Screenshot Comparisons 4K

[d514]

This is not UHD Blu-ray but Blu-ray vs. Sony's 4k unlimited service. There are rumors that the protection of the Sony service has been broken. If true, this is a real Screenshots and not a reencoded HDMI capture.

Blacklist Pilot:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comp....php?id=160044

Just look at her hair, her eyes and the FBI badge...

[Pieter V]

Originally Posted by d514

Just look at her hair, her eyes and the FBI badge...

Yes, but I am also looking at a picture which has been made 4 times larger.

I grabbed that upscaled Blu-ray screenshot and resized it back 4 times.

Here is the result:

http://105.imagebam.com/download/geq...3706548912.jpg

You still think the Blu-ray is unsharp?

All these Upscaled vs 4K UHD screenshots are unfair and ready for the bin.

The best side by side comparison environment: 2 TV's, and no upscaling feature enabled for HD.

[bruceames]

A couple of pictures taken with my cell phone of Kingsmen. Take it for what it's worth.


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UHD

[bruceames]

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UHD

[carr857]

You'll need a camera that can take pictures at least of 4k res for that type of comparison to work

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by carr857

You'll need a camera that can take pictures at least of 4k res for that type of comparison to work

Or take a picture of just part of the image.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by carr857

You'll need a camera that can take pictures at least of 4k res for that type of comparison to work

I was just taking them to show any differences in color saturation and contrast. A few members have concerns about the color conversion from HDR to a non-HDR TV (mine is a non-HDR TV). The detail levels are the same I believe.

[DVD Polizei]

I can see a small difference, with more dynamic range going with the 4K image.

The size of the television could be helpful as well. The smaller the TV, the sharper it will look. I think 4K will be best served/observed on televisions 65" and higher.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by DVD Polizei

I can see a small difference, with more dynamic range going with the 4K image.

The size of the television could be helpful as well. The smaller the TV, the sharper it will look. I think 4K will be best served/observed on televisions 65" and higher.

The TV is a Sony 65X900A (65"). The picture settings are the same on both inputs, but there could be differences attributable to one being from an Oppo and the other the Sammy UHD player.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

A couple of pictures taken with my cell phone of Kingsmen. Take it for what it's worth.


BD




UHD

That looks like your brightness is broken, that HDR pass looks terrible

[d514]

Originally Posted by Pieter V

All these Upscaled vs 4K UHD screenshots are unfair and ready for the bin.

So, in your opinion all DVD vs. Blu-ray comparisons on pages like caps-a-holic are unfair, too?

[Pieter V]

Originally Posted by d514

So, in your opinion all DVD vs. Blu-ray comparisons on pages like caps-a-holic are unfair, too?

No. Those screenshots are legit and not upscaled.

Play a DVD with VLC Player you will see the output resolution is not 1920x1080 (or whatever your monitor is) but SD resolution.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Pieter V

No. Those screenshots are legit and not upscaled.

Play a DVD with VLC Player you will see the output resolution is not 1920x1080 (or whatever your monitor is) but SD resolution.

Capsaholic has some 4K Sony caps now and they have indeed upscaled the HD image to 4K to make it a fair comparison, just as the SD caps are upscaled to HD when comparing DVD to Blu. Upscaling doesn't necessarily mean BAD though, it depends how well it's been done, and I trust Capsaholic to do it properly.

Regardez: http://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&a...=62417&i=0&l=0

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

The TV is a Sony 65X900A (65"). The picture settings are the same on both inputs, but there could be differences attributable to one being from an Oppo and the other the Sammy UHD player.

Any issues with banding or anything like that bruce? Any SDR settings on the player that you can see?

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Any issues with banding or anything like that bruce? Any SDR settings on the player that you can see?

Funny the only banding I noticed was when i was looking through the camera viewfinder to take one of the pics above. Otherwise I haven't noticed any.

I see very few picture settings on this player. Maybe I'm missing something, but no haven't seen a setting to turn HDR off. Saw nothing in the manual either for that.

[Dr Strangelove]

Before to see the screen comparisons, I have to get a 4k monitor first.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

Funny the only banding I noticed was when i was looking through the camera viewfinder to take one of the pics above. Otherwise I haven't noticed any.

I see very few picture settings on this player. Maybe I'm missing something, but no haven't seen a setting to turn HDR off. Saw nothing in the manual either for that.

The manual's useless mate, I had a look as soon as it was available to download a few weeks ago. Thanks for the updates.

[MisterXDTV]

From AVSForum user mpgxsvcd

UHD Blu ray is a scam at the moment!

I wanted to do a definitive test to show how much more resolution the new 4K/UHD Blu ray discs have than regular Blu ray discs. I compared both visually from a normal sitting position and I swore up and down the 4K/UHD Blu ray looked better. Not leaps and bounds better but I was convinced it was better for resolution and detail.

So I got out my trusty GH4 camera and shot still images of my Vizio M80 screen with the regular Martian Blu ray and also the UHD Blu ray. I used the exact same settings in the player and in the TV for both tests. The only difference was the media in the Samsung K8500 player.

Now the color differences are obvious in these photos. The grading is definitely different. The compression differences are also obvious. However, much to my dismay the detail and resolution is literally identical. Now going into this everyone had said the Martian was not rendered in 4K so I guess I should of known. But seriously I wasn't expecting them to be literally the exact same resolution with no detail improvement whatsoever.

Honestly, I think the color differences and differences in the encoding even with a non HDR TV are an improvement. However, the resolution with the discs that are not shot and rendered in 4K or greater is very disappointing. I really feel like we have all been duped here. Please share this post with as many people as possible. This isn't right. They shouldn't literally have the exact same resolution.

Just in case anyone is questioning whether my TV or Reciever was causing it down rez to 1080p and then up rez back up to UHD I tested it several different ways. First I tested the UHD Blu ray connected through my receiver and it did indeed say that my receiver was not HDCP 2.2 compliant. It said it would down rez to 1080p but it still played the movie at UHD/4K. Then I tested the same disc connected directly from the K8500 to my TV and I removed all other HDMI connections from the TV. I also powered off and then back on the K8500 Blu ray player just in case it was remembering the handshake from before. This time it didn't give me the HDCP 2.2 warning and it played the FOX logo in UHD/4K this time instead of 1080p like it did with the HDCP warning.

I am absolutely positive now that the UHD Blu rays that are not sourced from 4K or better have zero increase in detail over the regular Blu rays. Therefore, I can't in good conscious recommend buying the non 4K sourced Blu rays. The HDR aspects may be a huge benefit for some so maybe it is worth it for that. However, the whole detail and resolution aspect seems like a hoax at the moment. Take a look at the pictures below and tell me what you think. Please do this test yourself with a good interchangeable lens camera if you still are not convinced by these images.

1080p Blu ray Disc


UHD Blu ray Disc same settings connected through the receiver with up scaling turned off. Gives the HDCP warning but still plays in UHD.


UHD Blu ray Disc same settings connected directly to the TV with no other HDMI connections. Does not give the HDCP warning.

[Geoff D]

Bless him, that's a VFX shot. Matey might be better off comparing one of the boardroom shots or something.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

From AVSForum user mpgxsvcd

He's entitled to his opinion, but it appears to be a minority view from those who have seen and compared the UHD discs. Not sure why he was expecting more detail, since the scene from that movie is from a 2K DI. And just because the detail level is the same, doesn't mean the PQ doesn't look much better. It does, even on my non-HDR TV (although the colors do look a little different). If all he cares about is resolution, then he can just buy the movies that have a 4K DI.