 4k blus?

New electronics usually don't start to debut until the September/October time frame. Be patient and your money will probably go further.

[Chevypower]

Originally Posted by smileyousonofab****

I had a question about which 4k TV is the best right now, I'm looking to upgrade soon?

I am interested in the new Samsung JS8500 if it's priced well. Sure there is OLED, but I just won't spend top dollar on technology anymore. It doesn't seem that long ago my dad paid $15k for a 50'' NEC plasma with no built-in tuner, it had component input for a 1080i signal then interpolated it to 1365 x 768 or something like that. You can get so much more now for $1,000!

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Chevypower

I am interested in the new Samsung JS8500 if it's priced well. Sure there is OLED, but I just won't spend top dollar on technology anymore. It doesn't seem that long ago my dad paid $15k for a 50'' NEC plasma with no built-in tuner, it had component input for a 1080i signal then interpolated it to 1365 x 768 or something like that. You can get so much more now for $1,000!

I'll say the same thing... if you buy right now without knowing how well the set will comply with Ultra HD Blu-ray and other UHD media that do not have their specs. fully ratified yet, you may end up getting burned.

Hold off until you know for sure.

[jono3000]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

After all, why is Warner planning on using The Lego Movie, which was mastered in 2k, as one of its first movies in UHD?

What is your source for this information, no UHD Blu-rays have been announced yet? Also presumably they could re-render the CGI only scenes in 4K if necessary

[Geoff D]

I think he means the HDR upgrade program announced by Warners: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/beh...ainment-761224

As for 2K stuff, the BDA were smart to put enhanced 1080p in the UHD BD spec so there's no need to upscale movies to take advantage of the other improvements. Who knows, that may have partly been behind calling it UHD BD instead of 4K BD...

[AK65]

When is every film going to be shot natively in 4K?

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by AK65

When is every film going to be shot natively in 4K?

Many movies are shot using 4k or even 6k digital cameras (or in some instances still on film).

The problem lies in the workflow and the special effects rendering.

Only a few movies are able to have pure 4k end-to-end productions due to various factors.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

Almost spit my drink out with the comment on the gene pool, love that. And I agree on 4K Blu-ray being a seriously hard sell for the masses. Techies will hopefully lap it up, but if the difference between Blu-ray and DVD isn't enough there is no way the difference between 4K and Blu-ray will be even remotely enough. And at what type of premium are we talking? As much as I think it won't happen the only way this could gain traction to me is pricing it exactly the same as Blu-ray right off the bat and essentially just eliminating Blu-ray altogether for this. Probably won't happen but I just don't think people are going to line up for this at all. TVs sure, but we saw how that worked with HD sets and SD content, people probably think their DVDs are 4K on their 4K TVs given their overall knowledge of this stuff and what they're fed from big box stores. And if streaming is the first example they'll get (which is most likely the case) it's over because that crap doesn't look as good or better than Blu-ray does now so why spend a premium on pre-recorded content?

I recall a survey several years back how most consumers believed they were watching "HD" even though it was a standard def signal to their HD display. No doubt it will (or is) happening again with UHD.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Back in the day? I would still take the Sony sxrd units over any others out there

The Sonys are excellent, but the newer JVCs have far better native contrast and blacks if your room environment is treated properly (my dedicated room is carpeted and painted black with no windows).

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by AK65

When is every film going to be shot natively in 4K?

I don’t know about ‘every’ but it will become much more commonplace, i.e. the routine, when the average size consumer TV gets larger…and they will, over time because the cost of 4K cameras are now in line with HD cameras and the benefits to 4K (even oversampling with regards to just HD finishing) as well as framing benefits is beyond debate.

And also when all post houses convert their existing infrastructure to a 4K end-to-end pipeline (like at Sony Pictures),so that once you have such a system in place, the cost of finishing in 4K in not significantly greater than doing so in 2K. This equipmental upgrading, like with the average size of consumer displays, will happen over the course of time.

[bailey1987]

Originally Posted by AK65

When is every film going to be shot natively in 4K?

If the resolution of film, any type of film that's is, is greater than 4K, then we can only hope that they are never shot natively at 4K.

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

If the resolution of film, any type of film that's is, is greater than 4K, then we can only hope that they are never shot natively at 4K.

35mm film above 4K is pointless.... You see 6K scans sometimes but those are basically already a digital "blow up"....

[vargo]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

35mm film above 4K is pointless.... You see 6K scans sometimes but those are basically already a digital "blow up"....

The benefits of oversampling are well established.

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by vargo

The benefits of oversampling are well established.

Yes, but 4K will remain the standard for 35mm transfers...

Warner is able to make great transfers scanning IPs at 2K still today...