Screenshot Comparisons 4K

[Derb]

Originally Posted by Opips3

wow, dark area in sense films..

When did the Sixth Sense come out!

[Pieter V]

Sicario is most welcome.

[Crysist]

Is anyone noticing they look a bit... smoothed over? On all of them?

They don't look anywhere near the quality of the Bluray screenshots posted on this site. They just look bigger and mushy.

[Derb]

Originally Posted by scorpiontail60

I think the Samsung UHD player has built-in DNR that cannot be disabled.

I believe they are hidden under,

Dynamic,
Standard,
Movie

Picture settings.

I'm don't believe "User" is effected as you have the option to customize it.

[scorpiontail60]

Honestly, I think the best 4K picture quality I've seen... has been coming from sources intended for viewing on a television screen, not in a theater! TV shows, live events, that sort of stuff. Just random things, like this Karmin concert produced by Sony for their FMP-X10 4K player, the FIFA World Cup, or even Netflix's original documentary series they released the other week, "Cooked." I think this stuff just looks sharper and has more 4K details than the UHD Blu-rays I've watched. Even without HDR, this stuff just looks so clear.



It's ironic this stuff being produced by Hollywood (mainstream movies) intended for theater viewing is lower quality than stuff being produced intended for home viewing. It really is quite embarrassing how outdated Hollywood's production process for movies is, how they ruin their movies like this, by mastering them at 2K. That's right, a documentary series produced for an Internet streaming service has clearer / more detailed looking picture than a lot of Hollywood blockbusters. Ridiculous.

The same thing seems to apply to scripted television shows, like The Blacklist. I think The Blacklist from Sony's FMP-X10 4K digital distribution service has more detail than any of the UHD Blu-rays I've watched thus far. Because TV shows are again shot for television screens and they are not held back by Hollywood standards of finishing CGI at 2K resolution and only being designed to accommodate 2K digital cinema packages. TV shows could shine on the UHD Blu-ray format better than all of these upscaled 2K masters... look at the quality of stuff streaming in 4K on Netflix, like Better Call Saul Season 2:



Who the heck is watching those crappy AMC TV broadcasts packed with commercials and channel logos on cable using 1080i MPEG-2 when they could be watching these 4K versions on Netflix?

I think this is why Internet distribution is going to be a considerable thread to this format. Nothing I've seen so far on this format has really blown me away and made me think "this looks so much better than the 4K streams I've been watching on Netflix and the TV shows I got from Sony's 4K player", even with HDR. This is completely unlike the Blu-ray format which always looked so much better than all 1080p Internet and television broadcast sources.

[PRO-630HD]

Thanks for those screenshots! So it appears those are UHD screenshots but with the HDR and DCI presumably being downconverted to SDR and REC.709? Anyway thanks again!

[saprano]

Come on guys, SDR REC709 aint all bad now. It's funny reading your post. The pics are downconverted yes, but you can still see the bit extra details increase from Salt and The Martian.

[saprano]

Originally Posted by Crysist

Is anyone noticing they look a bit... smoothed over? On all of them?

They don't look anywhere near the quality of the Bluray screenshots posted on this site. They just look bigger and mushy.

No. Those are PNG screen shots. They're better. What are you viewing them on? I saved a couple on my PS3 and viewed them on my TV.

[Derb]

Originally Posted by saprano

No. Those are PNG screen shots. They're better. What are you viewing them on? I saved a couple on my PS3 and viewed them on my TV.

PS3 still does "everything"

Pics are nice but no way can I or would I judge a 4K transfer that's meant to run consecutive frames.

Throw in Exodus, & that's like me taking 24 pictures per second & maybe cuting out 20% of the rest of the entire film's length of images that didn't look "all that"

The 4th picture in "Salt" take a close look at Angie's face. That's what most of the transfer looks like throughout.

[Poya]

Any for Wild?

[K i r a]

Any chance if you could share screencaps of movies that have full 1080p screencaps on this site, at the same frame, or just about?

[I KEEL YOU]

Salt:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comp....php?id=164299

[Blu-21]

Originally Posted by I KEEL YOU

Salt:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comp....php?id=164299

Blu-Ray looks better to me. More resolved fine detail.

[I KEEL YOU]

Originally Posted by Blu-21

Blu-Ray looks better to me. More resolved fine detail.

The 4K rip has compression issues, but it definitely has more detail on those digital numbers, where you can see each dot that makes up the digital numbers clearly.

However, that difference becomes almost invisible as soon as I move my head away 2-3 feet away from the screen.

[pawel86ck]

scorpiontail60@ These netfix screenshots are filmed with good cameras no doubt (resolution clarity looks like real 4K compared to the first way of UHD movies), but compression artifacts are everywhere on these netfix screenshots (and I dont even need to look for them). Also colors looks washed out (like in old bluray) so I like your UHD screenshots much more.

James Freeman@ You say, that these UHD screenshots are still in BT.709, so the same as bluray. But why these UHD screenshots have better colors on my monitor compared to bluray, for example Chappie or The Lego Movie (it's like comparing colors from composite signal to HDMI RGB).

That difference looks similar to this picture:
http://postimg.org/image/yd4jw0mbv/full/

If you capture real REC.2020 color space the image should look very unsaturated almost colorless

I tried watching HDR demos (with also bt2020 I think) on my SDR, and these had unsaturated and colorless picture as you said.

[James Freeman]

Originally Posted by pawel86ck

James Freeman@ You say, that these UHD screenshots are still in BT.709, so the same as bluray. But why these UHD screenshots have better colors on my monitor compared to bluray, for example Chappie or The Lego Movie (it's like comparing colors from composite signal to HDMI RGB).

That difference looks similar to this picture:
http://postimg.org/image/yd4jw0mbv/full/

I tried watching HDR demos (with also bt2020 I think) on my SDR, and these had unsaturated and colorless picture as you said.

Comparing two different masters in 709 WILL look different.
My best guess is a UHD-BD Player simply discards anything outside the rec.709 gamut.
I almost 100% sure that a UHD-BD Player would NOT do proper color space conversion (See HERE).

The DCI-P3 master relies more on color outside 709 gamut for the vibrant and more saturated colors, especial with cartoons.
The 709 master (regular blu-ray) is compensated for that and graded so the colors are more saturated in the 709 space.

Playing a 2020 color space on a 709 monitor without any conversion will look extremely desaturated.

First one is in 709, second is 2020.
The 709 look good on your 709 monitor, but the 2020 looks desaturated.
The 2020 picture when viewed on a 2020 screen should look exactly the same as the 709 on a 709 screen.
Makes sense?

[scorpiontail60]

Screenshot comparison of 'The Martian' with the Blu-ray version:

[chuffster]

Are they correctly labelled?The BD version looks sharper https://someimage.com/Hr8riPC

https://someimage.com/Te0gkqn Or is it my eyes??

[pawel86ck]

James freeman@ thanks for explanation. Yes, your comparison with BT709 looks good on my monitor, while 2020 is washed out.

One way or another, on my monitor colors in bluray screenshots always looks washed out, maybe not like your bt2020 example, but close. I dont know what's the issue with colors on blurays, but colors in these UHD screenshots looks finally nice to me (they are so well saturated as your BT709 example).

[amoergosum]

Originally Posted by scorpiontail60

Screenshot comparison of 'The Martian' with the Blu-ray version:

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Blu-ray:



UHD: